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FWIW I was happy with my set of Slate T4s even on the stock red pads, they were better with Shimano metal pads -- think Zee like power with more linear delivery and modulation; better than Guide R and T I've tried in the past. I had a second set of these brakes come OEM on a bike that was not good at all (especially the front), even with known 'good' pads and a full brake fluid purge and bleed.
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