I recently had to replace a 2016 hardtail frame and ended it with an updated version of the same bike (abet off shore vs on shore made frames) . The numbers are not out laddish for a modern bike, The seat post is a degree steeper (76), the head tube is a degree slacker, reach is ~15 mm longer and the chain stays are 5 mm longer. I swapped over all the parts from my old frame and it has been an interesting back to back comparison of incremental changes. On trail the updated bike feels more stable over all.
It might be less comfortable on long road rides, I have not done many road miles on it yet. I have a commuter / gravel bike that does that well if that's the intent of the ride. I did do a 10 day bike tour of mainly road on the old frame and it was fine. Any discomfort I have on long rides is from a lack of core strength causing poor posture. Stretch more, Do more Yoga.
The wheel flop comment is interesting. Its only something I notice at slow speeds in my driveway. Once on the trail, I have never noticed it.
Oct. 8, 2022, 7:16 a.m. - Adrian Bostock
I recently had to replace a 2016 hardtail frame and ended it with an updated version of the same bike (abet off shore vs on shore made frames) . The numbers are not out laddish for a modern bike, The seat post is a degree steeper (76), the head tube is a degree slacker, reach is ~15 mm longer and the chain stays are 5 mm longer. I swapped over all the parts from my old frame and it has been an interesting back to back comparison of incremental changes. On trail the updated bike feels more stable over all. It might be less comfortable on long road rides, I have not done many road miles on it yet. I have a commuter / gravel bike that does that well if that's the intent of the ride. I did do a 10 day bike tour of mainly road on the old frame and it was fine. Any discomfort I have on long rides is from a lack of core strength causing poor posture. Stretch more, Do more Yoga. The wheel flop comment is interesting. Its only something I notice at slow speeds in my driveway. Once on the trail, I have never noticed it.