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The new Trek Slash+

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A year ago at Crankworx, we saw the latest Trek Slash which was quite a departure from prior versions: it was a bit of a beastly high pivot and idler platform with 170mm of travel at each end, mulleted in all but size S (which is a dual 27), and clearly capable of racing or enduro style riding as well as bike park duty. Cooper reviewed it and it's fair to say he enjoyed that bike.

This new Slash is very similar to that one, except Trek added a 50Nm TQ HPR50 motor with a 580 Wh battery. This is not Trek's first TQ-equipped bike - that was the Trek Fuel EXe that Cam reviewed and it's fair to say he enjoyed that bike.

We'll get into the details, the good and bad. But so far, it's fair to say, I'm enjoying this bike.

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Geometry

The Slash+ and Slash are very alike in geometry. Slash+ does not have a ML size and reach has consequently been adjusted slightly to bridge the gap between M and L - 448 and 478 respectively. The head tube angle sits at 63.5 and you can plus or minus that by one degree using included angle adjust cups. Effective seat tube angle is about 77 degrees for the larger sizes and gets to almost 78 for size S. Trek has accounted for tons of dropper insertion but then neutered that on the 9.9 tester I'm riding by spec'ing a RockShox Reverb - only up to 170mm of course.

The lower shock eyelet has two positions which allow you to control the leverage rate between a less progressive position Trek suggests for use with air shocks and/or smaller riders, and a more progressive position for larger/more aggressive riders and/or coil shocks. I've so far left it in the less progressive position and it's paired well with the Vivid Air, but I am curious to try the more progressive setting, especially in some steeper, rougher terrain. Not that traction or control has been lacking so far.

Lastly, Trek is playing ball on size-specific chain stay lengths, with the S getting 434mm stays, the M & L share 440 and the XL gets 445. And, like regular Slash, they're all mullets except the Small which has two 27.5" wheels.

Spec

There are two models in the Slash+ range: the 9.9 I'm testing has a RockShox ZEB Ultimate fork and Vivid Air Ultimate shock, Bontrager Line Pro 30 carbon wheels, a SRAM X0 AXS Transmission drivetrain, the aforementioned AXS dropper, SRAM Maven Silver brakes w/ 200mm rotors, and Bontrager SE6 front/SE5 rear Team Issue tires.

The other model is a 9.7 and its spec highlights include a Fox Rhythm 38 and Performance Float X shock, Bontrager Line Comp 30 wheels, Shimano XT/SLX drivetrain with e13 cranks, Shimano M6120 4-piston brakes and Bontrager XR5 Team Issue tires.

Early returns on the ZEB Ultimate and Vivid Air are really good. The Charger 3.1 was easy to set up and nicely balances a variety of different scenarios, from hot and heavy to fast and loose. I'm going to play around with spacers and setup a bit more for the full review. The Vivid Air is a nice complement to Trek's HP+I setup. It's an active combo that makes the Slash+ feel like less than its 170mm when you're throwing it around, but when you need to use all that rear travel it's there for you and never stares back with an evil eye if you sink too quickly into the furniture. On many occasions I've hammered down through successive troughs and hardly found the bottom or - more crucially - lost traction.

We've consistently had good luck with Bontrager wheels and the Line Pro 30 Carbons are no exception (with the exception of the rim strip which works perfectly but makes tire changes a chore). Unfortunately that cannot be said of the Bontrager SE6 front and SE5 rear tires. I've found them to work well in dry, firm, and semi-loose conditions, and they're sure-footed on rock and slabs. Where they let me down is when there is any moisture on the ground. Or when you need to keep air in them. A big ride in Whistler the other day resulted in three flats - always in the space where the side knob contacts the tire bed in the intermediate channel. The first flat was on me - I didn't have enough air in the rear tire to accommodate the rocks at the bottom of the upper slab on Crazy Train. The next two were head scratchers...real JRA type of flats, the kind I hadn't had in years. After three of those and a few stops to reinforce tire plugs, I'd had enough and cut the ride a bit short. The SE6 could stay on until the next rainy day and I'd be happy enough, but that SE5 is a shop floor take off for me in its current form.

