REVIEW
Vorsprung Telum
Designed and manufactured in British Columbia
There are few components on a mountain bike that experience as much brutal punishment as the rear shock. It’s kinda miraculous when you think about it - this small assembly of metals, polymers, oils and gases lives a violent life, doing its best to keep the rider in control, while that rider is doing their best to smash the shock into pieces. In addition to being a critical component of a performance mountain bike, the shock is a complicated machine unto itself, with dozens of high-tolerance bits and pieces, sliding past, over and around each other at blistering speeds.
Given the complexities involved in the design and manufacture of suspension systems, this realm is typically inhabited by huge corporations with deep R&D pockets. There are a few notable exceptions to this rule though, and Kamloops’ own Vorsprung Suspension is one of them.
Founded by Steve Mathews in 2012, Vorsprung's mission has always been one of improving suspension performance, and until now, they’ve exclusively offered aftermarket parts for existing suspension platforms from other manufacturers. Over the last few years however, Steve and his team of engineers, machinists and technicians have been working on the Telum coil shock, their first standalone suspension product.
While I’m not a suspension professional by any means, I am a machinist, and I’ve snooped around enough shocks to know that they are not easy things to make, let alone design. From the beginning, I eagerly followed the Telum’s development on social media, and while I was certainly rooting for Steve and his designed-and-made-in-Canada rear shock, how could it possibly go toe to toe with the current crop of excellent shocks from massive companies with decades of experience? Needless to say, I wanted to find out.
The Telum is a twin-tube damper design that comes wrapped in a Vorsprung-branded Sprindex coil, custom tuned for each rider who orders one. There are no stock tunes here - the Telum ordering process involves a comprehensive questionnaire, filled out prior to the shock being built. Everything from bike model, rider weight, skill and physical fitness are factored into the damper tune and spring rate recommended by Vorsprung. From beer league benchwarmer to Rampage destroyer, the Telum has a tune for you.
Available in common metric sizes, the Telum is available in standard eye as well as trunnion options. Where applicable, standard eyelets feature spherical polymer bearings that reduce side-loading and friction. Adjustments include spring preload, Sprindex spring rate, high speed compression, low speed compression, low speed rebound and hydraulic bottom out. Additionally, all Telum shocks come equipped with a 2-position climb switch. At 1,600 CAD, the Telum certainly resides in the “premium” category of mountain bike shocks, but for those looking for a custom tuned, North-American-made shock (rarer than hen’s teeth) the Telum is reasonably priced. The 205 x 65mm trunnion mount Telum I reviewed weighed in at 536g for the damper alone, and 993g including a 500-550lb/in Sprindex - right in line with other coil shocks in this category.
In a move that can only be filed under OK, that actually makes so much sense, Vorsprung doesn’t define the Telum’s service interval in “hours”, but in vertical metres descended. A full service is required every 100,000 metres of vertical descent, or once every calendar year - whichever comes first. 100,000 metres is a lot, and with the exception of folks riding lifts all summer, it’s probably safe to say that most buyers can default to the annual service schedule. In addition to the many Vorsprung tuning centres around the world, service can be carried out by most reputable suspension service centres, and will cost about 200 CAD.
Before ordering, potential buyers should check the online frame fitment / compatibility chart to make sure their bike will play nice with the Telum. Due to the excessive bending loads that can occur with longer suspension yokes, Vorsprung forbids their use with the Telum. Many other suspension manufacturers have similar warnings buried in their fine print, but few are as up front about this issue. Vorsprung has an excellent (and highly entertaining) “Shock-Frame Best Practices” document that should be required reading for any suspension nerd. I laughed, I cried, I learned.
Before we get into the all-important subject of what performance returns you earn on a $1,600 shock investment, it’s worth noting some of the Telum’s more unique features. To achieve a handful of design and performance objectives, it features a solid main piston that allows for all damping duties to be carried out in the reservoir bridge. Keen observers will note that the bridge area of the Telum looks significantly bigger than on other shocks, necessary to accommodate the increased valving and oil flow. A primary goal here is to achieve a climb mode that can be tuned exactly as desired in the bridge circuits, without being affected by oil flow through the piston. By forcing 100% of the damping duties to the bridge, this also allows Vorsprung to employ their patented Rapid Revalve technology, which allows the base tune of the shock to be adjusted in a few minutes, without dismantling the shock. Stouter construction, improved damper response and a novel hydraulic bottom-out system are all achieved through the solid piston as well.
While not exclusive to Vorsprung, the inclusion of spherical bearings at the eyelets is a big deal that you’ve probably never heard about. Spherical bearings isolate the shock from frame misalignment (more common than you might think), as well as side-loading events caused by frame flex while riding. The TLDR is that spherical bearings protect the shock from excessive internal wear, while minimizing friction throughout the entire suspension system.
