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March 6, 2019, 8:55 p.m. -  DangerousDave

But the seated length (butt-to-hands) has remained about the same since seat tube angles have increased along with reach. For example most medium frames still have an ETT of between 600-615mm as they did 3-4 years ago. But the standing length (ie. reach or feet-to-hands) is now 2-3 sizes bigger. So standing/descending on a medium 2019 Stumpy Evo is like standing/descending on a XXL bike from 2016 from a fit perspective. So if we could go back to 2016 (only talking about standing/descending position) we would tell people that they actually needed to size up 3 sizes.

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