This is the first bike I've spent time on with SRAM's new Maven brake, and I'm in like with them. The sheer amount of power took a little getting used to, and I'd prefer a lighter lever feel and more modulation, but I'm adjusting and getting better at applying the power later and using that to my advantage. I think we're going to be good friends.

The X0 AXS Transmission has been excellent. The AXS Reverb post too, but the 170mm drop length is sadly outdated. Because I can run an e-bike's saddle a little lower than on a regular bike, this is mitigated by 5mm or so and it hasn't held me back in the steeps too badly, but I'd really appreciate 30-40mm more room back there.

TQ

The TQ HPR50 motor is a revelation. Trek made some lofty claims about its 'tonality' or the perception of sound the user feels with the TQ vs unassisted, full power and light power assisted bikes. Tones and perception are probably beyond the scope of my knowledge, this first look, or your interest level, but let's leave it here: the chart they showed has the perceived tonality of an unassisted bike being just below that of the TQ, with a high-power and light power motor at four times (!) the amount (or 4x t.u. HMS whatever that unit means). I scoffed a little inside. Then I rode the TQ and forgot I was supposed to be paying attention to how much noise it makes because a lot of the time, I couldn't even hear it. Trek wasn't exaggerating - the TQ does make a light amount of noise when you're pushing it hard or starting up from a standstill, but otherwise the sound of your ride (tires on dirt or gravel most notably) will drown it out. It's remarkable.

Fifty newton meters is still plenty of power, but it's notably less than the 85Nm that you get from a Shimano EP-801 or Bosch CX. The lighter combined weight of TQ's motor and less than full-sized 550wH battery does make for a much more natural pedaling dynamic. There is less weight to hoist up the hill, but less power to do it with, meaning your pedal strokes generate a response more akin to riding a regular bike. I have really enjoyed riding in the mid power setting except on steeper climbs where I'll bump up to full assist.

The Fuel EXe comes with that same TQ motor, but a smaller battery - 360Wh vs the 580Wh unit in the Slash+. If you wanted to run the smaller battery in the Slash+, it will accommodate it with a different upper end cap. Both are designed to fit in securely without any rattling, and the 580 has been rattle-free. After going back to a different full power bike the other day, I couldn't believe how bad the rattling was in comparison.

Setting numbers aside, I also appreciate the TQ's natural power delivery. It never feels like a burst or a surge but rather rises to meet your power level in a more gradual way. You can feel your pedal stroke pull on the chain and translate into drive, like on a regular bike.

Early Thoughts & Impressions

In writing this, I realize that there is a lot to digest here. Would I enjoy a mid-power ebike, particularly on a long travel platform? Is the high pivot as awesome as the hype? Solid yes to both of those questions. There are some setup and range questions I need to dig into more deeply to really get things dialed, but my general 10 or so ride impression is that this is an especially fun bike in the steep, chunky terrain it was designed for, but it doesn't wallow or feel like a barge in mellower terrain - the motor helps with that for sure.

It's helping me form a solid opinion on mid-power bikes, and it's a super positive one. In a variety of rides with others on full power and regular bikes, the mid-power Slash+ affords the flexibility to cover most bases pretty well. If you had a fitness deficit to some of your regular ride buddies, it'll make that up. If you don't want a full power bike but ride with those that have them, you'll still be slower but they won't hate having to adjust their pace to accommodate you. If you want to reduce your pace and focus on a close to unpowered experience, that's available to you and it's not hard to make your assist level cover the extra weight and feel more 'natural'. If that sounds problematic, remember that you also have the range to overcome longer pedals to the trailhead, eliminating the use of a vehicle to many rides. Different use cases all, but a bike like this can be all of those things provided your trails call for a big hammer.

