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Beggars Would Ride

The Sleestak's Conundrum

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We had been rambling through the desert landscapes of Western Colorado and Utah for a week, and ended up a few days before Halloween in Springdale, Utah, with an appetite and a thirst. So, we made our way to the Bit&Spur, where a Halloween sort of night was going down, and a charismatic Sleestak was tending bar. As he fixed us a couple drinks and slid them across to us, he leaned over and said in a confidential tone; “Did you know that Bill Laimbeer was a Sleestak?”

That was a decade ago, and those words have haunted me ever since.

To recap for anyone under the age of 50, in 1974 the guy who wrote the Star Trek Episode “The Trouble With Tribbles” hooked up with Sid and Marty Crofft (the Canadian Puppetwizards responsible for such majestic fare as H.R Pufnstuf, the Banana Splits, and Sigmund and the Sea Monsters. God they must have done a lot of acid), to create a 3-season television series called “The Land Of The Lost.” Basic premise – family gets sucked through some kind of cosmic wormhole into an alternate universe populated by dinosaurs, these heavy browed little primates called Pakuni, and menacing lizard beings known as Sleestaks. They make friends with one of the Pakuni, have a whole mess of adventures with dinosaurs, and are constantly in some sort of conflict with the Sleestaks. This is blatant bias on my part, but the show kind of sucked. Compared to the imaginative whimsy and costuming genius of H.R Pufnstuf and Sigmund and the Sea Monsters, Land of the Lost seemed like a cut-rate mashup of the worst Star Trek episode ever colliding with the Flinstones and Gilligan’s Island, only with all the funny bits removed.

But the Sleestaks, god bless their rubbery suits, they ruled. They were bug eyed, lobster clawed, nightmare bringers. Total scene stealers. Sadly, as with most television in the 1970s, they never really benefitted from any character development, so they were basically one-dimensional tropes. Yet another scary thing for Rick Marshall and his kids Holly and Will to somehow survive while trying valiantly to find their way back home to Thousand Oaks or wherever it was in California they had somehow got sucked through time and space from. Nevertheless, in spite of the lack of character development, and the fact that the budget was so tight that there were only three Sleestak costumes, the Sleestaks were still the best thing about The Land Of The lost. I guess you could say I’ve always had a soft spot for Sleestaks, a place of warm regard in my heart for these enigmatic and menacing lizard creatures.

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These are Sleestaks. There are three of them. That's all there ever were. We shall not speak of the Will Farrell led 2009 remake. Notice that the Sleestak in the front is about a foot or so taller than the other two? Bill Laimbeer. I bet Larry Bird hates Sleestaks.

So, when a smooth talking bartender in a Sleestak costume hipped me to the fact that the most vilified player in the history of the NBA, one William Laimbeer, had been one of those three Sleestaks, my mind was blown. At the time, Bill was a high school senior in Palos Verdes, and his storied career being a central figure in a legendary and intimidating Detroit Pistons lineup was a very long was away.

“Two roads diverged in a wood, and I – I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” Can I get a Hell Yeah, Robert Frost?

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That big white guy trying to break MJ's arm? That's Bill Laimbeer. Think how much more badass this picture would be if he was wearing his Sleestak costume.

Abrupt shift of gears here – we’ll get back to Sleestak stuff in a bit, don’t you worry. I know this is why people come to nsmb.com. A thirst for Sleestak knowledge.

Anyway, speaking of that well, well, well used Robert Frost quote, I have been wondering lately a lot about the forks in the road and the choices I have made. Especially with regard to bicycles. I’m pounding stakes and stapling arrows into trees at the Breck Epic this week, and there are people racing here who I have known for about as long as I have been riding bikes. They are getting grey around their muzzles but are still animals on the bike, still absolutely kicking ass and taking names. I remember when I used to be able to go toe to toe with them, but that was a couple decades ago, and I wonder how they keep such a fire to race going for so long, how they got presented with so many choices in life and somehow kept managing to choose paths that honored their desire to compete. And there is Riley Amos tearing the legs off the Pro men’s field, still so young that he maybe hasn’t had to ask many of those “which path do I take” kind of life direction questions yet.

