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Review

Yeti SB165

Photos Deniz Merdano
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I’m proud of my Wyoming provenance. From belt buckles to my custom titanium Landyachtz gravel bike, the Bucking Horse and Rider adorns many of my things. Sure, us Wyomingites are 190 feet short of being able to climb any fourteeners – a favorite Colorado pastime I’m told – but we make up for it with better skiing, Yellowstone, Devil’s Tower, fewer people, and of course my home of Jackson Hole. And while everyone thinks of Colorado and its mountains, what is eastern Colorado if not just an extension of the great plains of Nebraska? We’ll overlook Wyoming’s status as the reddest of states, and pretend our moniker of “The Equality State” rings true.

I am pre-disposed by birthright to be biased against anything with a Colorado flag – I was forced to attempt to set this aside for the sake of objectivity when the new Yeti SB165 arrived at my doorstep. Despite its heritage from the second-best rectangular state, could the big new freeride bruiser win me over?

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To my eye, its a good looking bike although there's a few more nicks and scratches now.

I covered the basics and updates on Yeti’s first factory mullet here in a first look back in April, but some basic refreshers are in order. My tester is a size large, T3 X0 Transmission, spruce colored machine that retails for 9,200 USD; there’s builds from 6,300 USD to 12,400 USD. All of them are 170mm/165mm front/rear travel, with a wagon wheel up front, and 27.5 tweener out back. This bike isn’t a race weapon – Yeti has the SB160 for that – it’s geared towards aggressive riding off the clock. On paper, if you’re looking for a bike suited for park laps, the local gnarly stuff, or Red Bull Rampage – the SB165 is ready for it. Forget paper though, how about on trail? And what about compared to its peers?

In the First Look, I said it was “approachable,” and “I rapidly found myself very comfortable” aboard the SB165; this continued throughout the review period, but I made a few changes to improve the ride for me. Firstly, dropping down from a 450lb to 400lb spring put me in a better position for the Switch Infinity to really work its magic, and removing some spacers to drop the handlebars 12.5mm got me more weight on the front end for descending and cornering.

Climbing

Humans are pretty good at relative comparisons but we’re not great at judging things in isolation. This applies to everything from guessing the weight of objects to the saltiness of food, and it definitely applies to how we perceive bikes. This matters because my daily driver is a We Are One Arrival equipped with Flight Attendant; a famously good-pedaling bike topped with the latest battery and AI powered wizardry to make it pedal even better. Hopping aboard the Yeti feels slow up the hill with power sucking pedal bob, even with the climb switch activated.

But is that sluggishness grounded reality? Not really. Especially on winch-and-plummet style rides that a bike like this is going to frequent, it’s not meaningfully slower to the top; its just my comparison point is hard to beat. For a coil-sprung 165mm travel bike, the SB165 pedals at least as well as most bikes in it's class.

The relaxed, slack geometry means its never going to excel on steep technical climbs but there’s enough anti-squat to keep you moving, and the advantage to the very active suspension is you’re never left wanting for traction. Swapping in the softer spring may have put me in a more ideal sag zone for the Switch Infinity platform, however this came at the expense of some bottom bracket height, and even with the 165mm cranks, avoiding pedal strikes took care and precision. Keep your butt in the seat and keep spinning and the stump-pulling 30-52t combo will keep you traveling up, albeit not at an alarming pace.

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Tight switchbacks are not the SB165's forte, but swing out wide with enough English and focus and you'll get through. And yes, this photo was in late June and I was still riding in long sleeves and pants. It's been a weird summer, but I'm enjoying not baking.

Descending

But what happens at the top of the hill is likely of more importance to most potential SB165 customers. Once you’ve winched yourself to the top, was it all worth it on the plummet?

I’d say so. The Yeti is easy to get comfortable aboard; the combination of slightly-relaxed geometry and smaller rear wheel give the SB165 playful character that lacks razor sharp edges you might find on a race bike. Its happiest going fast, but also does well slowly kachunking around through jank, or on days you don’t feel like pushing at ten tenths. The low bottom bracket t to bonk things – the bash-guard shows its been well used – but this compromise means the Yeti corners well and is very stable at speed.

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This is a pretty straightforward feature, however I'm not sure I'd recommend doing it with a completely flat tire.

Overall it's a bike that is forgiving, taking both mistakes and lapses in judgement in stride. It encourages you to pull for natural features and jumps, but doesn't punish you if you're not feeling it that day. The same solid mid-stroke platform for these jumps works on mellower terrain, but it's not a trail bike and undulating terrain always felt like a lot of work. Realistically, that shouldn't be a surprise on a bike of this nature, and flipping the climb switch can significantly help in these situations. Once I got the front end down, I have few notes or concerns on how this bike goes downhill.

