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Agreed on the chamois. Not terrible but I have better ones. I love them for
all types of rides on my bike with the bottle cage. I tried them with a small
bottle in the centre pocket too. Works quite well although your not going to
grap that bottle for drinking as you ride off road much. I use a large frame
bottle till empty and stop and refill it with the small pocket bottle. I am
not a fan of thigh pockets though. Maybe for soft cargo but it is only a
matter of time before I slide out and give myself a cargo shaped bruise or
break that phone. I couldn't agree more on how pathetic most liner shorts are.
I refuse to buy them. I only buy outer shorts without.
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