In my view, these bikes are pretty long. Hardtails have their reach increase as the fork sags, whereas a full-suspension’s  reach stays the same or shrinks through sagging of both ends. A medium hardtail with 450 reach is a long bike.
Agreed on the head angle though, but you can always bump up the fork to 150 for an extra degree.
July 26, 2018, 6:58 a.m. - DMVancouver
In my view, these bikes are pretty long. Hardtails have their reach increase as the fork sags, whereas a full-suspension’s  reach stays the same or shrinks through sagging of both ends. A medium hardtail with 450 reach is a long bike. Agreed on the head angle though, but you can always bump up the fork to 150 for an extra degree.