My whole life, in retrospect, has felt like a prolonged trust fall. I have never had anything resembling a plan, and have made major life decisions on gut feelings and coin tosses. I do not recommend this, by the way, but at the same time I do not not recommend it. A brief recap of forks that led me to be writing here, on nsmb.com, about mountain bikes (and Sleestaks), could be encapsulated as follows: Decide without too much thought to move to US from New Zealand, one way plane ticket and a job offer crushing grapes. Fork in the road taken. Start working construction, meet coworkers with mountain bikes, get bitten by mountain biking, hard. Fork. Move to San Francisco, ostensibly to get that English degree that I’ve been dragging my heels about, discover Mt Tamalpais just across the bridge, and Velo City Cycles three blocks from my apartment. Drop out of college to become a bike mechanic at said shop. Fork. Start racing. Fork. Go to work at another bike shop because a guy I was racing with was working there. Fork. Get laid off because sales were slow, start answering phones part time at a cycling newspaper. Fork. Move to Santa Cruz, because riding and racing. Fork. Move to the mountains because of the trails. Fork. Move away from the mountains for a Big Career Move. Fork. Regret that one. Move to the mountains again many years later, once again for no reason more solid than “so much singletrack.” Fork.

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Somewhere between forks in the road eight years ago, trying to tie this whole Sleestak-Laimbeer-life choice thing back together, Caleb Smith introduced me to slabs in Squamish. Caleb is a kiwi, but I met him when I was working at Santa Cruz and he was the founder-publisher of a magazine called Spoke. Then, later, when he was working for Kona and living in Squamish, he showed me around while I was up there on behalf of BIKE at a Kona launch. All these decisions, directions, choices, vectors.

I have faced these life choices time and again, and have always made my decision based on the potential for riding and exploring, even if at times I have not ended up making the most of those opportunities. Almost everyone I know has made their life choices based upon far more weighty and grown up responsibilities and goals, and have usually made those choices based upon a much more rationally defensible set of parameters. Sometimes I wish I had chosen differently, but here I am, pounding stakes and stapling arrows into trees, and the afternoon thunderstorms are incredible, and just getting out and marking the course is brutal enough that as much as I admire and even envy my old friends who are hammering out six days of high altitude competition, my back starts to spasm just thinking about that level of suffering. And damn, the coincidental meetings that blossomed into friendships that transpired to bring me here, to keep me coming back here, I would need a couple other long articles to map out. Fork upon fork upon fork.

But still, I can’t help but wonder, every once in a while, what might my life have looked like if I’d taken the other fork. What kind of life would I have had? Would I have ever found bikes, fallen in love with them and through them, fallen in love with mountains and concurrent with that fallen in love with places where the population density is low and the coffee questionable. Would I have started writing about bikes, or if bikes hadn’t wormed their way into my head and heart, what would I be writing about? Anything? Who would I be now?

What if Land of the Lost had better production values? What if the scripts took some time and really got into the gestalt of the Sleestaks? Do they love? How do they raise their young? What do the Sleestak believe? What, in the deep down of it, motivates them to be so creepy? What if the show took off, and had a run like MASH or Fantasy Island? Would Bill Laimbeer have been seduced by Hollywood, found himself in high demand as a 6’11” reliable character actor? Would he have even gone to Notre Dame? And IF he had taken that other fork, what of the Detroit Pistons? Would they have become known as the Bad Boys? Would they have won those titles? Who would be the coach of the Detroit Shock, and would he or she lead them to 3 WNBA titles? Would Bill instead be touring the sci-fi convention circuit, pulling in William Shatner or James Earl Jones size crowds?