The Bits tool is great with two caveats: it's become harder to remove from its home in the steerer, and second, just like the one in Cooper's Slash, it rattles. That's closer to unforgivable for me - or at least annoying enough that I prefer to pocket the tool while I ride, somewhat nullifying its utility. Time to break out the Sugru, foam, and mastic tape...

Pricing

There's no getting around the fact that these are very expensive toys, a fact that leaves very little room for errors or compromises. I'll leave the models and pricing here without further comment.

Slash+ 9.7 (SLX/XT): 7,999 USD / 10,999 CAD

Slash+ 9.9 (X0 AXS): 11,999 USD / 15,999 CAD

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craw
+7 Jotegir kamloops_rider Schmolson Shoreboy TerryP vunugu Alex_L

Am I just a noob in thinking that at $17k there really shouldn't be anything to complain about. That short seat post is massively disappointing. Am I wrong in thinking that at $17k you should expect the bike to roll out the door dialled (with the correct saddle, bar, stem and tires for your particular application).

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pete@nsmb.com
+2 Jotegir Cr4w

The tires and post length are legit complaints. It's otherwise top shelf IMO.

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BewaretheKragle
+1 Couch_Surfer

I have a question about the logistics of living with an eBike I havent seen addressed anywhere before, travel. I am fortunate enough to travel a lot and I generally always take a bike along with me. I can't work out how one would get on a plane with any eBike (SL or Full power). The weight limit and battery size restrictions alone seem to negate them from any travel abroad. 

  • Has anyone flown on a commercial flight with an eBike? How did you do it?
  • Are ebikes restricted to your local zone and how far your willing to drive?

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Jotegir
0

The usual travel restriction is that you have to remove the battery for transport. This eliminates some systems without hot-swappable batteries as being highly inconvenient. I suppose then you need to deal with the battery separately however you'll do that (if you can fit it in a carry-on, it shouldn't be restricted from the rules I've seen) and hope that your bike without the battery plus box or travel bag clocks in at under 50 pounds or whatever your airline wants to start charging extra at.

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AverageAdventurer
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Traveling with an ebike is challenging and unless you have the patience and wherewithal to jump through the hoops to get your full power battery/bike to where you need to go separate from your flight it's pretty much impossible. 
https://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/en/what-can-bring/guidelines-batteries

That said; i've flown with an Fuel EXE but there's some additional considerations. You have to remove the main battery prior to packing and checking your bike which helps to hit the weight restrictions. Then depending on the airline you can bring either 1 or 2 range extenders in your carryon. The fuel can run straight off the range extender but i know that some systems cannot. 

160wh in carryon only is for all intents and purposes the only way to bring lithium ion batteries on passenger airlines barring some special circumstances.

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Suns_PSD
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You can ship your e-bike legally and safely with Bike-flights. The battery needs to be under 30% charge, installed in the bike, and the bike and container must be under 100#s and within the 165inch girth requirement (length + 2 x width + 2 x Height). 

Select 'complete e-bike with battery installed. It'll go by ground service automatically so about 4-6 days total shipping.

* Don't select Haz-Mat or anything like that or your shipment will be held!

If you are taking a big trip, say spending a summer in the Alps, I'd remove the battery and buy a new one at your destination then just sell it once your trip is completed overseas.

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LWK
0

Its only $16K.  taxes shouldnt count...  I'd say you need to temper your expectations for anything under, oh say, $19,999.   :^)

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hongeorge
0

Pretty standard with Trek - you can by the base model, or pay $4K extra to have $2K worth of upgrades fitted, but either way, you're stuck with Bontrager tyres and other house bits that need to be replaced

I have a Rail - it has a similar seat post arrangement, it came with a 170 Bonty post, but a 210 Oneup went in no trouble - again, it's an upgrade you shouldn't need to pay for on an expensive bike, but that's where Trek save their pennies. The AXS post is much more frustrating though, that's an expensive item that tops out at 170mm - really strange there's no 200 option, given the speed that SRAM develop new products. Even if the 200mm version only came in the 34.9 size, I can't see why the haven't made it work yet.

