To add on to this... I tend to ride bikes that are a 3-5 years behind the curve (slack SA), and have dealt with back pain that's made worse by slack climbing position. Cutting edge geo aside, I've found it very helpful to slam the seat forward all the way. I know I'm not the only one out there doing this, but it really helped. This compromises some effective reach, so I actually sized up on the frame and slammed the seat forward. I've since had a hardtail built up with custom geo, and that steeper seat angle is amazing for the back. I'm right over the pedals, and not levering through my torso as much when I'm grinding.
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