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May 29, 2019, 3:33 p.m. -  Skyler

Fair. I know you were mostly comparing reach and stack, but even though people don't give it any credit these days, I think when someone complains about a bike feeling too long, they're actually usually talking about the full cockpit length, from saddle to bar. So, a meaningful way of communicating STA should matter a lot... Kind of a tangent to your point, so don't take it as criticism.

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