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long travel wagon wheelers

May 11, 2018, 8:38 p.m.
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I demo'd the Evil Wreckoning. 29" 161mm rear travel. I was bored. The bike made everything too easy. I've been riding 29er hardtails since the late 90's and appreciate what they do for my ride but to have fun on them you need to get a geometry that allows really short chainstays. If you are into choosing a straight line through any tech section and going over everything like it isn't there then long travel 29 is the way to go. 27.5 is more fun to ride imo. The bike accelerates quickly and easily, feels more lively and is better in the tight technical terrain that I prefer. For shuttling whistler runs or flow trails the 29 is definitely a faster and more stable bike.

The one thing I will say that blew my mind was that the Wreckoning didn't even feel good until you were going over 20k/h. The faster you go the more stable it felt. It feels more like a motorcycle that you have to lean to turn rather than turning the handlebars - incredible ride! Just not the ride I'm looking for. BTW, I'm 6'2" and 220lbs and these were my impressions, I certainly would not recommend a long travel 29er for people 5'7" and under.

May 12, 2018, 2:19 p.m.
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Posted by: RAHrider

I demo'd the Evil Wreckoning. 29" 161mm rear travel. I was bored. The bike made everything too easy. I've been riding 29er hardtails since the late 90's and appreciate what they do for my ride but to have fun on them you need to get a geometry that allows really short chainstays. If you are into choosing a straight line through any tech section and going over everything like it isn't there then long travel 29 is the way to go. 27.5 is more fun to ride imo. The bike accelerates quickly and easily, feels more lively and is better in the tight technical terrain that I prefer. For shuttling whistler runs or flow trails the 29 is definitely a faster and more stable bike.

The one thing I will say that blew my mind was that the Wreckoning didn't even feel good until you were going over 20k/h. The faster you go the more stable it felt. It feels more like a motorcycle that you have to lean to turn rather than turning the handlebars - incredible ride! Just not the ride I'm looking for. BTW, I'm 6'2" and 220lbs and these were my impressions, I certainly would not recommend a long travel 29er for people 5'7" and under.

Agreed. That bike needs to be ridden super hard. Though if you're over 6'2" the slack seat tower can be problematic from a fit perspective.

May 13, 2018, 3:33 p.m.
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Posted by: GladePlayboy

Trek Fuel EX 9.8 overforked with a 150mm MRP Ribbon.  This is a sick whip!!

Nice.  I overforked my dads Fuel EX 9 29er from a few seasons back.  Replaced the 32 with a 34 10mm more travel.  Trek followed suit the next model year. 

I'm keen to try something other than the big fork companies.  Formula Selva is up near the top. Ribbon as well.

May 14, 2018, 3:40 a.m.
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Pole. Machine.

May 14, 2018, 5:54 a.m.
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Posted by: Endur-Bro

Posted by: GladePlayboy

Trek Fuel EX 9.8 overforked with a 150mm MRP Ribbon.  This is a sick whip!!

Nice.  I overforked my dads Fuel EX 9 29er from a few seasons back.  Replaced the 32 with a 34 10mm more travel.  Trek followed suit the next model year. 

I'm keen to try something other than the big fork companies.  Formula Selva is up near the top. Ribbon as well.

Ironically I also have the Formula Selva on my Rootdown BA.... awesome fork as well... very tuneable.

May 15, 2018, 2:07 p.m.
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Posted by: bmak

Anyone ridden the new Instinct?

I guess you mean BC edition since this is a long travel thread, but yeah I am riding the new A70 and I think it is a great value. As a super tall dude I wish it had more reach, but it's not bad with a 60mm stem and a bit of rise. I had a 2015 BC edition previously which was a great bike, the new bike is way nicer. Climbs better and more fun/agile than the old bike. I won't comment on the suspension since I went from XFusion -which was great for the price point- to Fox performance elite and of course it's way better in every aspect. 

2018 XL Instinct A70


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June 7, 2018, 9:12 a.m.
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Posted by: DemonMike

My plan is to get a more aggressive 29er down the road and lighten this one up.

Devinci is racing a 29" Spartan so they do have something in the works. Be interesting to see if they do a 29" Troy again .

The new EVO Stumpy in raw aluminum has peaked my interest as well . Not the most travel out there but a decent amount for what I ride and the geo looks really good as well.