Those Bonty carbon bars are actually really nice - shape, feel is all really good and the glossy finish is quite cool- I did go for something higher rise, but that's my own preference, would have had no issue riding them otherwise

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tehllama42
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If I'm being brutally honest, at any five-figure price point for a two-wheeled vehicle that goes forward with pedalling, any complaint that lets somebody look at the spec sheet, think 'that is massively disappointing', and have basically every journalists who tests the things come in unanimous agreement, then that's borderline inexcusable.  I'd probably even take issue with the hub selection on those Line30 wheels (which is a very good hub, but not 'flexing on the dentist builds' that I'd expect here).
At this actual price point, I'm not going to lie, I'm expecting custom paint as default (with some baller options for showroom models), a spec sheet that looks precisely like a world cup/EWS bike, and probably at least an hour of local Trek store tech support AND phone-ine stuff to dial in a setup... and this would be at the 40% discounted price at the end of the season.  I'm probably being a nontrivial bit entitled about this, but I'm honestly unwilling to seriously look at automobiles above this price point unless they have the performance to embarrass other cars performance-wise.

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Wander89
+2 Jotegir JVP

I wouldn't go so far to say 'eagerly anticipating' but have certainly been curious about a "Slash Exe" from the first day the Fuel was released, I'm sure like many others.

But... damn, 8 grand for stuff I'd want to upgrade is just insane. Then there's the sizing - eliminating the M/L from the range realllly hurts those of us on the edge either side.

At 6'2"+, on modern geo I generally have an option between L and XL whether I want a little more nimble or a little more stable, but looking at those reach numbers can't help but feel I'd feel either too cramped or too stretched out - coming from someone with a 510 XL Rocky Element, was feeling my Goldilocks was somewhere 490-500 ish, I guess such treatment is only for Trek XC bikes ;) 

I guess next up - DJI, but I can not stand the rattle from shimano systems, and have heard the DJI does exhibit some - That is something I truly value from the TQ and (rocky) dyname 4 motors - silence, or at least lack of unpleasant rattle lol

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Jotegir
+1 Zero-cool

My limited experience with heavy ebikes, and while this is a 'lightweight' ebike, it's likely no exception - mid-grade suspension works so much better. I've tried a number of different bikes equipped with Rhythm and Domain-level forks and fairly entry level rear shocks and honestly they don't feel that far off the factory stuff on my regular bikes. Depending on the trail it felt better. The weight just seems to make that kind of stuff work. So yeah, not a great spec for the price, but it's the one type of bike that I'm okay with them prioritizing things like brakes and wheels over suspension (even though it doesn't necessarily look like they prioritized those either).

I hear ya on the sizing. Also 6 2 or so. ~510 is great in the short travel area (keeps the wheelbase reasonable) but in the big bike department 490-500 is where it's at. I'd have a hard time happily fitting on one of these, I think.

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Wander89
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True about suspension feeling better, my wife's PowerPlay has a Domain iirc, and does not feel bad.

At some point have to be real with myself and just like shiny parts I suppose, heh. All in all I think I could overlook the parts hanging off it if the sizing was more appealing.

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tehllama42
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Absolutely correct about the actual measurement being PYTHAGOREAN BB-TopOfHeadTube is what needs to be kept broadly consistent (and you're right, probably trending at least slightly towards shorter as the travel increases, because of how much bonus front center extension we get out of longer A2C values and slacker HTA's.

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pete@nsmb.com
+1 Zero-cool

Jump on one. I'm normally an XL in a lot of bikes these days - at 6'1 and with a long torso. This L fits me great. Maybe a tad shorter than some other bikes I've been riding lately but it's been stable at high speed and steep chunk but great when it's twisty, too. It might work for you.