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Bill probably doesn't reminisce about his life as a Sleestak, the road less traveled, the choices made. Seems like a pragmatic kinda guy; even his reputation as a hard fouling intimidator was calculated, premeditated. But still, I know if I had a Sleestak costume laying around, I'd wear the shit out of that rig...

There is a part of me that hopes Bill Laimbeer wonders about this sometimes. I hope this partly so that I have company when it comes to wondering these things. But really, what I hope more than anything is that Bill still has his Sleestak costume, and every once in a while he likes to pull it on and listen to creepy synthesizer music. Because Sleestaks rule. Probably can’t pound stakes or run course ribbon worth a damn, but still, they rule.

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SilentG
+8 taprider Pete Roggeman dhr999 Cr4w Mike Ferrentino fartymarty Cam McRae 12o11o

So, there I was, just riding along, minding my own business, and I flip over to nsmb.com.

Lo and behold I discover that Bill Laimbeer has an unexpected cool side and that somehow I have managed to be totally oblivious to Clutch my whole life.

Paradigms shifting, going to need a few minutes to figure out where it went wrong, keep up the good fight nsmb - being both about and not about bikes at the same time is what make this the best mountain and not mountain bike site imo.

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mikesee
+5 BarryW Pete Roggeman Mike Ferrentino Cam McRae trevsky

LoTL was the source of much anxiety in my early years.  Creeptastic.

Bill was our neighbor in the '80's.  Lived 4 doors down, on the lake.  Loved to fish.  Great dude, great family.  

Being an NBA enforcer was his job, and the fact that so many people still hate him for it says all you need to know about how effective he was.  The NBA titles, too.

Saw he and his wife Chris at a family gathering this summer.  While catching up I remembered some snippet from the '90's -- when his dad was still working -- that of any/all NBA father/son duo's out there, theirs was the only one where the non-athletic father made more $ than the son.

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Roxtar
+2 Pete Roggeman DancingWithMyself

Yeah, I still hate him.

I am from Chicago, though.

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TristanC
+4 Lynx . Pete Roggeman Andy Eunson Mike Ferrentino

I think even more important than the big, obvious choices we make, are the little ones that we don't even consider. I stumbled into mountain biking because a friend started doing it and I thought, hey, that sounds cool. I met my girlfriend because I decided to go to a party instead of staying inside and playing video games - small decision with big ramifications. I chose a slightly different way to work and got hit by a car.

But this brought to mind a much more important question: do you think that Gorn and Sleestaks would get along?

And Sleestak Lightning is a banger.

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Koelschejung
+4 PowellRiviera Skooks Mike Ferrentino Cam McRae

Thank you Mike for your philosophical reflections on the decisions in life and where they have led us and made us who we are. Most of us probably ask ourselves the famous WHAT IF? question sometimes, especially when shit has happened. What would my life be like if I had turned somewhere else? A nice thought game! Luckily, your life choices were such that we readers can enjoy your writing. Seen in this way, everything was done right 👍

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Lynx
+4 fartymarty taprider dhr999 Skooks Brad Nyenhuis BarryW turd_alert Andy Eunson

Oh Geeze Mike, I mean who doesn't wonder WHAT IF, especially if they're kind of weird/on the fringe to most other people? I constantly wonder what if, instead of coming back home to my island after I finished college, I'd moved to Canada like my mother wanted, would I have picked up ice hockey earlier than I did and maybe made a go of it, or would I have picked up mountain bikes and moved to Whistler, but then I think while maybe that would be nice, I'd never have eventually rescued my first pup and found my true love for animals and helped a lot of them that were in need or I'd be in Canada now dealing with all the  absolute politically correct, etc., BS that seems to be prevalent there now.

Sometimes I wonder if I could go back in time and make one change, would I? And honestly, while I'd love to maybe know what another path might have led to, the answer, is normally no, except to go back to the time when I didn't do right by my first rescue and left him at the vet to "care for", instead of realising there was nothing they could do for him and take him home and spoil him the best I could for the little time he had left.

