headtube issue was a manufacturing error that i believe was a first run only frame issue. all the effected frames were replaced under warranty
2011 Turner DHR Reviewed by Tim Coleman
RC4 is stock. Shop would switch out to another shock of your choice.
Why slag free swag?:rolleyes:
ummm, as your doctor i recommend against riding with a scaphoid fracture.
All great questions Udi. I weight just under 190lbs with all my gear on. I used a 400lb spring for the entire test, which is what the distributor suggested I use.
It's good to hear your response, and I am (like others) always happy to read a negative and honest review.
http://www.tftunedshox.com/info/spring_calculator.aspx
I've found this quite accurate in most cases, and it suggests much closer to a 350lb spring for your weight. I could understand a 375, but I suspect 400 is heading towards too firm. Keeping in mind that the RC4 has a greater shaft diameter than others, combined with curnutt-style progressive damping in a reasonably progressive frame - all characteristics that point towards a slightly softer spring than one would usually run.
Here are some additional thoughts on the shock. I rode this shock and spring on another DH bike that uses the same dimension shock, and has very similar rear wheel travel (0.2" less), so average leverage rate was similar.
Different rising/falling rates can easily require a different shock tune and/or mask a faulty shock.
Big-ted has nailed it here. Differences in leverage curves can make phenomenal differences to tuning requirements. Consider an Orange 22X frame compared to a DHR, assuming the exact same travel. The shocks would still have vastly different tuning requirements.
I don't own a DHR, but owning another of Weagle's frames, I can assure you that they are indeed sensitive to shock setup/choice - to the point of being quite communicative of the fact if things aren't quite right.
You still have no idea if that RC4 was actually functioning as intended on that bike and, bearing in mind the state of the fork, it's not outside the realm of possibility that it was roached.
Surely this is the question on everyone's minds. The bike just sounds like a rough ride from the get go - 40's usually feel quite nice as long as they are broken in and looked after (yet you disliked yours enough to change to a different fork entirely), and most people wrap their stays when they build bikes.
Anyway like I said, it's great to see honest + negative reviews now and then, I just found your opinion was completely different from other riders I know who have tried the bike - which is what made me wonder if maybe something just wasn't quite right with the setup as tested. It only takes one rough bearing or one tight bushing to make suspension feel like crap.
Hey Tim, If you do a second review could you try throwing your CCBD on there just for me and Karaleen….I know the rest of the world wouldn't consider possibly changing the shock on their bike, but we would….lol. You could PM the results so as to not offend anyone. Of course beers and free shuttles could be offered.
Oh and maybe get a bike that doesn't have a boat anchor wheeelset.
I also told Karaleen she could ride my DHR…should be set up perfect for her. Small, CCDB, and under 35 lb total build weight. I'll be up in Whistler Sunday/Monday if she wants to take it for a spin.
We were hoping to be at North Fork on Sunday….lol
Ya she really want to try your bike, actually so do I.
I just got off the phone with JP from On The Edge - the distributor of Turner Bikes in Canada.
They are shipping us a new rear shock and a fork to redo this test. As well as a needle bearing kit. The bike was a demo from Crankworx last summer and they are concerned that the shock may have had the wrong tune or it may have been faulty in some way.
Good to hear!
tim, what are the chances the bike felt harsh because you've been riding a session for so long?
perhaps you've just been spoiled by an unbelievably awesome bike (trek session)?
i only ask because the bit of time i spent on one last summer blew my mind.
The CCDB works best with a flat rate. I'm sure the RC4 would be the better shock for the DHR.
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The CCDB works best with a flat rate. I'm sure the RC4 would be the better shock for the DHR.
Funny, I've heard the exact opposite.
Due to the Fox having a larger displacement of fluid because of the large shock shaft, it has a natural progressive rate built into it. Now couple that with a suspension design that has a progressive ending rate and you get a suspension that harsh in the last few inches of travel.
I'd love to hear why you feel the CCDB is better at the flat rate and the RC4 would be better with a progressive one?
We were hoping to be at North Fork on Sunday….lol
Ya she really want to try your bike, actually so do I.
Ah well, I'm sure we'll cross paths soon…
tim, what are the chances the bike felt harsh because you've been riding a session for so long?
perhaps you've just been spoiled by an unbelievably awesome bike (trek session)?
i only ask because the bit of time i spent on one last summer blew my mind.
Entirely possible Clark. My Session 88 is the bench mark comparison for me as I've spent so much time on it. Between my older Session 88 and the DHR I rode I'd rather the Session by a margin. With less sag the Session 88 is suppler over rough terrain, pedals near as well as the DHR, is lighter, cheaper, just as stiff and prettier (IMO). Furthermore with the new geo on the 2011 Session 88 I imagine it's even better than mine.
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wow, this thread sure made the rounds of the internet forums!
Funny, I've heard the exact opposite.
Due to the Fox having a larger displacement of fluid because of the large shock shaft, it has a natural progressive rate built into it. Now couple that with a suspension design that has a progressive ending rate and you get a suspension that harsh in the last few inches of travel.
I'd love to hear why you feel the CCDB is better at the flat rate and the RC4 would be better with a progressive one?
Yep you're right. Don't know what I was thinking.
"I do like how you generally bring an open-minded and positive vibe to the threads you participate in"
- Morgman
^^^really?
this was actually to Davem's post but it still kinda counts
Yep you're right. Don't know what I was thinking.
wait, WAT?
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