Posted by: shoreboy
Are you going to be running it 27.5+ or 29er?
29 for the time being. I rode a 27.5+ demo from Caps in New West the other week, and it was a ton of fun. It led me to order some slaughter 27.5x3.0 for my Rootdown, so I'm keen on trying that out, I hope they fit. I have the 2014 Rootdown with 135 QR rear and a 2015 non boost Pike RCT3. The Specialized tires are supposed to run narrower than the Schwalbe on a 30mm rim (which is what I have), so I'm hopeful.
Did you ride it in the 29er form? I know its just numbers, and they dont always correlate to how a bike rides, but a 13.9" BB and super short rear centre make me wonder how it handles on the trails.
Posted by: shoreboy
Did you ride it in the 29er form? I know its just numbers, and they dont always correlate to how a bike rides, but a 13.9" BB and super short rear centre make me wonder how it handles on the trails.
Not sure what you mean.
Ride the Chromag in 29er form? Yes, for the past 3 years, I'll be trying it as + next. Ride the E29 in 29er, not yet, just received the bike and stripped it to have it wrapped. Ride the Stumpy in 29er, no, just 650+ and it was awesome.
My friend Kevin (Shore dude, owner of Contenders gym downtown) has been on the 2017 E29 Ohlins since April and he's been jonesing to try it in 27.5+, as he thinks that it has merit. I'll check in with him once he's set it up and report back.
Posted by: Bull_Dozer
Has anyone here tried both the old E29 and the new E29 (2017/2018)? I have a 2015 E29 (original Geo + offset bushing for an extra -0.5 deg HTA) and am curious how the newer one rides. Climb just as well as the old E29 but descend better? or is that too good to be true?
how do you find this bike for descending? there's a 2015 that's on my short list for a new bike right now.
Sorry, I guess that wasnt really clear was it. Let me try again.
The E29 is designed as a 27.5+/29 platform if im not mistaken. From the numbers, it looks like they had to compromise the 29er side of things to make it work with the 27.5+ variant. In 29er form, the BB is 13.9" (which is high by today's standards) and the rear centre (chainstay length) is quite short for a 29er. These numbers usually have a greater effect on the rider and the size of the frame (and rider) gets bigger Again, numbers dont always mean everything, it really just depends on how it rides which is the most important factor.
Posted by: shoreboy
Sorry, I guess that wasnt really clear was it. Let me try again.
The E29 is designed as a 27.5+/29 platform if im not mistaken. From the numbers, it looks like they had to compromise the 29er side of things to make it work with the 27.5+ variant. In 29er form, the BB is 13.9" (which is high by today's standards) and the rear centre (chainstay length) is quite short for a 29er. These numbers usually have a greater effect on the rider and the size of the frame (and rider) gets bigger Again, numbers dont always mean everything, it really just depends on how it rides which is the most important factor.
This has been addressed with the geometry flip chip in the 2018 model that is being sold as a $50 upgrade to the 2017 bikes. There is now a low setting which in 29" format brings the HTA to 65.5 and drops the BB to 13.1". I'm planning on ordering one when it becomes available.
Posted by: shoreboy
Sorry, I guess that wasnt really clear was it. Let me try again.
The E29 is designed as a 27.5+/29 platform if im not mistaken. From the numbers, it looks like they had to compromise the 29er side of things to make it work with the 27.5+ variant. In 29er form, the BB is 13.9" (which is high by today's standards) and the rear centre (chainstay length) is quite short for a 29er. These numbers usually have a greater effect on the rider and the size of the frame (and rider) gets bigger Again, numbers dont always mean everything, it really just depends on how it rides which is the most important factor.
Also, the Slash has a BB height of 13.86 in the high setting, so not far from the E29 at 13.90.
Posted by: rnayel
Posted by: shoreboy
Sorry, I guess that wasnt really clear was it. Let me try again.
The E29 is designed as a 27.5+/29 platform if im not mistaken. From the numbers, it looks like they had to compromise the 29er side of things to make it work with the 27.5+ variant. In 29er form, the BB is 13.9" (which is high by today's standards) and the rear centre (chainstay length) is quite short for a 29er. These numbers usually have a greater effect on the rider and the size of the frame (and rider) gets bigger Again, numbers dont always mean everything, it really just depends on how it rides which is the most important factor.
This has been addressed with the geometry flip chip in the 2018 model that is being sold as a $50 upgrade to the 2017 bikes. There is now a low setting which in 29" format brings the HTA to 65.5 and drops the BB to 13.1". I'm planning on ordering one when it becomes available.
Ah I just found the info on that. Looks like it will help a little bit yes. From what I read its 65.5 and BB to 13.5"
Yeah that looks right. New bikes are so much fun! Cant wait to get mine in my hands to start the same process...
The bottom bracket is very high on my 2014 E29 but in my view it helps me get over obstacles as much as it hurts by raising the center of gravity.
I think that it descends amazingly well for a bike I pedal up. I have my Banshee Legend to compare to and on a gnarly'ish Shore trail (something like Roach Clip) I'm faster, without doubt, on the E29 and use less energy. But in the really rough and steep stuff the Legend inspires more confidence....Im pretty sure that you guys are more comfortable on nasty stuff than I am (given that I'm 2yrs new to the Shore) but Ill do steeper and rougher stuff on the Legend than the E29, and with less hesistation. But it comes down to a triple and the HTA, I'm pretty sure that the rest favours the E29.
Posted by: shoreboy
So what happens when they get a request for a bike that they don't have a template for? Do they still do it with an increased cost? I planned on getting an invisiframe kit for my next bike, but if the price is similar to do it locally I might be interested.
I asked him what it would cost to wrap my YT Jeffsy and he said it's the same price for the frame, just that he needs it for longer as he would have to draw up the wrap template. I didn't end up going through with it... kind of wish I had as I have a few chips/rub marks... oh well.
Posted by: syncro
Posted by: Bull_Dozer
Has anyone here tried both the old E29 and the new E29 (2017/2018)? I have a 2015 E29 (original Geo + offset bushing for an extra -0.5 deg HTA) and am curious how the newer one rides. Climb just as well as the old E29 but descend better? or is that too good to be true?
how do you find this bike for descending? there's a 2015 that's on my short list for a new bike right now.
Descending - it is VERY capable. I would say that it is just short of a full-on DH bike. The 29er wheels really help... you don't have to be too careful picking a line because the bigger wheels just roll over everything. Before I bought it I tested a Nomad as well and I felt much more confident on the E29.
That being said, on certain trails I do feel like I could benefit from a slightly slacker head angle... but for 90% of the trails I ride it is totally fine.
^Yup.
Unless you're in a place that would benefit from a super slack head angle or DH level travel, its as good a descender as a DH bike but with a lot less effort (than my Banshee anyways).
rnayel - have you taken that puppy out yet? Cant wait to hear how the first ride goes!
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