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You don't need to be pinned at all times; it's a bike that's happy to just play around on less gnarly trails.

Conclusions

The SB165 fills an interesting niche – it’s not a full fledged freeride machine akin to the Rocky Mountain Slayer, nor is it a plow like the Gen 6 Trek Slash I reviewed last year. It’s also clearly not an enduro race bike; everything from kinematics to geometry is a little more relaxed and usable across a wider range of effort and skillsets. I’d wager no one reading this is competing at Rampage (and if you have, or are going to, chime in below), but in creating a bike that top level freeriders could ride at freeride’s pinnacle, Yeti has created a bike that’s likely better for many folks than the SB160. It climbs well enough for long days and can take pretty much any terrain you’re willing to throw at it (like, well, Rampage). It’s a supportive platform that’ll pop when you want, stay stuck to the ground if you feel like it, and crucially is happy to just go out for a cruise if you don’t want to push yourself.

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Great bike, great trail.

Sometimes I struggle to figure out who a bike might be best suited for, but in this case it’s a little easier. I can see myself as an SB165 customer. I’d be swapping out a few parts (Mavens, We Are One Triads, MaxxGrip), porting over my Flight Attendant, and I’d like to try it in full 29’er trim, but the Yeti ticks a lot of my boxes. If I’m buying with my wallet instead of my heart, the C3 GX Transmission build with Fox Factory suspension upgrade seems to be the best mix of components and value for me.

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Photos never really do this feature justice, but suffice it to say it's a move with real consequences that requires faith in your equipment. All the riding images in this piece are part of the North Shore's newest sanctioned trail, Cambodia.

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GB
+6 Cooper Quinn Tim Coleman Timer Deniz Merdano jhtopilko Kyle Dixon

I call that feature the dragons back.  . Love the lush green mixed with the primitive gnar . 

Exelent pics .

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Timmigrant
+1 Deniz Merdano

Great riding, with Deniz killing it as always!

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jeff-white
+2 Cooper Quinn Lynx .

'Winch and Plummet' is a perfect phrase for the style of riding y'all enjoy on the left coast. Sadly, there aren't as many options for that out east.

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XXX_er
+2 Andy Eunson jhtopilko cxfahrer Joseph Crabtree

28T is that last step before you suck so bad you must buy an E-bike ... so you can go back to the 34T

the yeti guy at the last LBS I dealt with told me the 165 was so scary fast he sold it pretty quick, he was the yeti guy cuz he could put one together really fast, duno if its changed but they didn't  come assembled

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ClydeRide
+2 dhr999 Timer

Chainring arrogance… such a weird flex.

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cooperquinn
+1 ClydeRide

Agreed. 32t is a preference of mine, not some measurement of manliness.

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Dude@
+1 ClydeRide

Will you be reviewing the WR1 Flight Attendant?  I have a reasonably lightweight WR1 130mm set-up and have considered this upgrade. The Pinkbike thoughts were not that encouraging for Flight Attendant, at least for a long travel bike.  As good as the WR1 bike is, I have been considering one of the newer, modernized XC bikes. The recent review by Mo on YouTube for the Evil Following with Flight Attendant was intriguing. I thought Evil making an XC bike out of the Following was like putting lipstick on a pig, but maybe there is more to this Flight Attendant in the transformation. Hearing your brief thoughts has renewed my interest in this.

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cooperquinn
+1 Dude@

No, there won't be a review there as its my personal bike. I'm not sure when PB last reviewed FA, but the current iteration is massively different than it was last year. Early FA felt a bit beta - it was fairly easy to confuse the system, it had some odd behavior here and there (you're trying to wheelie? oh it thinks you're climbing and just locked out everything...), but the new firmware is really, really good. I've even deleted any FA control buttons from my cockpit as I found them unecessary, and now have another shift button. 

I know what you mean a bit - when they launced FA on big bikes not XC bikes I was a bit miffed. But, I get it now. It makes pedaling a big bike significantly less of a chore, especially on rolling or undulating terrain. If youre just riding winch and plummet style stuff its not going to make much difference. 

It's hard to tell someone they should be purchasing FA, as youve noticed its really goddamn expensive. But, I really like it, and very much miss it on bikes that don't have it. (I'd consider selling a kidney to get it on my XC bike, TBH.) 

Feel free to ask anything else, or DM me.

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denomerdano
+1 Dude@

We (I) reviewed the Flight Attendant Last year. It was misplaced on an e-mtb but I think has a solid place in non electric assisted bikes, small or big in travel numbers

Flight Attendant review

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heckler
+1 Cooper Quinn

it's incredible the difference in POV when you're riding vs looking at photos.  I didn't recognize Cambo until the last photo, although I've been building on it occasionally since 2009, and riding it before then.