Holding the Telum in your hand, you can tell a lot of thought went into every corner of this shock. In a sea of mass-produced forgings, with their sanded smooth finish, it’s refreshing to see the evidence of CNC toolpaths all over the Telum. The trunnion bridge in particular is a work of art - swoopy and angular, organic and industrial all at the same time. The name Telum comes from the Latin word for “weapon” - an appropriate name for a piece of kit that bears a striking resemblance to Darth Vader. If this shock performs half as well as it looks, we’ll be off to a good start.
When a Telum shock is built and shipped, the owner receives a detailed tuning report that includes charts and info related to damper settings, base tune settings, spring rates, as well as rider and bike info that were uploaded to the Vorsprung Tuning Hub upon purchasing the shock. Vorsprung draws on years of real world testing and experience to arrive at recommended settings for each Telum build, and the tuning report is the closest most of us will ever get to having our very own suspension technician for a day.
Installing the Telum on my bike went without incident, and before my first ride, I acquainted myself with the various damper adjustments, all of which are handled with either a 3mm or 6mm hex key. The first parking lot bounce revealed a shock that felt less damped overall than the RockShox Super Deluxe Coil Ultimate it replaced. The Super Deluxe is an excellent shock, and it’s my benchmark for a reliable unit that does everything I want it to, without any weirdness. The Telum’s lively feel had me wondering if I should mess with the damper settings before even hitting the dirt, but I resisted and put my faith in the Vorsprung recipe.
Climbing
My first experience with the Telum started out with a long singletrack climb. If I had any fears of the lively Telum leading to bad pedalling manners, they quickly faded as I got under way. With the lockout left open, the Telum felt calm and composed while grinding uphill. Looking down at the shock confirmed that it was definitely compressing a small amount with each pedal stroke, but the action was so smooth and quiet, it was hard to tell the difference between shifting weight and pedal-induced bob. Small-bump sensitivity and traction while pedalling were so good it was almost unnerving - I pulled over more than once to check that my tire pressures weren’t low.
Halfway up the climb, I decided to see how one extra click of LSC would affect pedalling inputs. The result was just noticeable, and resulted in an even calmer feel, without sacrificing any of the buttery smooth sensitivity that was evident in this shock from the get go.
Climb Mode
I’m generally not a fan of climb modes on shocks as no one ever seems to get them quite right. On one end of the spectrum you have climb modes that make no discernible difference to the ride quality at all, and on the other end you have climb modes that feel like the shock just ingested a pile of lego bricks. I’m a guy who climbs regularly on a heavy enduro bike, so I’ve gotten pretty good at spinning circles, keeping my upper body still and just accepting that climb modes kinda suck.
Until now. If you asked me a few months ago what the ideal climb mode should feel like, I wouldn’t even know how to answer. Now I would just say to make it feel like the Telum. It’s so different from anything I’ve ever experienced, and it’s hard to put into words. It’s quite obvious when it’s on, but the shock still moves, albeit in a stiff and highly damped manner. Imagine transforming a heavy 180mm travel enduro bike into a heavy 100mm XC bike - that’s what the Telum climb mode feels like. I personally relished the comfort and traction afforded by climbing singletrack without the climb mode engaged, so I found it most useful on asphalt and smooth gravel. Should you forget to disengage the climb mode before dropping into some heinous rock garden (a whoopsie-daisy I did only once), the Telum is equipped with blow-off protection on the climb circuit, protecting the valves from damage.
Descending (stop scrolling down now)
After a solid hour of climbing, I had my first chance to really open up on the Telum. I eased into some pace, half expecting to pull over and add a bunch of compression damping and spring rate to keep the bike balanced. Bike suspension has always been a game of compromise for me, and I’ve learned that when suspension feels as supple off the top as the Telum did, it usually means a cacophony of bottom-outs when the speed picked up. After about a minute of descending, it dawned on me that I hadn’t yet bottomed once, and in spite of my fears of spending the entire ride with the shock packed down to the bumper, it felt composed and balanced, devouring bigger and bigger hits with ease. I slowed down, got off the bike and just stared at the shock with a look of bemusement on my face, saying something along the lines of: “Uhhh, OK….Wow”. This weapon seemed to be packing some surprising firepower. I took a quick swig of water, got back on the pedals and decided to try a different tack.
With my trust in the Telum established, I resumed the descent in anger, ratcheting up to a vibe that could only be described as “reckless abandon”, and even when blasting through some very shitty lines, the Telum remained unfazed. On several occasions, I purposely jumped offline into landings strewn with rim-deleting rocks, and the Telum worked its magic. Within minutes of starting my first descent, I realized that there is some absolute sorcery going on in the marriage of the compression damping, the HBO circuit, and that Sprindex coil. The transition from mid-stroke into the HBO zone was seamless, and made for a truly bottomless feel, without the pogo-like return when relying on bumpers alone. Rebound damping was similarly exceptional, as I was able to run it quite fast, without the slightest hint of top-out or any bucking sensation. Did I mention it was dead silent? Not a peep or a squeak at any point in the stroke.
