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ebikes on the Shore

March 22, 2021, 11:19 a.m.
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Posted by: skooks

Posted by: KenN

Posted by: thaaad

It's not about being friends... and it's less of an acknowledgment thing and more of a mutual respect thing. Basically the reason why turn signals and brake lights exist in cars, make people aware of what others (and yourself) are doing for the safety and consideration of everyone when you are in public.

I'm sure nobody appreciates being passed too close at too high of a speed on the highway. Just have some courtesy, let people know you are passing, slow as you go by and give both of you a little room.

It's really not hard at all to treat others with respect, ebikes, cars, sidewalks, whatever.

This ... and it also applies to ebikes tailgating me when I'm huffing my way up something like the GSM climb.  My goal is to be able to clean that climb regularly without stopping, and I don't need some dumbass with their high pitched motor whining away, nipping at my back wheel as a not-so-subtle hint that they want me to stop and let them pass.  Trust me, I know you're there, and if I spot a wide part of the trail where you can fit, than I will hug the edge and let you pass.  Until then, stay the hell back and wait your turn.  It's similar to the logic for the "climber has right of way" rule when passing on a bi-directional trail.  Climber gets to continue because it's much harder for the climber to stop, reset and restart than the descender.  The ebike can stop and restart more easily than the non-e-climber.

I mostly agree with you, although I would rather let an e-bike get past me than have listen to one whining behind my back wheel. My question is are you more willing to stop and let a faster rider pass you on a climb if they are on a pedal-powered bike instead of a motorized one?  I'm not trying to stir the pot here, just interested in the answer.

I think any rider that come up behind another rider should stay back a little and wait for a reasonable opportunity (and not put pressure on the lead climber by hugging the back wheel) where the trail is wider and a little more level.

That in mind, I know I'm nowhere near the fastest climber on the hill, but I climb well enough that there aren't a LOT of non-motorized riders crowding up behind me.  So my experience is by far the ebikes climbing up my ass.

And, even when a faster climber does catch me, the deltaV isn't nearly as much with the ebiker.  So my climbing isn't slowing down the non-moto by a lot (unless it's some World Cup level XC or Enduro racer!).  The ebiker comes up fast, hugs my back wheel and stays there, essentially making the silent "get outta my way" statement.

So bottom line, I don't feel I should give way to any climber, I ride so as to be aware of when I can move to the side to let a faster climber pass, and my experience with being pressured to allow a pass is massively tilted toward the ebikers.

March 22, 2021, 3:04 p.m.
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Posted by: KenN

I think any rider that come up behind another rider should stay back a little and wait for a reasonable opportunity (and not put pressure on the lead climber by hugging the back wheel) where the trail is wider and a little more level.

That in mind, I know I'm nowhere near the fastest climber on the hill, but I climb well enough that there aren't a LOT of non-motorized riders crowding up behind me.  So my experience is by far the ebikes climbing up my ass.

And, even when a faster climber does catch me, the deltaV isn't nearly as much with the ebiker.  So my climbing isn't slowing down the non-moto by a lot (unless it's some World Cup level XC or Enduro racer!).  The ebiker comes up fast, hugs my back wheel and stays there, essentially making the silent "get outta my way" statement.

So bottom line, I don't feel I should give way to any climber, I ride so as to be aware of when I can move to the side to let a faster climber pass, and my experience with being pressured to allow a pass is massively tilted toward the ebikers.

This is exactly how it's gone for me, in my experiences riding the shore and running into ebikes. Never really an issue when climbing fire road or double-track, but it's single track climbs where it gets bad. 

For the record, I'll literally jump right out the way, trying not to break an Uber-climber's cadence, because they've earned the ability to climb that fast. Not at all the same for an E-Man (or lady), but I'll certainly let them by when it's convenient.

March 23, 2021, 3:48 p.m.
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That sad moment when you let someone pass on the climb trail and then look down to see that they are NOT on an e-bike but are moving at twice your speed.