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Ripbro
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How does it compare to the WAO arrival on the descents?

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cooperquinn
+2 Jotegir Ripbro

The Arrival (especially in 150 trim, mine is a 170) if fairly famous for not suffering fools and being a bike you need to push fairly hard to make it work. 

I really like the Arrival - its been the longest running bike I've owned in a long time. But it demands a bit of precision and paying attention to extract the best out of it.

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mrkdwrds
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“Its happiest going fast, but also does well slowly kachunking around through jank, or on days you don’t feel like pushing at ten tenths. The low bottom bracket t to bonk things – the bash-guard shows it’s been well used – but this compromise means the Yeti corners well and is very stable at speed.”

Did someone party a little too hard for the 4th?

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cooperquinn
+2 Jotegir Kyle Dixon

The Yeti would absolutely be a better bike when you're hungover than an Arrival.

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kos
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Finally, politics in a bike review. I've been waiting so darn long.......

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jhtopilko
-5 Kos BarryW Timer James Hayes ClydeRide dhr999 Andeh

Red state is generally a positive. Most wouldn't be able to get up the mountain with a 34t, which might come in handy on the downs, generally, culturally north americans have grown physically weaker and averse to effort. Not all bike changes in the last 20 years have been positive.

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cooperquinn
+2 BarryW jhtopilko

I find the 30t is annoyingly small when compounded with a 27.5 rear wheel. You end up in smaller rear gears, and especially places like bike parks (or just fast flow trails), you wind up with less chain tenanjon and more noises and rattles than necessary. I get specing a 30t for many customers on 29ers, but on this bike it's just too small.

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Timmigrant
+1 jhtopilko

A 30t ring is annoyingly small even on a 29er wheel. 32t and 170 mm cranks seem like the smart compromise. I'm almost surprised when anything else is spec'd.

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LoamtoHome
-9 jhtopilko Timer dhr999 Konrad Kos ClydeRide James Hayes Joseph Crabtree Kenny demo7_rider maxc

If you can't pedal a 32t , it's ebike time.  I've got a 32t on a 180/170 High Pivot bike and yet to put it in the 52t cog.  Maybe for Whistler....

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Timmigrant
+3 Konrad BarryW dhr999

Whistler, Eagle, Britannia and Burke are all fairly evil on a 32t!

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srodgers84
+7 Konrad Cooper Quinn Kos Timer BarryW ClydeRide dhr999

I consider myself a pretty strong rider when it comes to climbs and I definitely take advantage of my 30t at Burke and Eagle. I did the Back Forty this year on my 'down-country' and there were a few sections where I was longing for a 30t.

cooperquinn
+4 srodgers84 Konrad ClydeRide dhr999

I can think of a hell of a lot of places around where you usually ride where I use my 52t.

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Gdreej
+9 srodgers84 Velocipedestrian Konrad justwan naride PowellRiviera jhtopilko Jeremy Hiebert Joseph Crabtree cxfahrer

Jerry, you crank a high gear at a molasses pace. Many others would rather spin a faster cadence, in a lower gear, including myself. 

30t also gets you slightly more ground clearance than a 32t and keeps you out of the 50/51/50t cog out back more. Seeing as the largest cogs are usually made of faster-wearing alloy, a 30t ain't a bad option.

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cooperquinn
+1 Konrad

There's reasons to run a 30t, but it's not for me, on this bike, at this point in my riding.

LoamtoHome
-1 demo7_rider

@graham still trying to figure out where you need to be in 50-52t for around here?  Whistler and Eagle I can see

rwalters
+3 tmoore Cooper Quinn jhtopilko Jerry Willows James Hayes

All these sissies need to HTFU and embrace 30 x 42.

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xy9ine
+3 jhtopilko Ryan Walters Morgan Heater

42t big cog is how i justify a 30t ring. (and not spending much time going fast).

is is wrong that i've been eyeing up a 26t x 9-36 compact setup?

LoamtoHome
0 Ryan Walters demo7_rider

@ryan.... I'm downvoted to hell but I wish AXS had a 42t.  How did we survive before 12 speed?

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+2 Velocipedestrian Joseph Crabtree

If someone (or his knees) prefer spinning over mashing, a 30t ring on a 27.5 bike is perfectly fine.

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Timmigrant
+2 Konrad jhtopilko

Depends on what you're descending. A 30t ring doesn't work in the Whistler Bike Park for me. A 32t ring on a 29er is the best compromise for me, spending a good chunk of the day in 12th in the bike park, and barely pedalable on the Whistler Climbs in 1st.

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