Yeah, most larges now are coming in closer to 480mm Reach (nice to see lots of XL bikes in 2021 are closer to 515mm) and more importantly the Stack heights are coming up to better match that dimension - you don't need 1000x headset spacers.
Also, the standard ~78° STA (which varies a lot bike to bike still depending on the actual STA and your inseam) is A LOT steeper than what anyone was doing in 2013 which certainly changes seated-position.
Aug. 24, 2020, 5:53 p.m. - Andrew Major
Yeah, most larges now are coming in closer to 480mm Reach (nice to see lots of XL bikes in 2021 are closer to 515mm) and more importantly the Stack heights are coming up to better match that dimension - you don't need 1000x headset spacers. Also, the standard ~78° STA (which varies a lot bike to bike still depending on the actual STA and your inseam) is A LOT steeper than what anyone was doing in 2013 which certainly changes seated-position.