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Sept. 26, 2023, 8:44 a.m.
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Posted by: Vikb

In terms of trail access where I live I don't see ebikes getting trails closed per say, but I certainly could see some trails getting set aside exclusively for walkers/runners/dogs. 

With increasing volumes of all types of trail users it seems to make good sense to start designating trails for a particular type of use, whether it be hiking, mtb'ing, ebiking, or directional use.

Sept. 26, 2023, 10:01 a.m.
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Posted by: fartymarty

I find a similar thing with e cars - it's like the drivers don't think it will hurt if they hit you because their car is electric... as a result they drive like assholes.... or maybe it's more about the "entitled" nature of the drivers.

Or is it that you simply don’t hear them coming?

Different type of engine same shitty human.

Sept. 26, 2023, 10:08 a.m.
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A min max type question that recently came to mind. I know that certain Shimano hydraulic brake levers work with Magura calipers. Out of curiosity what others have cross compatibility.

Was thinking this while helping a friend with their Tektro hydraulic disc brakes.

Sept. 26, 2023, 11:59 a.m.
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Posted by: tashi

Posted by: AndrewMajor

The fact that mountain biking was also a human-powered-only activity was the dam.

To us it was the dam.

To hikers who feared motos taking over  it was clear that the dam was inadequate.

Which it seems they may have been right about.

“The industry” may need to wake up to this threat (to their bottom line) at some point.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. 

We see it as human powered versus electric.  They see it as bike vs no bike.

Sept. 26, 2023, 12:39 p.m.
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Where do you go to get a bike frame painted now?

Toxic Harold still in open?

Sept. 26, 2023, 1:31 p.m.
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Posted by: Kenny

We see it as human powered versus electric.  They see it as bike vs no bike.

I'm spending more time on my local trails on foot. While there seems like a clear difference to me between mountain bike and e-bike in terms of hiker/runner interactions I'm educated in the distinctions. There are issues with mountain bikes and people on foot, but it's at a manageable level since very few mountain bikers can consistently achieve Olympic level power output. E-bikes tip that over to a level of problematic that needs some attention beyond just posting right of way/courtesy signs at the trailhead. So while I would prefer the distinction be human powered vs. motors for changing trail access I can understand/sympathize with it being foot vs. wheels.

Of course bike companies aren't helping by making mountain bikes and ebikes almost indistinguishable. There are no Trail Cops who are going to carefully inspect each machine for specification prior to riding a trail. So it does become more practical to just eliminate wheels on some trails if you want to solve the problem.

Sept. 26, 2023, 2:14 p.m.
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Posted by: taprider

Where do you go to get a bike frame painted now?

Toxic Harold still in open?

I heard he had to retire due to health problems? Fresh Paints in Whistler seem to be the go to guys now.

Sept. 26, 2023, 2:45 p.m.
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**Posted by: cooperquinn

**I'm honestly less concerned about e-bikes creating access challenges than the explosion in mountain biking as a whole, and just people generally being narcissistic, entitled..... nevermind.

Mmmmmhmmmmmm, hard to stay passionate about advocacy in the current environment

Sept. 26, 2023, 3:59 p.m.
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Posted by: grambo

Posted by: taprider

Where do you go to get a bike frame painted now?

Toxic Harold still in open?

I heard he had to retire due to health problems? Fresh Paints in Whistler seem to be the go to guys now.

Aw bummer. I was on the website and the shop seemed open - set up in Richmond. 

Was planning on dropping off a frame for walnut shell blast...

Sept. 26, 2023, 4:04 p.m.
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Posted by: fartymarty

Posted by: AndrewMajor

I have been 4-way-stop double-tapped in my car and on my bike so many times lately.

Writing a little piece about it but just a bit behind at the moment.

4-way-stop double-tapped?

The car whose turn it is goes and, knowing everyone else is stopped waiting, the car immediately behind them goes too, right on their bumper (jumps the queue).

The first many times this happened to me it was Teslas and I wondered if maybe it was a ‘feature’ of some self driving mode. But the lady who did it to me yesterday morning (also in a Tesla) had a look of determination that can only be described as “I’M GETTIN’ MINE MUTHA F**KERS!”

No 4-way stop cams or enforcement, so it’s just another example of the gradual erosion of the honour system/decent human behaviour.

Not saying no one queue jumped or ran stop signs in the past, but it’s been happening a lot lately - in my car, on my bike, on foot.

"Everything serious is always [Full Suspension]" - Jerry Willows

#JerryWillowsHatesMyBike


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Sept. 26, 2023, 4:41 p.m.
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Posted by: FlipFantasia

**Posted by: cooperquinn

**I'm honestly less concerned about e-bikes creating access challenges than the explosion in mountain biking as a whole, and just people generally being narcissistic, entitled..... nevermind.

Mmmmmhmmmmmm, hard to stay passionate about advocacy in the current environment

Yep, back underground we go!

Sept. 26, 2023, 6:40 p.m.
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Posted by: tashi

Yep, back underground we go!

This is the answer. 

But I don't think "the industry"/instagram/Strava/keeping up with the MTB joneses/whatever will let the genie back into the bottle.

Sept. 26, 2023, 11:19 p.m.
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Sept. 26, 2023, 11:35 p.m.
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Velo - same happens here altho I like the DOC approach. The best one we found recently was a used tube at the bottom of a trail which is in the middle of nowhere (as far as you can be in the middle of nowhere in Surrey). It got tied to my backpack and taken home. What kinda animal just throws a tube in the woods... it's almost as bad as roadies and their gel pouches on the side of the road.

As Endurimil said above "shitty humans".

Maybe time for a MEATengines t-shirt- "Fighting Shitty Humans Globally"


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Sept. 27, 2023, 2:07 a.m.
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Posted by: AndrewMajor

4-way-stop double-tapped?

The car whose turn it is goes and, knowing everyone else is stopped waiting, the car immediately behind them goes too, right on their bumper (jumps the queue).

The first many times this happened to me it was Teslas and I wondered if maybe it was a ‘feature’ of some self driving mode. But the lady who did it to me yesterday morning (also in a Tesla) had a look of determination that can only be described as “I’M GETTIN’ MINE MUTHA F**KERS!”

No 4-way stop cams or enforcement, so it’s just another example of the gradual erosion of the honour system/decent human behaviour.

Not saying no one queue jumped or ran stop signs in the past, but it’s been happening a lot lately - in my car, on my bike, on foot.

Got it.  We don't have many 4-way-stops here - they generally turn them into roundabouts.  But I know the type of people.

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