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Hawkinsdad
+3 tmoore taprider Adrian Bostock Perry Schebel Brad Nyenhuis

Politically correct BS?

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Lynx
0 Brad Nyenhuis BarryW turd_alert Andy Eunson

Hawkinsdad, yeah, stuff like fathers being put in prison because they won't call their 14 year old son their "preferred pronoun", because at that time think that they were born into the wrong sex, and they're allowed to make that decision, but weirdly children aren't allowed to vote, drive, own hand guns or make other serious life decisions because `they're children and don't have the development or years of knowledge/experience to make such important decisions, but yet they can decide that the current "trend" is to "identify" and then take serious life altering drugs or worse, having surgery - absolutely fvcking bonkers IMHO. That people must abandoned their believes to not offend you and yours if I'm not some left leaning lunatic who completely ignores science, you know, that sort of stuff.

Won't get into all the rest of the crap the current government has implemented or approved, insane - they are just like our current government, started off good, righting lots of wrongs left by the previous government, but then went absolutely bonkers.

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Joe_Dick
+7 Mike Ferrentino Mike Riemer taprider Andy Eunson ClydeRide araz Cam McRae jaydubmah Brad Nyenhuis

I had to put this one through the old search machine to figure out what you are talking about. 

Yes, there is a recent development related to this case in Canada. In August 2023, a British Columbia father who was jailed for violating a court order regarding his transgender child's identity had his sentence reduced on appeal[1][2].

The case involves a father (referred to as C.D. in court documents) who objected to his 14-year-old child's (A.B.) gender transition therapy. The father was originally sentenced to 6 months in jail for repeatedly breaking a publication ban that forbade him from publicly identifying his transgender son[1].

Key points:

1. The B.C. Court of Appeal reduced the father's sentence from 6 months to 45 days[1].

2. A $30,000 fine was also dropped[1][4].

3. The father had given multiple media interviews, referring to his child as a girl and using their birth name, violating court orders[1].

4. The case began in 2019 when the child sought court approval for gender transition treatment[1].

It's important to note that the father was not jailed solely for using incorrect pronouns, but for repeatedly violating court orders that aimed to protect the child's privacy and identity[2][3]. The case has sparked debate about parental rights, freedom of speech, and the protection of transgender minors[4][5].

Sources

[1] B.C. father who broke ban on publication of his transgender son's ... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-father-transgender-son-pub-ban-1.6931954

[2] B.C. father arrested, held in jail for repeatedly violating court orders ... https://nationalpost.com/news/b-c-father-arrested-held-in-jail-for-repeatedly-violating-court-orders-over-childs-gender-transition-therapy

[3] Father jailed after referring to biological female child as his daughter https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/m93y3n/father_jailed_after_referring_to_biological/

[4] Father Jailed for Refusing to Use Daughter's Preferred Pronouns ... https://catholicvote.org/father-jailed-for-refusing-to-use-daughters-preferred-pronouns/

[5] BC father jailed for opposing daughter's transition wins appeal https://tnc.news/2023/08/11/bc-father-wins-appeal/

so not for use of improper pronouns. but for identifying a minor contrary to a court order.

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Roxtar
+1 Lynx . BarryW Andy Eunson

I think you missed Lynx's point. The man refused to obey court orders that infringed (to say the least) on his rights as a father.

The courts allow a 14 year old, who isn't allowed to make choices regarding voting, driving, drinking, smoking, or even having sex, to make life altering choices like gender transitioning, and then forcing their parents to accept it or go to jail.

Yeah, that's big-time fucked up.

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Joe_Dick
+6 ClydeRide araz tmoore Cam McRae Mike Ferrentino jaydubmah

lord have mercy on me for having this conversation on the internet, but if you read any of the articles provided, the jail term and fine (both of which were reduced in appeal) were for violating the publication ban. yes there was a requirement to use chosen pronouns, but publication bans are pretty standard in any case regarding a minor. 

