Posted by: Endurimil
Posted by: Jonathan
Bike lanes should be designed for my six year old grandson.to ride on.
"But we did something. See we care.' say the politicians.
Yes & ugh, yes.
Posted by: Endurimil
Posted by: Jonathan
Bike lanes should be designed for my six year old grandson.to ride on.
"But we did something. See we care.' say the politicians.
Yes & ugh, yes.
I agree with this sentiment. “Accidents” between cars and people don’t have appropriate consequences. Even the way vehicle/bike or pedestrian accidents are reported and talked about is skewed. Cyclists and walkers aren’t hit by cars, they’re hit by drivers. What’s the functional difference between killing someone with a car or gun? Just because our culture is car-dependent doesn’t exempt drivers from responsibility. I argue this every time I see it. And it’s common all over the US to see “car hits cyclist” headlines and then read that “no criminality is suspected.” Why the F not?
That was meant to be a reply to Ziggy’s post. Not sure why threading doesn’t happen on previous posts.
A Lack of Focus:
Reading this article made me think about how annoying it would be if the only hub that would fit on my bike was a 3 pawl DT 370s (insert Formula, SunRingle or similar at your own discretion). You’d get to be on a first name basis with your bike shop warranty person, swear, cry, and probably get used to riding in hiking shoes due to being stranded so often. I guess Cannondale owners do this to themselves all the time, although I’ve often wondered if people buy Lefty’s just to stare at them in their garages.
At least there’s Consumer Reports for cars to combat all the proprietary nonsenses. Maybe there isn’t the sales volume in the bike world to support those kind of statistics, though it would be very interesting to know which models and brands were problematic. Like if in 2011 someone could have said, “Oh is that a first gen Reverb? You’re going to want to keep a rigid post in your CamelBak.” In the meantime, I’ll keep running the bicycle hub destruction support group.
Andrew: Condolences on the car issue. It’s crazy to think about having 1.5 to 3 bicycle cost units tied up in an immovable object!
Posted by: T0m
I agree with this sentiment. “Accidents” between cars and people don’t have appropriate consequences. Even the way vehicle/bike or pedestrian accidents are reported and talked about is skewed. Cyclists and walkers aren’t hit by cars, they’re hit by drivers. What’s the functional difference between killing someone with a car or gun? Just because our culture is car-dependent doesn’t exempt drivers from responsibility. I argue this every time I see it. And it’s common all over the US to see “car hits cyclist” headlines and then read that “no criminality is suspected.” Why the F not?
Yes. This is people doing things to people. I feel like a dehumanization happens when we say “car” hit “cyclist”. One thing no one escapes ( I believe) is the cost to your soul for killing or injuring someone. When I get behind the wheel I often say to myself “with great power comes great responsibility”. I try to remember all life is precious and drive accordingly. I am very interested to hear what others that follow this forum think/ do in their approach to driving safety.
TT: which brake mount “standard” is the worst?
I think threaded barrel nuts solve the biggest issue with post mount brakes that was noted - I wonder why they’re not more common? Ideally, bike shops would measure and return borked frames and forks instead of selling them, but I appreciate the ingenuity described in this article to make things work.
I’ve gotta say that I was inappropriately happy when I got to bolt a 203 Avid IS adapter to my fork. It must have been in my parts bin since 2006.
I'm curious about the stripped threads in post mount forks requiring new lowers... i would've figured drilling it out and putting a helicoil in would do, but maybe thats too hack for a shop to do on a customers bike? Or too much effort for what its worth? Not enough surrounding material?
Posted by: silverbansheebike
I'm curious about the stripped threads in post mount forks requiring new lowers... i would've figured drilling it out and putting a helicoil in would do, but maybe thats too hack for a shop to do on a customers bike? Or too much effort for what its worth? Not enough surrounding material?
I’ve seen it done but it’s a hack move in this case. The post wall is very thin and it’s magnesium so the integrity with a helicoil is questionable at best. I wouldn’t do it on my own bike or a customers or service a fork that had it done.
Posted by: Blofeld
TT: which brake mount “standard” is the worst?
I think threaded barrel nuts solve the biggest issue with post mount brakes that was noted - I wonder why they’re not more common? Ideally, bike shops would measure and return borked frames and forks instead of selling them, but I appreciate the ingenuity described in this article to make things work.
I’ve gotta say that I was inappropriately happy when I got to bolt a 203 Avid IS adapter to my fork. It must have been in my parts bin since 2006.
Threaded barrel nuts in post mount are like the best internal cable routing systems. They’re at best as good as good external routing at a significant higher cost to implement.
So yeah, agree it’s a great system but why not just go IS? That’s of course talking high-end rigs with top QC/QA. Threaded barrels don’t solve spacing or alignment issues the way you can with an IS to PM adapter.
203mm labelled as front IS:PM is a rare beast! Thankfully NSB and Hope are both still making 183mm rear that’s the same|same.
Posted by: AndrewMajor
Threaded barrel nuts in post mount are like the best internal cable routing systems. They’re at best as good as good external routing at a significant higher cost to implement.