Trek said they get a lot of requests for that ML size but sales figures don't support it. That doesn't mean it obviously doesn't work great for some people, but they eliminated it for good reason at least according to their historical sales data.

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Wander89
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I'm still curious, especially for an L that other people could more realistically ride if need be, but unfortunately local shop isn't going to order one for the floor sounds like.

If M/L wasn't selling maybe they should've kept the sizing jumps the same as if it did then, instead of such a huge jump from L to XL compared to other size jumps

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JVP
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I'm also 6'2" and 100% agree with you on sizing. I just can't stand 510mm reach bikes, went that far and found my limit. You wouldn't think 10mm is a big deal, but it is to me on the large end. I can go down below my ideal 500 pretty easily, but can't go over by much and keep that fun factor. 

I've learned to index reach on new bikes to my perfect 2019 patrol. Gotta adjust by 4mm for every 10mm that the stack grows to compare apples to apples. I'm such a dork.

I also opted to go a little smaller in reach/wheelbase when I bought my full fat ebike. They're already so stable, I decided to err on the playful side.

It's hard to find stuff in the 490-500mm reach size. Most brands seem to jump from 480 to 510.

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roil
+1 Konrad

I like the idea of this bike, but DJI and ZF's new motors are going to make lightweight ebikes redundant. 

A 5mm increase in chainstay length while the front jumps 30-40mm is paying lip service to the concept of size specific chainstays.

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kos
+1 4Runner1 Zero-cool BarryW

I have no need or want for a Slash, but I would LOVE it if Trek slides this bigger battery into the next Fuel EX-e.

I'll never be a total e-biker, but aging knees indicate that there may be ONE in my future.

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syncro
+1 Dogl0rd

I think it would be interesting for NSMB to run a story/poll on the future of ebikes. In particular I'd like to see a question on whether people who are anti-ebike, or at least not pro-ebike, would feel if someone produced an enduro style bike (160mm+) that weighed in under 37lbs and was priced up to max $10K. Think like a Chilcotin 170mm for $10K CDN with a small motor and battery capable of being good for 2-3 laps up Fromme. Would they be interested in buying such a bike or would it still be pedal only?

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BarryW
-4 lev3000 rolly Sandy James Oates Suns_PSD

It's interesting you think it's a 'how much power' question when it's more about one is a bicycle, one is motorized and therefore not a bicycle. 

Again, not claiming they aren't fun, or an interesting recreation. Just claiming they are not the same sport as riding bicycles. I'm here for bicycle, not motorcycle.

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syncro
+2 tmoore Suns_PSD

It’s because I feel most people aren’t so black and white about the issue.

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GB
0 Cr4w BarryW LWK Nick Meulemans Kelownakona Zero-cool

https://talariacanada.com/sting-r-mx4-expert/

Honest to God I would rather get this . 11,000$  .

They are both electric motor bikes . One is gutless with pedals.  The cheaper one has a far greater fun factor . Imo. 

This is not a dis at E bikes . This is a honest opinion of what I want in an electric motor bike . 

Eagle mountain and Sumas have exelent trails for such a bike . I would use mine to explore foresty roads on the island and the interior.  And I would have 5000$ left in my pocket .

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Jotegir
0

What a weird contraption.  The "colour choice" is hilarious.

Edit: I think that thing might be illegal to use off private property. Do they give you the requisite paperwork to register with ICBC?  If not, you wouldn't be allowed to use it on Eagle and Sumas. With kids ripping up our local mountain bike trails on surons, most people who'd get one of these probably don't care. And since you said you wanted to ride it on forestry roads, you need to get ICBC to insure it too.

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GB
+1 BarryW

Eagle and Sumas mountain have legitimate motor bike trails built and maintained by motor cyclist . The trails are legit single track .

Wiked dirt bike jump park in Hope too.

I would most certainly inquire about a license and plates . Insurance would be cheap I assume.  

