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Sept. 24, 2020, 9:24 a.m. -  Morgan Heater

I really like short chainstays on my hard-tail (416mm), but I use it for commuting, dirtjumps, and messing around the city, in addition to trail riding. I'm not looking for all out speed on my hard-tail, that's what my squishy bike is for, and it has 450mm chainstays. Interestingly, the XL reach and seat-tube angle on the ESD is nearly identical to the L reach and seat tube angle on the geometrons.

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