Based on the 2016 review I bought these and went a size up and use some thin Outdoor Research woll gloves as a base layer. Mostly used for commuting as I too don't like how the "layers" disconnect me from the grips, but I've never had cold fingers and I can't recall them leaking even on 20 mile Seattle winter commutes.
Feb. 26, 2020, 4:22 p.m. - Troy
Based on the 2016 review I bought these and went a size up and use some thin Outdoor Research woll gloves as a base layer. Mostly used for commuting as I too don't like how the "layers" disconnect me from the grips, but I've never had cold fingers and I can't recall them leaking even on 20 mile Seattle winter commutes.