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Feb. 15, 2022, 2:14 p.m. -  Andy Eunson

Surly isn’t juvenile. You’re right but I have the impression that it’s the name that people like and the reputation that the name inspires rather than the quality. I don’t think they are bad bikes but just not as good as the name and prices seem to suggest. I kind of rebel at the whole "steel is real" garbage. To me that statement is more like "I have a 20 year old steel boat anchor of a Bike and can’t afford a new bike so I’m gonna dis any material that’s not steel" . Plus I need 48 threaded bosses to mount 30 pounds of bags and crap including a toaster on the right fork blade and blender on the left plugged into a dynamo hub.  Sorry. Old guy ranting. What I dislike is stuff sold as being good because it has an edgy name or scantily clad women are holding those forks. It’s selling stuff based upon emotional responses as opposed to "our stuff is good and here’s what it will do for you."

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