So yeah, agree it’s a great system but why not just go IS? That’s of course talking high-end rigs with top QC/QA. Threaded barrels don’t solve spacing or alignment issues the way you can with an IS to PM adapter.
The differing front/rear specs is one of the biggest issues I have with the existing standards. I do see the post mount as a simpler and stronger design, but agree that in practice there are drawbacks compared to IS.
Ideally, I’d have radial post mounts with min 200F / 180R rotors and barrel nuts. Adapters would be free, and it’s inherently the same system front and rear.
Posted by: Ziggy
I think the elephant in the room when it comes to how do we do cycling safe infrastructure is the culture we have built around the act of driving motor vehicles. Where I live in coastal California the very progressive minded city bureaucracy has implemented all kinds of infrastructure. They have stated that their goal is to make this a safe place to cycle and do something about carbon by using this infrastructure to not only promote cycling but make driving less attractive. Sounds good right? Enter the law of unintended consequences. Over the last few years accidents are up. Most involved the places where new infrastructure intersected old infrastructure. I have written to my local government about this and have mostly been met with a line of response of “ we know this is all new and it’ll just take time for everybody to get use to it.” Apparently we are just suppose to accept the death and injuries as the price to be paid for progress. What I notice day to day cycling and driving is an increased level of confusion and frustration that I know must be a contributing factor.
My point is that infrastructure matters but not nearly as much as what’s going on with people when they are driving. We don’t take it seriously, we are distracted, we are poorly trained and there are almost no consequences for fucking up and killing people. What we think of as accidents are not accidents but failures of responsibility and should be judged and punished accordingly. When someone accidentally shoots someone with a gun we often charge them with a felony.
Ultimately, infrastructure can only play a minor and supporting role in safe and sane transportation. We need to change our hearts and minds. We need to develope a culture of cooperation. We need to always know that encased in these fragile meat sacks is a precious soul. We need to model good behavior and judgement particularly to our children. Road rage should have no place on the roads.
Peace and love to all
I hate some of the wording that all levels a cyclist after getting maimed by a car is used. All levels including...politicians, medical community, medical insurance providers, police, and so on. How the fuck is it an accident when the driver maims the cyclist by taking them out from behind? Fortunately that has at least in a small part started to change as some I deal with no longer use the word accident.
Reality as have observed since was hit over the last three years is that when we call a cyclist being maimed by a driver as a "accident" makes it so easy to dismiss the serious physical and mental trauma this will cause. It makes it incredibly easy to make the injuries seem minor. And as have experienced medically made it so easy to be dismissive of long term effects of of these incidents. Basically further harming those who survive an incident with a vehicle.
Also when we use accident to describe these incidents when we call it an accident it makes it so easy to not look closer at the drivers choices that led to the cyclist being maimed or killed.
Posted by: Ziggy
Posted by: T0m
I agree with this sentiment. “Accidents” between cars and people don’t have appropriate consequences. Even the way vehicle/bike or pedestrian accidents are reported and talked about is skewed. Cyclists and walkers aren’t hit by cars, they’re hit by drivers. What’s the functional difference between killing someone with a car or gun? Just because our culture is car-dependent doesn’t exempt drivers from responsibility. I argue this every time I see it. And it’s common all over the US to see “car hits cyclist” headlines and then read that “no criminality is suspected.” Why the F not?
Yes. This is people doing things to people. I feel like a dehumanization happens when we say “car” hit “cyclist”. One thing no one escapes ( I believe) is the cost to your soul for killing or injuring someone. When I get behind the wheel I often say to myself “with great power comes great responsibility”. I try to remember all life is precious and drive accordingly. I am very interested to hear what others that follow this forum think/ do in their approach to driving safety.
As I said recently elsewhere about the BS car hit cyclist. No the car didn't hit the cyclist. The driver willfully hit the cyclist with the car. If there was no driver the car would have sat there not moving and the cyclist wouldn't have been maimed or killed.
Posted by: T0m
I agree with this sentiment. “Accidents” between cars and people don’t have appropriate consequences. Even the way vehicle/bike or pedestrian accidents are reported and talked about is skewed. Cyclists and walkers aren’t hit by cars, they’re hit by drivers. What’s the functional difference between killing someone with a car or gun? Just because our culture is car-dependent doesn’t exempt drivers from responsibility. I argue this every time I see it. And it’s common all over the US to see “car hits cyclist” headlines and then read that “no criminality is suspected.” Why the F not?
Choice of weapon is the difference and Canadian government has deemed one is not ok to use while the other to date has been deemed acceptable.
"This isn't very hard Papa."
I love it, give it a couple minutes kiddo lol. The amount of people who I've heard say something very similar rolling out of Old Buck parking lot only to be sweating and breathing hard 5 minutes later...
This is in response to Endurimil’s posts.
I can tell from this and previous posts you’ve gone through hell and back. You experienced first hand the lack of empathy and dehumanization that happens in our dysfunctional car culture. Here you are a living breathing unique person with a lot to offer others. I was really moved by your post about helping your friend out with mountain biking. These bureaucrats and law makers really need to spend some time hearing your story and reflect deeply on the decisions they are making that enable the carnage to continue. For what little it’s worth my heart goes out to you and I wish you continued healing.
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