And truthfully after riding a 170/167mm 26" and switching to a 150/120 29" I have pretty much crushed all my old PR,s up and down .

My Trusty Prime finally had it's last ride last month...it was an awesome bike. With the distributor being in the US the cost of a crash replacement is going to be around $1600...so I am starting to look at other options.

So I test rode a Django last night and loved it...it feels like it wants to go faster..and when you push it a bit it's a blast to ride. There is a new Spartan and Troy in the works...at least that's what the rumour I heard. 29er Troy (140 rear/150 front, a total redesign from the ground up) to come out at the end of this month and the 29er Spartan maybe end of year or early next! But...again, these are just rumours I have heard...so who knows if they are true or not.


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June 7, 2018, noon
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Posted by: pedalhound

the rumour I heard. 29er Troy (140 rear/150 front, a total redesign from the ground up) to come out at the end of this month ...so who knows if they are true or not.

Who? Where? c'mon...........

June 7, 2018, 12:25 p.m.
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Posted by: pedalhound

Posted by: DemonMike

My plan is to get a more aggressive 29er down the road and lighten this one up.

Devinci is racing a 29" Spartan so they do have something in the works. Be interesting to see if they do a 29" Troy again .

The new EVO Stumpy in raw aluminum has peaked my interest as well . Not the most travel out there but a decent amount for what I ride and the geo looks really good as well.

And truthfully after riding a 170/167mm 26" and switching to a 150/120 29" I have pretty much crushed all my old PR,s up and down .

My Trusty Prime finally had it's last ride last month...it was an awesome bike. With the distributor being in the US the cost of a crash replacement is going to be around $1600...so I am starting to look at other options.

So I test rode a Django last night and loved it...it feels like it wants to go faster..and when you push it a bit it's a blast to ride. There is a new Spartan and Troy in the works...at least that's what the rumour I heard. 29er Troy (140 rear/150 front, a total redesign from the ground up) to come out at the end of this month and the 29er Spartan maybe end of year or early next! But...again, these are just rumours I have heard...so who knows if they are true or not.

I have seen the Spartan online , It looks killer and fingers crossed they bring it out. Troy sounds cool , just not sure how much difference it would be than the way I have built my Django . Now that I did the Vorsprung up grades to my 36 and rear shock the bike is a whole new beast:)

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June 8, 2018, 8:30 a.m.
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My hope is that the XL has a longer ST than 500mm....that's too damn short for us tall people.

June 8, 2018, 10:56 a.m.
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Posted by: pedalhound

My hope is that the XL has a longer ST than 500mm....that's too damn short for us tall people.

Really? I've got a 36" inseam and was fine on a 495 with a 170mm dropper. My new bike is 480 with a 185. I did the math and it should work but damn that will be a lot post held in place by not a lot of frame. If this is the new normal we really ought to be moving to 34.9.

June 10, 2018, 7 a.m.
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While long droppers are great, they are not an answer to short seat tubes. With long

droppers

you put a ton of leverage on the frame, and a guy like me who is not only tall but bigger, that results in cracked frames.

Just look how much seat post is showing on my demo bike:


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June 10, 2018, 8:57 a.m.
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Devinci was supposed to release that Troy this time last year.

I love my Hightower. 135mm in the back running a DVO Jade, and I just ordered an MRP Ribbon coil 150 for the front. The bike can do no wrong. What I find surprising is how much better a 29er corners. That's where I find the difference really is between big wheels and those unrideable 27.5's ;)

June 10, 2018, 11:54 a.m.
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Posted by: Lowcard
 That's where I find the difference really is between big wheels and those unrideable 27.5's ;)

Hahaha. Shots fired. 

Craw and pedalhound are imo prime candidates for MOJO G16s, Nicolai G13/G15s or Pole EvoLink/Machine bikes. 

The seat post extension of that Devinci reminds myself of a bike from the mid-2000s.  Seated weight must be mid-CS for you.

June 10, 2018, 8:06 p.m.
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Posted by: Lowcard
What I find surprising is how much better a 29er corners. That's where I find the difference really is between big wheels and those unrideable 27.5's ;)

yeah the big wheels + a long wheelbase, the mo relaxed geometry , shit just seems to happen a lot slower and I don't fall off

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