As my time on the Telum grew, I started experimenting with different damper and spring settings, and after plenty of knob twisting (or hex key twisting in this case), I came back to settings that were no more than a single click away from Vorsprung’s recommendations, a testament to the efficacy of the Tuning Hub process. On all adjusters, one or two clicks delivered noticeable changes in ride characteristics, although adjustments made to the HBO were more subtle and harder to detect - not surprising, as they only affected the final 15mm of shock stroke.
Installing the Telum on my bike felt like downloading a bunch of cheat codes.
How a shock could be so efficient at devouring any sized hit delivered at any speed was beyond my layperson understanding, and I wanted to figure out what was going on in this assembly of metals, polymers, oils and gases. Diving deep into the Telum development story, it became clear that Vorsprung had mounted a militant campaign against friction in this shock, and I’ve come to believe this must have had a lot to do with its exceptional performance. More so than with any other shock I’ve ridden, the Telum stroke feels like pure damping, for lack of a better term. Obviously there is friction involved, but you’d be hard pressed to find it. When friction is kept to an absolute minimum, the damper is free to just get on with what it was designed to do: maintaining traction with the ground. The result is a shock that seems to react instantly to trail input, and is likewise able to rebound in a second instant. The Telum just seemed to make all the right moves at all the right moments, and it had me searching for ridiculous, off-camber bonus lines that made no sense - and often let me get away with them.
With all this talk about ground-hugging traction, you’d be in good company if you expected the Telum to transform any bike into a lethargic freight train, incapable of leaving the ground. I’m pleased to report that this was not my experience. As inexplicably as this shock glues the rear wheel to the ground, it’s surprisingly easy to pop into and out of all manner of terrain. Manicured lips, piles of baby heads, any metaphorical body parts you can think of - when you say jump, the Telum leaps. The rebound stroke is so well controlled, you can press and pump your way through any trail feature, and get a good energetic pop with no top-out. I mean, this thing was born in Whistler, so it sure as shit better know how to jump.
At the risk of stating the obvious, I’ve really enjoyed my time on the Telum. It’s changed the way I ride, and it’s changed the way I think about suspension. I’ve been riding hard on this shock for nearly 4 months, and its performance hasn’t diminished one iota over that time period. I started writing this review a bit worried that I didn’t have many criticisms for the Telum, and aside from the price tag (which actually started to feel quite reasonable after I came to terms with what this shock was capable of), the only complaint I can come up with is that the adjuster clicks are not quite as defined as on other shocks. The clicks are definitely there, they’re just not the notchy clunks we’ve come to expect from most present-day shocks. A petty criticism to be sure, but what credibility would I have left if I came out and claimed that Vorsprung’s first shock was perfect? In a world on fire, coming apart at the seams and surely on the brink of nuclear war, I’m willing to let the diminutive damper clicks slide.
Ok, it’s good, but is it $1,600 good? I was asked this exact question by a riding buddy, and while the question caught me off guard ($1,600 is a lot of money after all), it only took a few seconds for me to confirm that yes - it’s that good. Maybe money can’t buy you happiness, but it can buy you a Telum, and to this mountain biker, that’s almost as good.
Vorsprung Telum - $1600 CAD.
Age : Old enough to remember square taper bottom brackets.
Height : 1803 mm
Weight : 13.54 stone
Ape Index : 1.03
Inseam : 2.582 ft
Bar Width : 30.7"
Preferred Reach : 0.2663 fathoms
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Velocipedestrian
4 weeks ago
I'm on record as disliking the trope of referring to bikes or parts as weapons etc, so I'll stick to my illusion that the shock was designed for Mulét bikes and named as such.
Great review though, and has me pondering the shipping and taxes - our lowly NZD is usually similar to CAD, while the tyranny of distance means $1600 isn't far off retail on a full-fat X2 &$1450, or Super Deluxe Ultimate $1330 here .
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Tehllama42
3 weeks ago
To me, that would make this almost a no-brainer.
At 3x to 4x the relative cost, I'm still looking at this.
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mrbrett
4 weeks ago
Kamloops, eh? Must be just a matter of time before the We Are Vorsprung collaborative efforts surface. Sounds like a weird techno band …
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Curveball
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Trunnion design best practices - Point #7. LOL!!!
Besides being very smart, the guys at Vorsprung have a great sense of humor.
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I love my bike, but apparently it was designed by stoners!
