Posted by: andy-eunson
Every time I see this thread resurrected I think some donkey is wanting Smoke and Dart or Velciraptors made with recycled hockey pucks.
The new Contis do look good though. Shame about the tire names though.
you can get the $$ selling those things on FB if you call them vintage parts
Me I'm just gona keep running Maxxis
Posted by: andy-eunson
The new Contis do look good though. Shame about the tire names though.
That's the other drawback. They had those teutonic sounding names, quite fitting. And now they let a pharmaceutical salesman chose the names.
Posted by: XXX_er
Me I'm just gona keep running Maxxis
As long as I can keep getting Maxxis for ~$60-70CAD a pop from ze German online sites I just can't imagine trying anything else. Like many others, loving the Assegai MaxxGrip front and DHR II MaxxTerra rear, in DD casing.
Just pulled off a pair of 29" Vittoria tires. 2.35 Martello and 2.4 Mazza.
Vittoria Martello in Trail casing. Weighed it at 960g slightly worn. Casing same thickness and feel as Maxxis Exo, with an extra strip along bead like the Exo+. Calipered at 2.35 casing, 2.3 tread, 30mm i.d rims.
Ran it for four months, wear was good. Center knobs well sanded down, but side knobs holding up great. Blew a few good holes through the top of the tire, but sidewalls held up fine. 25-26psi, 190lb.
Nice profile, feels great leaned over. Knob layout more on the faster rolling/less braking bite end of the spectrum. Rear only tread design I'd say. If rear side knobs were spaced out a bit further like a DHR it could be lighter.
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Vittoria Mazza, same Trail casing.
Four months of use too, hardly any wear which is impressive. Ran it at 22psi always. 990g. 2.45 casing, 2.38 tread.
This is a great tire. Really nice profile, feels even better to lean lean over than a DHF imo. When running those 2 tires back to back, DHF felt like it had a slight vague spot when leaning it over that the Mazza did not. Seems like the channel between top and side knobs might be narrower on Mazza.
A real contender to the Minion DHF in my experience. Mazza, DHF and the Magic Mary are the only tires I've ever run that I would give a perfect score to.
Posted by: Hepcat
Just pulled off a pair of 29" Vittoria tires. 2.35 Martello and 2.4 Mazza.
Vittoria Martello in Trail casing. Weighed it at 960g slightly worn. Casing same thickness and feel as Maxxis Exo, with an extra strip along bead like the Exo+. Calipered at 2.35 casing, 2.3 tread, 30mm i.d rims.
Ran it for four months, wear was good. Center knobs well sanded down, but side knobs holding up great. Blew a few good holes through the top of the tire, but sidewalls held up fine. 25-26psi, 190lb.
Nice profile, feels great leaned over. Knob layout more on the faster rolling/less braking bite end of the spectrum. Rear only tread design I'd say. If rear side knobs were spaced out a bit further like a DHR it could be lighter.
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Vittoria Mazza, same Trail casing.
Four months of use too, hardly any wear which is impressive. Ran it at 22psi always. 990g. 2.45 casing, 2.38 tread.
This is a great tire. Really nice profile, feels even better to lean lean over than a DHF imo. When running those 2 tires back to back, DHF felt like it had a slight vague spot when leaning it over that the Mazza did not. Seems like the channel between top and side knobs might be narrower on Mazza.
A real contender to the Minion DHF in my experience. Mazza, DHF and the Magic Mary are the only tires I've ever run that I would give a perfect score to.
Sounds pretty good. How are they on wet roots etc.?
Not sure really? Sorry. Just a non-local punter now and never was good at judging root grip beyond soft compound=better grab. Besides Gazzalodi haha, I remember those being slippery.
I had only a couple of weeks of winter riding in Vancouver on these tires, rest of time was tropical winter riding in Hawaii. Wet roots here are completely ridiculous and nothing helps stick to them at all. Whenever I'm back home in Vancouver I'm surprised at how relatively "grippy" the slippery wet roots are lol.
For what it's worth I did a few wet Seymour laps of Dale's/Pingu, etc. on this setup. Front Mazza slipped on the roots same as a DHF 3C would if I recall, rear Martello did some extra sliding on everything but rock.
For the rear I'd rather go with a Maxxis Aggressor for that same low knob design style, or a DHR for better grip/bit more drag everywhere. DHR is probably what I'll replace it with.
For the front I'll probably pick up another Mazza, worth some more time on in different locations.
Posted by: Hepcat
Front Mazza slipped on the roots same as a DHF 3C would if I recall
DHF 3C comes in Maxxterra and Maxxgrip, the latter grips noticeably better on wet roots here on the Shore, so I'd be curious to know which of the two the Mazza resembles most.
On the other hand, from a quick search the internet price for Vittoria tires doesn't seem much lower than Maxxis.
Yeah, no when you poke it with your fingernail the 4C Vittoria compound feels similar to Maxxterra. The four durometers aren't listed anywhere that I've seen, but it's definitely not of the gooey slow rolling variety.
Maybe they'll come up with a softer, tackier, lower rebound compound in the future but this isn't it.
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Posted by: Hepcat
Vittoria Mazza, same Trail casing.
Sounds pretty good. How are they on wet roots etc.?
One of my riding crew ran them. They're more a fast rolling compound than all-out grip. He went back to Minions for winter, but once things dry out he's a fan.
Hahahahahaha
Posted by: tashi
Posted by: andy-eunson
Every time I see this thread resurrected I think some donkey is wanting Smoke and Dart or Velciraptors made with recycled hockey pucks.
The new Contis do look good though. Shame about the tire names though.
Hey now, I’m not looking for a Smoke/Dart combo (you can just get those new) but if you have some original skinwall Ground Controls kicking around I’ll take em - bonus points for Umma Gumma rubber!
While you're looking for a rubber unicorn, find me a Yellow Kirin.
Posted by: tashi
Dang, like the look of the supported side knobs/little block combo. Like a Small Block 8 with some side bite.
Yup, it was a great tyre. Just waiting for the design to come around again.
Posted by: tashi
that tread pattern with a modern big casing (maybe a 2.6 even) would be pretty darn nice.
The 2.3 is the same casing size as a 2.35 Magic Mary. A 2.6 would be enormous.
Posted by: Timer
Posted by: tashi
that tread pattern with a modern big casing (maybe a 2.6 even) would be pretty darn nice.
You mean like this one?
Schwalbe Wicked Will (can be had in 2.6)
Ooh!
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