March 23, 2021, 6:29 p.m.
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Posted by: meloroast

Haha if I had a dollar for every time I was passed climbing and thought "wtf he's fast...oh well he must be on an e-... jeezus h!"

I was so tired of the guys on lighter bikes passing me, I bought one.  But they got lighter bikes too. FML.

March 23, 2021, 8:54 p.m.
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Posted by: heckler

Posted by: meloroast

Haha if I had a dollar for every time I was passed climbing and thought "wtf he's fast...oh well he must be on an e-... jeezus h!"

I was so tired of the guys on lighter bikes passing me, I bought one.  But they got lighter bikes too. FML.

yeah damn those all carbon eMTB's ridden by fast and fit riders....

March 24, 2021, 7:50 a.m.
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Posted by: Zowsch

That sad moment when you let someone pass on the climb trail and then look down to see that they are NOT on an e-bike but are moving at twice your speed.

Just remember there's someone out there who makes that guy feel sad about his fitness too. There's always a bigger fish.

March 24, 2021, 11:05 a.m.
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Posted by: craw

Posted by: Zowsch

That sad moment when you let someone pass on the climb trail and then look down to see that they are NOT on an e-bike but are moving at twice your speed.

Just remember there's someone out there who makes that guy feel sad about his fitness too. There's always a bigger fish.

I will laugh if  ever see Lance Armstrong on an ebike

March 24, 2021, 12:35 p.m.
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For 6500 Euros you can rock an American Chopper ebike on the shore.

https://pjdelectric.com/pre-order/ols/products/pjd-e-pre-order-deposit

March 24, 2021, 3:51 p.m.
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Posted by: switch

For 6500 Euros you can rock an American Chopper ebike on the shore.

https://pjdelectric.com/pre-order/ols/products/pjd-e-pre-order-deposit

That's got some style. If you're less interested in dignity check out Tony Ellsworth's new ebike monstrosity. The aesthetics don't disappoint.

https://theridebikes.com/

https://electrek.co/2020/10/15/tony-ellsworth-launches-fancy-new-belt-drive-carbon-frame-e-bike/

March 24, 2021, 9:11 p.m.
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Joined: May 11, 2018

This is 16000 CAD starting

While this is $9500 CAD starting

Pinkbike is singing the praises of the new 16000 dollar ebike. Who wants simulated bicycling that badly? $16000? That's insane.


 Last edited by: RAHrider on March 24, 2021, 9:51 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
March 24, 2021, 10:11 p.m.
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$19,400 for this bad boy. a bit disappointed they didn't just go for the gusto & punch through that $20k barrier.

but yeah, you can buy some really nice motos for that price. it boggles *my* frugal mind, but evidently there's a market for such things, so more power to them, i guess?


 Last edited by: xy9ine on March 24, 2021, 10:11 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
March 25, 2021, 4:14 a.m.
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All Specialized bikes are very overpriced, but that is pretty crazy.

March 25, 2021, 3:07 p.m.
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Posted by: RAHrider

This is 16000 CAD starting

While this is $9500 CAD starting

Pinkbike is singing the praises of the new 16000 dollar ebike. Who wants simulated bicycling that badly? $16000? That's insane.

Or better yet

https://www.ktm.com/en-ca/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2021.html $13999 CAD and it's electric.

That Specialized is actually the first ebike that sort of ticks all the boxes but that price is astonishing. Especially considering it's a very corporate one-size-fits-most sort of thing as far as spec.


 Last edited by: craw on March 25, 2021, 3:07 p.m., edited 1 time in total.
March 25, 2021, 4:40 p.m.
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Fear not! E-bikes are NOT PST exempt. 

$15000USD = ~$18900CAD x 1.12 = $21,170CAD

Wow. Just wow.

March 25, 2021, 6:26 p.m.
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dirt·bag

/ˈdərtbaɡ/

nounderogatory•informal

noun: dirtbag; plural noun: dirtbags; noun: dirt-bag; plural noun: dirt-bags

a very unkempt or unpleasant person.

Well, considering how judgemental and unpleasant a lot of people in the MTB community seem to be I would say it still might be a dirtbag sport.

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