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May 25, 2021, 3:33 a.m.
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Posted by: Endur-Bro

Posted by: velocipedestrian

Posted by: XXX_er

someone tell me what component from 15 yrs ago worked better ?

The 20mm axle.

This. 

Also QR20

Shimano brakes pre-servo wave?

May 25, 2021, 8:11 a.m.
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Posted by: Endur-Bro

Posted by: velocipedestrian

Posted by: XXX_er

someone tell me what component from 15 yrs ago worked better ?

The 20mm axle.

This. 

Also QR20

QR20 - really? I do miss 20mm axle. We never should have gone 15mm.

May 25, 2021, 9:05 a.m.
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i'm not sure if these were definitively better than the current crop of trail / dh clipless pedals, but for a product of that era, they'd probably still be viable today. the rotating spd bit allowed for a nice snug shoe to platform interface (that lots of the current non-articulated modern pedals lack), and like all shimano pedals, were bombproof. 

May 25, 2021, 9:25 a.m.
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Posted by: velocipedestrian

Shimano brakes pre-servo wave?

Servo wave has been around since the v-brake days

May 25, 2021, 10:17 a.m.
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So if you were riding a new bike and then a 15 -20 yr old bike you would totally notice the smooth crisp feel of a 20 mm axle ?

Is a 20mm axle big in the same way as  29" wheels, or a dropper seat post


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May 25, 2021, 11:11 a.m.
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Posted by: XXX_er

So if you were riding a new bike and then a 15 -20 yr old bike you would totally notice the smooth crisp feel of a 20 mm axle ?

Is a 20mm axle big in the same way as  29" wheels, or a dropper seat post

I can't recall ever thinking "dam, I would be so much faster if only I had a 20mm axle" ;<)

May 25, 2021, 11:26 a.m.
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Posted by: xy9ine

i'm not sure if these were definitively better than the current crop of trail / dh clipless pedals, but for a product of that era, they'd probably still be viable today. the rotating spd bit allowed for a nice snug shoe to platform interface (that lots of the current non-articulated modern pedals lack), and like all shimano pedals, were bombproof. 

I still use a pair of these to this day! They are starting to wear out now but still work!

May 25, 2021, 12:26 p.m.
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I think they ^^ were pretty heavy but SPD always work IME,

I got 3 pair in rotation some going back to the last century

where they are VERY  shitty is at around zero in snow ...swap in some flats

May 25, 2021, 2:36 p.m.
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Those pedals are legendary, I have a pair that I keep installing on bikes. 

Then I take em off when I find some modern XT’s, which are superior in every facet but durability.

May 25, 2021, 3:45 p.m.
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**Posted by: XXX_er

**where they are VERY shitty is at around zero in snow ...swap in some flats

I dunno, I used the same 10+ year old pair year round in Edmonton in -45, 8+ hours a day in the snow for 2 years straight with no real issues, a combination of walking and riding.

I also have them on multiple bikes that have been used year round in the snow in Van, Kelowna, Victoria, snow mountain biking, road riding, I've never had any problems at all. Sure you have to tap your cleats on your pedals to clear the snow but that's something you contend with on any clipless platform.


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May 25, 2021, 3:50 p.m.
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Posted by: skooks

Posted by: XXX_er

So if you were riding a new bike and then a 15 -20 yr old bike you would totally notice the smooth crisp feel of a 20 mm axle ?

Is a 20mm axle big in the same way as  29" wheels, or a dropper seat post

I can't recall ever thinking "dam, I would be so much faster if only I had a 20mm axle" ;<)

That's not the point. We had a widely-accepted super functional standard in 20mm that would have worked just fine for everyone but for some reason the XC people ostensibly needed their own standard and now there's a whole other thing that didn't carry forward i.e. if you had fancy hubs or whatever. It was one of many super unnecessary standard changes we could 100% have done without.

May 25, 2021, 5:28 p.m.
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Posted by: craw

QR20 - really? I do miss 20mm axle. We never should have gone 15mm.

Thats just it. 

160mm 26" Lyric = Maxle 20, 160mm 26" 36 = QR20 (or whatever FAUX called it, 3 QR system) 

I have two 29er 36 Factory forks; 1 RC2 150mm with 15/20 Pinch bolt system and a Grip2 170mm with a 15mm Kabolt LOL

Pretty funny that the SC 160-180mm forks of today are running smaller axles than a decade ago.  And what people are riding on these forks is flat out insane!

May 25, 2021, 6:26 p.m.
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Maybe 38 forks became big for exactly that reason, 15mm axle. 

I remember revalation with 20mm axle was much less of a noodle then the other 32 forks.

May 25, 2021, 6:46 p.m.
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YMMV but I experinace atempting to clip inot a lump of ice

Posted by: thaaad

**Posted by: XXX_er

**where they are VERY shitty is at around zero in snow ...swap in some flats

I dunno, I used the same 10+ year old pair year round in Edmonton in -45, 8+ hours a day in the snow for 2 years straight with no real issues, a combination of walking and riding.

I also have them on multiple bikes that have been used year round in the snow in Van, Kelowna, Victoria, snow mountain biking, road riding, I've never had any problems at all. Sure you have to tap your cleats on your pedals to clear the snow but that's something you contend with on any clipless platform.

at around zero in PG I was constantly atempting to clip into a lump of ice, while the guy with crank brothers was doing ok, any body with flats was fine

I am a pretty big SPD fanboi so I think it was a matter of it being the exact wrong temp for SPD's

May 25, 2021, 8:36 p.m.
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Posted by: XXX_er

at around zero in PG I was constantly atempting to clip into a lump of ice, while the guy with crank brothers was doing ok, any body with flats was fine

I am a pretty big SPD fanboi so I think it was a matter of it being the exact wrong temp for SPD's

For sure, I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything so sorry if I came across that way I just had quite a different experience I guessa anecdotal experience and all that :)


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