There may be a conversation to be had about parental rights when it comes to medical procedures, I don’t really know, but I do know as a childless middle aged heterosexual, I don’t get an opinion. 

Can you imagine your relationship with your kid after you repeatedly out them in the media and disregard they way they chose to be addressed.  Those are going to be some fun family gathering. baseball games and apple pies for everyone.

Lynx
-3 Andy Eunson SockPuppet jaydubmah

This right here is the problem, the mother should have been jailed for even considering allowing a child, who can change their minds faster than a Bugatti can do 0-60, to do something so life changing, worse yet that there are actual legal institutions encouraging this BS. 

I don't believe in this crap myself, I'm of the old school where there were manly girls and girly boys and that was OK, but these days it seems that if you have the slightest inkling that you maybe like stuff that the opposite sex does, that you're in the wrong body and it's an offense not to try to change that, what's wrong with just being gay - doesn't matter what you like to think, scientifically it is impossible, born a male, always a male. As the saying goes, "Too far East, is West" and Canada definitely has taken it too far in a load of things like this.

> A separate court order in 2019 had affirmed A.B.'s right to seek that treatment and said, "attempting to persuade A.B. to abandon his treatment or referring to A.B. as a girl or with female pronouns would be considered to be family violence.'"

araz
+7 Andy Eunson Adrian Bostock Pete Roggeman tmoore Mike Ferrentino jaydubmah Morgan Heater

As Adrian said, god forgive me for wading into this conversation. I don't want to help turn my favorite MTB site into a political wasteland, but I feel like I need to share my experience as a parent of a teen whose friend group has A LOT of pronoun switching. As an old fogy, I don't fully understand this way of thinking about gender -- I grew up with Patti Smith and Boy George and they didn't change their pronouns after all. However, things change and each generation has a different way of seeing things. From my perspective, the pronoun shifting falls well within the normal teen need to try on different identities and define themselves against how they understand cultural norms. I do get why so many teens want to ditch old gender dichotomies -- and I think they deserve some credit for being able to understand the world they live in, and themselves. In any case, this linguistic gender switching is not leading to mass adoption of hormone therapy and surgery -- just because a kid comes home saying they are now a he, she or they, does not mean they are about to run to the gender clinic. The one kid I do know who is on hormones to physically transition -- easily one of the most conscientious and self-aware people I've ever met -- had at least a couple of years of social transition before starting treatment. I can't pretend to understand what it's like to feel the need to make that kind of decision, but I'm also not going to say that this kid is wrong about it. 

In short, physical transitions are not happening based on spur of the moment teen age whims. And have some faith in younger generations.

araz
+5 Andy Eunson tmoore Mike Ferrentino SockPuppet Morgan Heater

Also, if we're going to cherry pick quotes from the articles that Adrian so helpfully posted, here's a couple that seem pertinent:

"The teen sought an order from the Supreme Court for his father to stop publicly identifying him. "Even when A.B.'s family law file was eventually transferred to the criminal registry, C.D. continued to grant interviews, provide photos, and post information that enabled users of the Internet in Canada and elsewhere to identify A.B. and his medical caregivers""

"he's less stressed out and has not felt suicidal since taking hormones."

OK, I'm done engaging on this. No one's mind is going to be changed here. I'll keep future comments bike related, or sleetak related...

hbelly13
+4 Mike Ferrentino fartymarty Cam McRae DanL

Clutch may be the most reliably well thought of band amongst mountain bikers I've come across over the last thirty years. Hell, they've even played at Snowshoe one of if not the epicenter for east coast DH racing. I've seen them many times and they're are reliably great. Sleestaks FTW!

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ReformedRoadie
+4 Mike Ferrentino BarryW Pete Roggeman Cam McRae

When I woke up this morning...I did not have Sleestak on my internet bingo card.