I would absolutely love to ride to the ferry terminal,  insured with plates , lights everything legal . First on first off the ferry . Never a sailing wait . Charge up the bike on the island . 

Realy there are no  police enforcing dirt bike laws on forestry roads on the island . but it is paramount to know the rules , where active logging is taking place . Respecting gates . Yes all of the south of Vancouver Island is private land all of it . 

Surons are cheap toys generally ridden by novice beginners. 

I'm looking at legitimate electric , endurostyle, dirt bikes . Range is a huge concern . With the Talaria I could stash a spare battery at half way to increase range .

Range on a meat powered bike . Endless . 

Food for thought .

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Jotegir
+1 UMichael

>  Yes all of the south of Vancouver Island is private land all of it . 

Shout-out to our boy Lord Dunsmuir

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craw
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kamloops_rider
+3 BarryW Dogl0rd Zero-cool

Excellent - coming to a trail network near you!  These types of ebikes (Surrons) are starting to pop up in my area.  Definitely a concerning trend.

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lev3000
0 Zero-cool BarryW

We see Surrons on trails here in the UK and it’s always illegal. Most Surrons are used in cities to steal people’s phones and out run the police. Can’t stand the things. Always ridden by crims and chavs.

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Zero-cool
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This, I’ve ridden Surrons on private land (my parent’s farm) and they are great fun, but unfortunately they are cropping up on MTB trails and trail centres and upsetting the people who have the power to get MTBs banned.  They are also ridden around towns illegally on both roads and cycle paths/footpaths and unfortunately are used for a lot of crime and antisocial behaviour. Which is a shame because the news just reports them as e-bikes which does MTB no favours.

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Zero-cool
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And in the UK they are a large problem both on and off road.  Upsetting landowners and the people who have the vocal power to get trample closed and make access problems for e-bikes and regular MTBers.

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xy9ine
0

no idea of the quality (doesn't look terrible at a glance & has maguras & dorados), but wild they can produce such things @ half the price.

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Jotegir
+1 Zero-cool

I'm sure the 28 pound battery is doing some heavy lifting in the price department!

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xy9ine
+3 GB BarryW Mark

for sure. bicycles have just distorted my sense of value. i'm constantly surprised by how cheap (relatively speaking) motos seem. (oooh, ninja zx4-rr for ~the same price as the base slash...).

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BarryW
+1 Andy Eunson Peter Leeds LWK Joseph Crabtree Cr4w Konrad Dogl0rd 4Runner1 turd_alert tmoore DancingWithMyself lev3000 Zero-cool

I appreciate the honesty here, if we're talking about motorcycles let's at least make them good. 

The legal loophole of 'human powered' has created this ridiculous space of mopeds but everyone riding them wants more power and more range. 

Seems they all just want to maximize the motorcycle aspect and only suffer the bicycle aspect to gain access to trails they never should have accessed.

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Gdreej
+2 4Runner1 Kos tmoore Sandy James Oates Joseph Crabtree Dogl0rd

Barry, the horse is long past deceased. Not even a skeleton or any organic material left, merely a patch of bleached grass from your never ending stream of piss for eBikes.

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Polymath
+5 BarryW LWK Joseph Crabtree Jerry Willows Dogl0rd Tim Couch_Surfer 4Runner1 tmoore

His sentiment is more popular than you may think.  This site's moniker of being North Shore Motor Bike is not wrong.

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BarryW
+2 Joseph Crabtree Konrad Dogl0rd Tim Peter Leeds 4Runner1 lev3000 Zero-cool

So Graham, what that I said was incorrect or 'wrong'?

And yeah, North Shore Motorcycle Bikes is it? Seems more and more. 

And if that's Cam's choice so be it. I'll just go elsewhere that isn't pro-moped. But for now I'm making my opinion clear as a regular reader and a reason for advertisers to make the site profitable. I want bicycle content, not motorized vehicle content.

