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how bout a good ol fashioned tire thread

Jan. 9, 2021, 10:56 p.m.
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I'm considering stocking up a pile of the recently discontinued, still-on-a-couple-websites DHRII 26x2.8. Except one thing: I'm light and more cautious than aggressive, and these tires possess the only sidewall I've ever cut open.

In article comments, Andrew Major suggested the Dirt Wizard 26x3.0. It looks good, but it's also 380g heavier than the Minion+. Enough to second guess that idea (though I appreciated the suggestion). It's for the rear wheel of a mini mullet RM Altitude which I would like to keep playful.

Is that really all the big 26" tires?

I do know of the 2.6" Magic Mary but haven't really taken that thought seriously because it only comes in purple compound.

Jan. 10, 2021, 9:42 a.m.
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Posted by: cheapondirt

I'm considering stocking up a pile of the recently discontinued, still-on-a-couple-websites DHRII 26x2.8. Except one thing: I'm light and more cautious than aggressive, and these tires possess the only sidewall I've ever cut open.

In article comments, Andrew Major suggested the Dirt Wizard 26x3.0. It looks good, but it's also 380g heavier than the Minion+. Enough to second guess that idea (though I appreciated the suggestion). It's for the rear wheel of a mini mullet RM Altitude which I would like to keep playful.

Is that really all the big 26" tires?

I do know of the 2.6" Magic Mary but haven't really taken that thought seriously because it only comes in purple compound.

I think the 26x2.75 Dirt Wizards I've got use a crazy hard compound.  Even at low-ish pressures (maybe 12-15psi? I forget) they are incredibly sketchy on wet rock at low speeds.  The 2.75s have been discontinued (and I missed them going on sale for US$35ea, DAMNIT!) but the 3.0s are still available.  I wouldn't be surprised if the 3.0 DWs are significantly larger than the 2.8 DHRIIs.  Surly has a nice geometry chart for their tires, but strangely, it doesn't include the 26x3.0 even though it's right there in the filename.  You can maybe at least check to see how much bigger the 2.75 DWs are than 2.8 DHRIIs.

https://surlybikes.com/uploads/downloads/_27719_SUR_Dirt_Wizard_26x3.0_Tire_Geo_VF_.pdf

I grabbed a pair of fast/light WTB Ranger 26x3.0s (which I think are actually closer to 2.8s) when they were discontinued and getting blown out for US$30ea.  It looks like the 26x2.8s are now discontinued, but I'm not seeing great deals on remaining stock anywhere yet.  I haven't actually mounted/ridden them (they're waiting in the wings for when my Dirt Wizards need replacement)  They've got micro knobs compared to the DWs though.

I'm trying to imagine the rolling resistance of 2.6 Magic Marys with Super Gravity casing and purple people eater rubber.  It might save you from ever having to buy brake pads again.

Looks like 26+ was a super-flash-in-the-pan.  I was hoping the fat bikers would buy enough of them as an option to make their bikes "sportier" to keep them alive, but I guess they are more likely to run 27.5+ or 29 wheels/tires rather than swapping a plus tire onto their fat rims...

Jan. 10, 2021, 4:07 p.m.
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That lines up with what I've heard about DW's being very durable. Paul Aston measured the 27x3.0 at 2.65 (casing) and 2.9 (tread) on a 40mm rim, so if the 26" version is similar it would indeed be bigger than the Maxxis. Mine are about 2.6 on both the casing and tread, though on an i32 rim.

Oh yes I did look at the Ranger but it hardly seems suitable for hard riding.  I said I wasn't aggressive, but that's in our freeride-enduro-BC context. I'm still going to be pushing harder through corners than your average bikepacker.

I guess it is what it is. I should probably just get one or two more DHRII+, keep carrying a tube, and be ready for a 27.5 wheel purchase some day soon. At least my frame is ready for that! It's kind of nice to hear I'm not the only weirdo disappointed by 26+ dying.

Jan. 21, 2021, 4:31 p.m.
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Joined: Feb. 24, 2017

I now have 340km on the Verdict Judge combo. The grip is amazing in the wet and loose!!! The Verdict is sketchy AF on our greasy island rock. There is always trade offs and that was to be expected. The Assguy is about as good as it gets on island rock, imo.

I have to say I am disappointed in the carcass of the Judge Heavy Duty High Grip. It would randomly weep sealant around the bead. Not pressure related, 23psi. I ran 22PSI with DHRII DD.. I managed to wreck two of them with punctures and cuts. I have a Verdict Light High Grip on the front of and its been rock solid at 19psi. No weeping, no cuts no damage. I have Vigilante 2.6 Light High Grip front and back on my hardtail and theyhave been solid with only 100km. I do not hold back on my hardtail. 

I am now switching back to and Assguy DHRII combo.

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