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Jerry Willows
3 weeks, 6 days ago
The top tube/headset of the Enduro was a stoner move
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks, 6 days ago
You’re not wrong Jerry!
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Mike Ferrentino
3 weeks, 6 days ago
They had me at "Dumbshite, the Greek goddess of pointless hardware sizes"...
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David S
4 weeks ago
I've had a Telum on my dreadnought v2 for a while and I can honestly say that it's one of the few parts on my bike where the price feels like a bargain. Steve and the crew at vorsprung are solid humans making a solid product that performs above and beyond my wildest expectations. The shock is that good.
I think the most impressive thing about the shock, for me at least, is how consistent it's been. I feel like most shocks tend to fall of a cliff, performance wise, around 80% of their service intervals. I was fortunate to beat the ever loving hell out of the shock this summer and it remained very consistent through the entirety of its time. I even needed to send it back for a minor issue midway through the summer (which they covered 100%) and they said the oil on the change over was 100% clean. I honestly think that this shock sets new standards for not only performance, but longevity.
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roil
4 weeks ago
What fork are you running up front and can it keep up with that telum/dreadnought setup?
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David S
4 weeks ago
38 with the 2024 grip2 tune. Which is pretty good fork all things considered. Will be moving up to a 2025 Grip x2 for next year though. I think a bit more "useable" HSC will help keep everything in line. Though the 2024 grip2 tune is much better at generating actual HSC values than previous gen.
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cedrico
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Nice writing, Ryan! And congrats to Steve and the crew at Vorsprung for apparently kicking butt.
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Mark
4 weeks ago
In some past articles (can't recall which ones) there's been talk of climb switches and a few notable NSMB personalities have said that if your bike needs a climb switch then it's compensating for bad frame design. I didn't necessarily agree with that POV, but I probably have less experience on as wide a range of frames/shocks as those people.
In your review you mentioned not so great experiences with climb switches in the past and that the one on the Telum was definitely effective - a revelation? I'm curious to know what shocks you are comparing the Telum to. Is it just the Rockshox that came off your bike or would it extend to other shocks as well such as say Fox or Cane Creek?
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Ryan Walters
4 weeks ago
Let’s just say the majority of my experience with climb switches is with most of the “big players”. I’ve heard anecdotally that folks really like the Cane Creek one, but I’m not familiar with it myself.
I could survive without a climb switch, and the Enduro actually isn’t bad considering the travel. I think it boils down to personal preference. Here’s the thing: any standard transmission bike with lots of suspension travel is going to have pedal induced bob if the suspension actually works well. Physics, etc.
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Mark
4 weeks ago
Yeah, I've never been overly concerned with pedal bob as I expect some to be there, it just shouldn't be excessive. Other things will influence bob too, such as rider weight and riding style. I've always been more of a grinder than spinner so I probably have noticed bob a bit more. It's always been a case of how much energy am I giving away to bob vs losing traction due to the suspension being too stiff. The search for that elusive happy medium comes down to the fact I actually like technical climbing trails. On some bikes a climb switch has been essential and on others it gets selected use depending on the trail and the pace for the climb.
Like you say it all boils down to personal preference.
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Zombo
3 weeks, 6 days ago
The cane creek climb switch is great because it slows rebound down as well. Kitsuma DB is coil is my favorite rear shock I've ever ridden. Also north American made and less than half the price of this thing...
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Slinger
3 weeks, 5 days ago
Pretty sure it's N.A. assembled, not manufactured. As for the Telum, I've seen buckets of parts being made (picked up a few things helping them move to kamloops... I've heard some pretty ridiculous stories about the durability testing on this thing. Impressive. I've got a CC Kitsuma coil, and while it's a great shock for sure, I question it's durability and QC. Add to that the (not so) ease of service, and I wouldn't do it again...
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Yeah, I thought the same thing about CC. There is lots of talk about “assembled in N.A.” all over their website, but it’s hard to find concrete answers on where their stuff is actually manufactured. I did find an older article that claimed they had a few CNC machines, but that doesn’t mean anything as far as where production happens. I have to think their fork castings must come from overseas, but I’d be glad to be proven wrong!
Maybe someone else can shed light(?)
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Curveball
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I have a bike that climbs very well and the climb switch doesn't help much with pedal efficiency. So why do I use it? My bike also has a rather low bottom bracket and using the climb switch helps to keep it from sinking down and causing pedal strikes. Yes, I know I likely need shorter cranks, but there aren't a whole lot of options there just yet. I may end up with the 160 mm Canfield ones.
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Gonna leave this right here…
https://northshorebillet.com/en-ca/products/talon-crankset
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Curveball
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Ooh, now we're talking.
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pbass
3 weeks, 6 days ago
With the 35% off coupon in the banner these are the lowest priced short crank option I could find (that weren't off aliexpress).
https://uniteco.bike/shop/drivetrain/crankset/crankset/
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roil
4 weeks ago
Really well written review with awesome photos.