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XXX_er
+1 4Runner1 Graham Driedger tmoore lev3000 Zero-cool Dogl0rd Tim Couch_Surfer Peter Leeds

You don't get to dictate content so they let you have your opinion such as it is, the rest of us have been waiting for  you to leave for some time,  don't let the door hit your ass on the way out

lev3000
-1 tmoore Zero-cool BarryW Peter Leeds GB

Cam, don’t be bullied by the minority of people who make it their days mission to moan about eMTBs. They seriously need to get a life.

Zero-cool
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When you leave please take your negativity with you and stop gate keeping MTB.

syncro
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Barry, you've committed what's generally known as the false cause fallacy, or more specifically the fallacy of composition in assuming that all ebike riders want the same things. That's the reason I asked my question earlier and said that everyone is not so black and white in their thinking like you are.

Kelownakona
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To be fair I think Trek are making bikes for a wider scope of people (like the rest of the world)  than for just you wanting a bike to ride at 2 locations.

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XXX_er
-1 BarryW

a whole lota $$$$$ IMO, I duno about the whole midpower thing but IME just buy the lowest spec  long travel full power E-bike. It will be 52 lbs but with the 85 nm of motor you don't have to care about money or weight or anything really including whether or not you can ride them cuz they are class1 and legal

Localy its class 1 E bikes only

class 2 or 3 or  Surons or horses not allowed

the 50 or 60 something guys I know are getting class 1 E-bikes or want to

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Suns_PSD
-4 Kos 4Runner1 Joseph Crabtree Kenny DancingWithMyself Sandy James Oates

This bike looks great to me and as someone that has a few years of pedaling my AM bikes around on steepish terrain but have been on a Relay for the last 16 months (along with my pedal bike), I truly feel that using a pedal bike to ride AM terrain is sort of silly. I mean, 90% ride time climbing really does sort of suck.

Regarding the DJI: 1) it's going to be at least 2 years till we see it and wait for the real-world reviews before casting judgement. Right now, it's just ad copy. 2) Full power e-bikes inherently alter the experience and make the climbs not really the challenging event that it was on a bike or even a mid-power. Full power e-bikes really reduce the climbing portion of the ride to just 'let's get this over with as quickly as possible' and for me, makes the ride a bit boring.

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BarryW
-2 Konrad Suns_PSD 4Runner1 turd_alert Kos lev3000

So you're saying that as these reach higher power levels they become more and more motorcycle? Seems fairly obvious...

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craw
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You have AM rides that are 90% climbing? How does that work?

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LoamtoHome
+4 BarryW DancingWithMyself Zero-cool Suns_PSD

I think it's 90% of the time climbing

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Suns_PSD
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Well, I guess you have to understand math and average speeds for it to 'work'.

I did it for years, long slow climbs following by way too brief descents. I loved it at the time truly, but just don't miss it at all any longer.

Certainly, I love my bike on undulating trails but on AM/ Enduro type riding I MUCH prefer my Relay. I still work hard; I just no longer spend 90% of my time climbing. It's probably 65% of my time now. MUCH better ratio, for me.

I did try the full power thing but then the climbs just became a power race, not just a little help. It wasn't dangerous or anything as speeds are still pretty slow, it's just a large portion of the ride became rather boring.

You are a better man than me if you can keep the power level turned down, even as the climbs get tough, on your e-bike.

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syncro
+1 Suns_PSD

@Suns_PSD

For some context, around here (S2S) 45-60min of climbing will typically yield about 15-20min of down time, so it's more like around 75% time spent climbing. I think it really depends on what the down is like and whether you're doing more of a social ride or a pin it to win it ride.

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4Runner1
+2 lev3000 Sandy James Oates Zero-cool BarryW

That’s why there are different modes. Make it as hard or easy as one wants.

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Zero-cool
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Some of us have always hated the climbing part of riding, but don’t have access to uplifts or chair lifts where we are. I don’t own one, but am all for e-bikes. But alas I will have to save a bit longer to get one.

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