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taprider
+4 Mike Ferrentino SilentG BarryW Pete Roggeman

I've never heard of Sleestak, Bill Laimbeer or Clutch before, but I still approve of this story.

I too have come to many forks in the road and chosen the direction towards biking and skiing, even if I had to ignore warning signs

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Mears
+3 taprider Mike Ferrentino Cam McRae

"One would think that in a life

Where no two snowflakes are alike

One would have a brilliant rhyme

For each and every bit of time"

But, no, brilliance is fleeting, and choices serendipitous rare. Best to make the most of what we get.

Seems like you've done quite well for your life Mr. Ferrentino. Thanks for sharing as always.

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ClydeRide
+3 Pete Roggeman Mike Ferrentino Lynx .

“Kind of sucked” may be the most undeservedly charitable description of Land of the Lost I’ve ever heard. That show sucked so hard I can’t even expand on it for fear of offending. 

Everybody plays the fork game, Mike. It’s fun/disheartening/confusing/terrifying to look back. But the only way we get to move on the board is forward. If a fork ever points you towards Spokane, let’s go ride. I’ll buy the beers. No Sleestaks.

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rigidjunkie
+2 Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman

I watched Land of the Lost every time it was on growing up.  I still have dreams about the cave with the weird lights that had some role in them trying to get home but it never really made sense.  Oddly enough, I always hatted the Sleestaks AND Bill Laimbeer.  

The only branch in my road that I wonder about is when I applied for a job at the company from WV that put on the BIG 24 hour races in the early 2000's.  I loved that scene, but sucked at racing so working the events seemed like a perfect thing.  I didn't get the job but I do wonder what that pathway would have lead me to in the long run.  

I now help set course for our enduro series and my riding has improved massively from riding a bike with a 40 pound backpack including rebar and pvc to set starts and finishes.  Learning to ride steep technical trail while not being able to fully look up teaches you some reaction techniques that come in handy when things fall apart.

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mikeferrentino
+1 Allen Lloyd

Granny Gear Productions? Laird was ahead of the curve on that gig, for sure. And yeah, the backpack full of angst sure can highlight what you are doing wrong when you ride!

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rigidjunkie
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YES, I could remember his name but not the company name :) Their HQ was in WV and the riding around their home was some of the jankiest stuff you could ever see a person riding a bike.

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MNKid
+2 Mike Ferrentino DanL

"Fork upon fork upon fork."  Truth.

And the one time I saw Clutch they were so loud it made me feel sick to my stomach. Only time that's ever happened.

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DaveSmith
+2 Mike Ferrentino Pete Roggeman

Episodes of Land of the Lost and volcanic ads were sandwiched with ads for Dianetics by L.RON.HUBBARD. The subliminal scheme of scientologists has finally been executed after 40 years - You are now questioning your whole existence and falling into TC's crutches. Don't take the fork that leads into the light !

TC being Cruise and not the loveable gas money chasing heli pilot from Magnum PI.

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mnihiser
+1 Mike Ferrentino

Is that Paul Brodie holding the Sleestak skull?

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cam@nsmb.com
+2 taprider Raymond Epstein

Probably! I was thinking pre-Taxi Judd Hirsch.

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GB
+1 Mike Ferrentino

This is similar to a digression based on the ingestion of LSD.

Was mountain biking mentioned ? My attention went into melt down .

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ReformedRoadie
+1 Lynx .

Counter point: maybe it's best that we didn't know much at all about the Sleestaks. Maybe, every character doesn't need an "origin story", a la the Marvel Universe (garbage). Maybe the mystery adds to the mystique. There is no need at all to explain where the aliens came from in Alien or Aliens (brilliant). The terror comes from the unknown. Though, admittedly, "terror" is pushing it with anything LotL related.

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DanL
+1 Raymond Epstein

So cool that people are discovering Clutch as well.
Blast Tyrant |Robot Hive | Psychic Warfare are an excellent trinity of albums to begin with

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