After years of hearing people talk about how much better coil is than air, I finally swapped a RS ultimate air to a RS ultimate coil on my gen1 Privateer 161. The difference is night and day. The rear of the bike is so much more composed at speed.
After one ride on the RS coil, I ordered the Vorsprung's new Smashpot v2! I'm a coil convert.
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Kenny
4 weeks ago
My comment above kind echoes yours.
My fork on my gen 1 141 felt fine when running the stock float x. With MRP Hazzard coil, the fork is a bottleneck.
I've swapped back and forth a couple of times between an Ohlins RXF36 m.2 (air) and a Helm MK2 (air) and neither can keep up. Coil fork is in my future, an even better performing coil shock would not do me much good currently. Smashpot for the Ohlins is probably the answer, along with bumping the travel to 160 maybe.
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roil
4 weeks ago
Do it
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fartymarty
4 weeks ago
Agreed. The cÖils on my Murmur are well good.
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BarryW
4 weeks ago
I found when I put the coil on the rear of my Polygon Siskiu that the stock fork just could not keep up. (34 Rhythm at 140) and swapping that for the Z1 coil at 160 now the bike is so well balanced.
Sure coils are heavy, but I'll pedal that all day for the feel. At least on a trail or bigger bike.
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Steven Kovalenko
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I like to think the name is more of a pun, "Tell'em how good it is!". Very curious to try this shock out on the next steed, whenever the current one decides to go to the big carbon wood chipper in the sky. Seems like a bargain considering it's made-in-Canada, and comparable to cost of a tuned EXT Storia, which seems to be the most popular local bougie-money shock.
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Mike Wallace
3 weeks, 5 days ago
This excellent write up and accompanying crazy strong Vorsprung documents derailed my Christmas Eve activities. Likely that is not healthy but it is what happened.
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SockPuppet
4 weeks ago
I have a RS SuperDeluxe RCT Coil massaged by Craig at Avalanche on my Knolly Fugitive. (Fork is a Lyrik with an Avy damper and Smashpot) The shock is really good, best I have ridden to date, and my only complaint albiet minor is that it is a bit more on the glued to the ground side then at the pop end of things as well as the lack of HBO. I prefer it this way than more on the poppy side, but if this strikes a nice mid point balance and gives me HBO on top... Been following the development since it was announced and have been quite interested. The Avy-RS is due for a full service and with the border and Craig's notoriouis backlog, now, after reading this, it has me very interested. Just may have to check the top of the dryer and back of the couch...
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Lynx .
4 weeks ago
Nice looking shock and review, price might seem a bit high until you check a PUSH 11-6, it's $1600 USD and they sell., actually would be great if you could get one in to review and compare to this shock. Personally if I had the bike or rode enough these days, I don't think $1600 CDN/$1200 USD would be bad for a shock that seems to perform this well, heck a top of the line shock is about $600-800, then get it custom tuned, add another couple hundred, so you're at a grand, so :-\
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Ryan Walters
4 weeks ago
Agreed. I wish I had some time on the 11-6 to make a direct comparison (your move Push Industries).
Add in the Sprindex spring (which sells alone for ~$200 CAD), and the price tag is very reasonable.
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Kenny
4 weeks ago
Fast Fenix would be a really interesting comparison as well, also a nearly identical price point.
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mattocto
3 weeks, 1 day ago
Great review and from the rides I've had on my new Telum I can honestly say I've had the same thoughts and feels on the bike. Even the rough chatter highline to carry more speed into a corner that I never felt happy with on an air shock. I recently got one for my v1 Dreadnought from NS Dynamics in OZ. Its turned this bike into a proper weapon. The fact I didnt feel the need to change any settings for three rides speaks volumes to the data they have behind the tuning process at purchase. Have since sped the rebound up a whole 1 click which I also wish were a little more clicky. Other than that I think the Telum is a work of art and performance blew me away. Worth every cent for me.
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Mark Meisner
4 weeks ago
Great review Ryan! I drive the EXT Storia V3 myself and basically everything you experienced with the Telum, I feel the same with the EXT.
But... since I have equipped my DVO fork with a Smashpot, the Telum also appeals to me. Have you perhaps also driven the EXT Storia?
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Ryan Walters
4 weeks ago
I actually do have experience on the Storia (pretty sure it was V3). At the spring rate I was running, I just could not get rid of the clunky top-out in that shock. Even going back and forth with distributor and tuner, they just admitted that top-out was an issue for heavier riders, and couldn’t get rid of it. It’s too bad, because the performance was excellent otherwise - just the constant clunk when jumping the bike was a huge deal breaker for me.
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Peter Leeds
3 weeks, 6 days ago
The best upgrade you can make on this is finding a Ti spring. I have run a Ti spring on all my coil shocks since 2001 and it adds a world of difference, not just the weight. It is costly to upgrade to but you get better spring actuation due to Ti being more pliable (better small bump compliance), it never rusts, retains it spring rating and doesn't sag unlike steel, which can rust. And for a local buyer, the issue of "should it need work or help" is nice since Vorsprung is in Whistler. I like local.
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StranjBikes
2 weeks, 6 days ago
Ti springs are also notorious for not being accurate to their stated spring rate. And these days they are getting harder and harder to find.
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks, 6 days ago
You might be surprised at some of the light steel springs available today. The Sprindex is significantly lighter than the equivalent regular steel spring of same rate and stroke. I’ve run Ti springs in the past, and I’m sure there is negligible weight difference to the Sprindex. Can’t say I’ve ever noticed a difference in performance either.
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Peter Leeds
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Steel rusts and suffers sag over time. I had a Ti spring on a shock that was over 14 years old that still measured as new. No rust. Talk about holding value over time. In terms of performance that might be debatable, but measurable facts are not.
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Bogdan M
3 weeks, 6 days ago
Been holding off to hear some reviews before I put this on my SB160. Looks like it might be a go :-) I'm generally a huge fan of Steve and Vorsprung. I've always loved his suspension Deep dive vids on youtube and generally appreciate his engineering first aproach. I have the Luftkappe on my Fox 38 Grip2 180mm fork and I can say it has been an absolute game changer for that fork/travel combo (I can't speak about other versions since the luftkappe changes the positive/negative chamber ratios) ... but for my fork i has given it that magical supple off the top with mid range support. I don't have to trade off ride height for suppleness.
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BarryW
4 weeks ago
As a very happy owner of a Super Deluxe Ultimate coil on my bike the comparison is enlightening. I'm very happy with my RS coil, so if the Telum is that much better it must be truly remarkable.
But...
For $1,600 I'll buy a gravel bike before I'm going to buy a Telum. For sure performance on that level, and being domestically made? Totally a fair price. Maybe I'll just send in my coil for a Vorsprung custom tune.
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Kenny
4 weeks ago
The pictures of it are gorgeous, and reading the "best practices" document Ryan linked (thanks for that Ryan, I also laughed cried and learned!) also really reinforce that the telum is made by a highly experienced, passionate, practical, intelligent group of people who are only interested in making something with exactly ZERO compromises.
As such I totally understand the price tag. I am sort of in the same boat though. My $300 MRP Hazzard already way outperforms my fork.
So aside from a gravel bike, I'd probably buy a vorsprung coil kit for my fork first, because I think most "normal" coil shocks these days already way outperform the best air sprung forks, so having an even better rear shock would just widen the gap while leaving the fork as the bottleneck.
Obviously if I win the lottery I'll buy the smashpot for my Ohlins, the telum, and the gravel bike on the same day. :) but as it stands the telum ends up being last priority.
Love the product though and great review. It will be interesting to see if they cook up a ground-up fork. Now THAT would really set my credit card on fire. Haha
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Curveball
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I just had to read Vorsprung's document about the various mounting systems. I'm not feeling too good about my yoke-mount Rallon. I wonder how Deniz's is holding up?
I wish I knew about all that before I bought the bike.
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks, 6 days ago
I think the takeaway for me is that it's challenging to fit all the things we demand into the small real estate afforded by a bike frame (shock, water bottle, storage box, dropper post, kitchen sink, etc., etc.), and there are some compromises that frame designers have come up with that are not ideal from a suspension-performance-first point of view - trunnions and yokes.
In my view, it's more important that the frame is aligned in the first place, and that pivot bearings rotate freely. While my Enduro is guilty of both a trunnion and small yoke, its shock mount alignment is excellent, and seems quite well isolated from frame flex. The pivots are also very well shielded, so they spin freely for a very long time. I've not encountered any frame related abuse on any shock on this bike (i.e.: unevenly worn damper internals). It does have a somewhat high leverage rate, so that imparts a bit more abuse on the shock, but nothing compared to some previous frames I've owned that had alignment and stiffness issues. I routinely wore out the inside of damper bodies on those frames.
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Mark
3 weeks, 6 days ago
An extension to that thought is recognizing that one bike can't do everything well and we have to accept some compromises. In terms of frame design I think it should start with dialed geo for the purpose/size, then suspension kinematics and lastly gadgets. I'd rather sacrifice water bottle mounts and swat boxes for an optimum frame design for the bike's purpose. That said, this shock seems like the sort of product that can make up for some less than optimum design.
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Steve Mathews
3 weeks, 6 days ago
As the person who wrote that document, don’t stress about it too much. It’s “not optimal for the shock”, not “life ruining” - if it were such a fatal flaw that every single shock on a yoke bike blew up in an instant, they would have died out a decade ago. It really is a scale thing, more length is more problematic, and the Rallon is far from the worst example out there.
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Tehllama42
3 weeks, 1 day ago
In engineering parlance, I think the precise statement would be 'Congratulations, you happen to own a Highly Accelerated Lifetime Testing rig masquerading as a well-designed bicycle'.
It will work, but it's beating on key bearing surfaces needlessly, and mostly to achieve packaging considerations that could have easily been design iterated around.
TL;DR, I'm finally ready to accept that I'm just shoveling a couple grand in CAD your way to see what my nice bike is capable of, because I'm well overdue for a severe injury at Angel Fire, and have decided I need a bike that can get me well and truly in over my head. Smashpot/Telum (and MRP Lift for the Zeb) should be that answer and then some.
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks ago
Haha! I fully get what you’re saying. That said, the Telum has gotten me out of at least as much trouble as it’s gotten me into!
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Tehllama42
3 weeks ago
For my part, the most capable bike I rode was a well set up Slayer (one or two generations ago), and my immediate reaction was realizing that it was so capable, that if I ran out of talent at the same time its limits reared their head, the best case scenario was probably waking up in a hospital.
I've matured a bit in terms of riding approach, and at this point the added capability is definitely worth it, I just need to wrap my head around having a 33lb bike despite the carbon bling when I'm done with it.
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Ryan Walters
3 weeks ago
Haha, my bike is dripping with carbon, and is still pushing 38lbs.
Mark
3 weeks ago
Horses for courses is like the 42 of mountain biking.
It's definitely possible to build up a lightweight bike that is capable of gnarly riding, but how long is that bike going to last before sidewalls are getting ripped open, wheels start coming apart, suspension service intervals go way up, handlebars are snapping or frames are failing? And let's not forget how a rider's weight factors into all this. I think the penultimate example of this are the shots of Cooper riding his Rocky Element on 5th - is that the type of difficulty (or higher) he's going to be doing on a regular basis on a bike like that? Send it bigly
If you regularly charge hard in steep and gnarly terrain that includes jumping then a bike that weighs in the neighbourhood of 35lbs is going to be a necessity. If you mostly ride more mellow trails that are relatively smooth with few g-out and almost no air time then you can get away with riding a sub 30lb bike on a regular basis.
There's no doubt that a lightweight bike feels great to ride, but the thought of increased maintenance/repairs or folding it and getting injured leaves me feeling happy with having multiple bikes or carting around a few extra pounds of bike weight for the things I regularly ride just to have some peace of mind.
Ryan Walters
3 weeks ago
Couldn’t agree more Mark. I honestly don’t notice the weight when I’m riding, and I can ride this bike super hard, and I rarely need to do any repairs aside from expected maintenance. I run DH casings with Tannus inserts, so that’s where most of the extra weight is coming from.
Tehllama42
3 weeks ago
Mark, that's the real struggle. I'm pushing up against 115kg, so there really isn't a way to get the cumulative vehicle mass anywhere that I'm not running DH casings and majorly idiot-proofed hardware, and the downside is weight.
The weird part is that when I turn on the mechanical sympathy part of my brain, I do just fine zooming along at comparable speeds on my 27# hardtail that has received all the hand-me-down parts from my trail bike. Somehow, this is also the more reliable bike (not to mention faster everywhere but downhill segments with rough terrain).
Kenny
3 weeks ago
Unless a person is some combination of very light, riding a pretty small selection of trails, or comfortable with being on the edge of breaking things regularly (bcbr racer or something), even 33lb is very light for a "shore worthy" full suspension IMO. My old Ripmo AF was 35lb, and that was as light as I could realistically go. A carbon ripmo frame is about 2lb lighter so that's 33lb. But that's no inserts, air shock, X01 mechanical, 1800g wheels, 1000g tires, and a lyrik. Not much room for savings other than maybe an exotic wheelset.
I weighed my bikes for fun yesterday. The privateer is 37.8lb with a multi tool, inserts, 1200g tires, Saint brakes, and a coil. Wheels are carbon, but they are a durability focused build (reserve 30 HD on Chris King, still aroun1800g).
I could drop a few pounds going back to air, lighter brakes, lighter tires, no inserts, etc, but I only see downsides given the bike's intended use. The bike pedals good, stops on a dime, descends like a freight train, and never breaks. The high anti squat and steep sat tube angle go a long ways towards hiding the weight when not descending.
My hardtail is 32LB, and the banshee enigma frame is pretty light and it has 1000g tires, no inserts, and no shock or pivots at all. So it's kinda funny there are only 6lbs between them. Even if I was limiting myself to mellow trails, I'm not comfortable riding down severed or John Deere or Ned's or jersey shore at 30km/hr on some under-built death trap.
That said I'm getting a gravel bike this year, I'm really interested to see what it's like to ride up fisherman's to the dam on something thats 23lb with nearly slick tires. Maybe that feeling will motivate me to make things lighter, but I doubt it.
Lynx .
3 weeks ago
I'm curious what all you who feel that you need a 36lb> bike to be able to ride confidently and not break, weigh?
Mark
3 weeks ago
@Tehllama42
I think the only way to get around the durability question in order to go with a lighter bike is to put a significant amount of effort into being a "light on your wheels" type of rider.
This means reading the terrain exceptionally well and reacting to it by using a ton of body english in order to keep the bike light on the ground. That is a HUGE amount of work, both mental and physical, and TBH I don't think it's worth it. I've had spurts of doing that here and there on certain spots on some trails, and while it is a unique and rewarding experience, I don't think it's possible to ride like that enough of the time to compensate for charging hard on a sub 30lb full suspension bike. You'd also probably be building up a $15K+ bike to get there as well.
I don't think that not by doing all that we'd fit into the idea of Pete's lazy rider, at least not for us normal people anyways. If you closely watch top level DH riders you can see them doing this on their runs, but I don't see it happening all the time. Granted they are playing in a different park than the rest of us and have access to essentially unlimited bikes/repairs/maintenance, but it still seems like it couldn't be done enough of the time to justify a lightweight bike as your only bike, especially if you like to smash on the downhills.
That said, I think the idea of riding light is definitely a skill worth having and practicing.
Mark
3 weeks ago
@Lynx I'm about 210lb geared up. Rider weight matters for sure, but I think it's more about terrain and riding style. I have a steel Kona Explsoif with XC wheels that I take out from time to time and the bike is capable, but only to a point. If I start pushing it too hard I can feel the frame doing wobbly things underneath me when the riding starts to get a lil bit spicy. IMO there's no point in killing an under-gunned bike (or oneself) just to prove you can do it.
Kenny
2 weeks, 6 days ago
@Mark @Lynx
Yeah riding light helps for sure, but ironically I think *being* lighter makes it's easier to ride lighter, so it's almost a compounding issue. I understand Mark is a pretty avid fitness dude so he may be an outlier as far as power/weight and agility goes which would help one ride light.
That said I don't think even the best 200+lb riders will ride the same way as a Dale Stone or a Geoff Kabush flyweight type dude does
I know that at least when I'm riding well, I'm using my weight and momentum to my advantage and my bike gets punished for it. I grab my bike by the neck and squeeze. Those are the best days. I'm no ballerina on a lbike. :)
Speaking of outliers though, I would suspect NSMB attracts a disproportionate amount of heavier, faster riders, so the responses here might be lopsided.
If you make a Venn diagram of fast (descending) and heavy riders on the shore, the overlap gets pretty small, but I feel like a disproportionate amount lurk around here. :) so it may seem like everyone weighs 200+ and rides a 38lb bike hahah.
Ryan Walters
2 weeks, 6 days ago
This is a super interesting conversation about weight vs. reliability. I’d like to think I’m not a total hack on the bike, but I’m about 200lbs geared up, and consistently ride very rough and fast trails. My 38lb Enduro has been carefully curated to be safe, reliable and capable on the trails I ride.
I’m confident in saying the trails we regularly ride on the Shore are significantly rougher than trails in Whistler bike park (per meter descended). On a related note, my DH bike is a few pounds lighter than my “trail bike” haha!
Lynx .
2 weeks, 6 days ago
Yeah, forgot to add the bit about riding style, like are you one who scans down the trail and picks the best/smoothest line and/or is always "hovering" above the trail, light on your bike or do you believe that the Hulk was right, Smash, Smash, Smash, have suspension, so use it??
Ryan Walters
2 weeks, 3 days ago
My line choice generally falls into one or more of the following criteria (in no particular order):
-fastest line
-funnest line
-the line that offers an excuse to get the wheels off the ground
-line less travelled
-line that won’t get me killed
Sometimes these result in the roughest line, sometimes the smoothest. I never purposely seek out the smashy-est line - unless of course I’m reviewing a suspension product ;)
Lynx .
1 week, 6 days ago
@ Ryan, I can dig that, sounds a bit like me, although I normally opt for the most tech line, with as little speed as possible to make it as hard as possible. I guess riding a rigid quite a bit makes me more accustomed to trying to keep things together and not smash and bash, even when picking the roughest lines at speed on the FS.
Slow speed tech I guess is my fav, speed isn't everything, in my books, being able to balance and pick your way down something super chunk and tech, "pausing" to evaluate line choice and then ratcheting your way through brings me the greatest joy.
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