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A couple of weeks ago I drove up the Sea to Sky for my annual jaunt to Crankworx. It was the first time in over a decade that I attended as a casual observer with no real responsibilities. After my mandatory stop at Alice and Brohm for my strawberry cone I continued winding my way north. The hypnotizing rocking left and right of the curves of the road felt familiar and I wondered how many times I’d made that drive. 300? 500? While deep in thought the cars in front of me suddenly slammed on their brakes. I thought perhaps a bear was in the road, but as I crept closer, I saw a vehicle had crossed the center line and smashed head-first into the rock wall on the northbound side of the road. There was an entire stump sticking out of the windshield. A few younger guys stood around the vehicle. They looked calm. Numb. I didn’t want to gawk too much because I didn’t want to see what might be still inside the vehicle. It felt weird to lurk, even though traffic was at a standstill and I had a front-row seat. It put me in a strange mood that lingered during that very brief, 48-hour trip into the wild world of Crankworx. It felt oddly reminiscent of the bike industry.

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Whistler is a vortex on the most normal of days, so going during Crankworx is like entering another dimension. I used to be a pro at this game. For many, many years I was the lucky renter of a house in the Snowy Creek neighborhood, which is about as close as you can get to the village without actually being in the village, as Snowy Creek technically sits on the Blackcomb base. The Excalibur Gondola flies right over the roof of the complex and it was about a two-minute walk from the front door to the old Fitz lift. Better yet, the Fitzsimmons Creek ran between the house and the village so the white noise blocked out the constant repeat of Brittany Spears's “Toxic” that pulsed out of the Longhorn. Anyone who’s been going to Crankwrox long enough knows that the noise never stops, and finding solace from the mayhem is an art.

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From the old awesome non-rental rental in Whistler circa 2011. Photo by Paris Gore

Back in those days, I'd show up on the first Friday of the event, try to sneak in a lap on the trail du-jour before it got inevitably hammered by the enduro traffic, and enjoy the slow build-up to the main event of Joyride a week later. That Snowy Creek house was something special. The owner never asked for a dime. Instead, he preferred I donate $2,000 to either Planned Parenthood or Habitat for Humanity. Anyone who’s tried to rent a place in Whistler that can sleep 10 people knows that $2,000 for 10 days is absolutely bonkers cheap. I gladly made my donations in the name of women’s rights and the house became a landing zone for my fellow colleagues and our athletes. Eric Porter, Carson Storch, and Kelly McGarry crashed there during my Diamondback Days. The crew from Transition regularly called it home. Coaches, racers, media squids—we all found a place to relax and unwind amidst the chaos of the week.

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Parking bikes in the non-rental rental was a proper game of Jenga.

But all good things must come to an end and one year when I inquired about using the house again, I was told it was no longer an option. The owner’s family was reclaiming it for the week and just like that our seven-year run was over. It was the end of an era. I found myself having to pay exorbitant amounts of money for shoddy hotel rooms shared with three other people, stuffing bikes in elevators, and trying to figure out where the heck to park our cars. It was the last time I tried to pull off a longer stint at Crankworx.

A season or two later the pandemic hit and the world stopped. Borders were closed. Going to Whistler became a thing of the past and I learned how to pedal my bike and fell in love with the local Bellingham trails. Even when the border reopened, I no longer craved the bike park. My love for Whistler had evolved to appreciate what it offered, but no longer did I desire weekend after weekend of lift-serviced riding. Maybe that’s what they call “growing up” or “maturing.” Either way, when Crankworx was back on the docket I had mixed feelings and a lack of motivation to return.

The pandemic changed things. It changed the bike industry (and the outdoor industry in general) in a myriad of ways, and it also changed me. I got a first-hand look at the ugly side of the business and the way it was handled. My respect for the industry was eroded by the confluence of poor decision-making, greed, and the swooping in of private equity wanting to make a quick buck. (The joke’s on them.) We watched companies get greedy, owners get rich, and then we watched them fire their staff because they somehow thought their golden ticket to success would last forever. I’m still scratching my head at the lack of foresight that occurred seemingly industry-wide. Like, duh. Did you really think it would last forever?

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Actual image of (name your brand) bike company during the pandemic.

I love bikes. I love riding them, I love the community they foster, and I love the sense of adventure they enable us all to have—whether you’re riding for eight hours or eight miles. We get to pilot these freedom machines. It's a universal joy. The industry lost sight of that during the pandemic. What should have been a magical, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to welcome new people into the sport turned into a price-gouging elitist shitshow. I’m mad and disappointed. It feels like a giant letdown. The industry could have created an atmosphere that welcomed people from different walks of life; could have said, “There’s a place here for you. You can learn, grow, and be a part of something incredible!” With so many people craving an escape to the outdoors it had so much potential. It could have lowered the barrier to entry. Instead, prices were inflated. Priority was put on moving high-dollar bikes instead of the gateway bikes that people can maybe, actually afford.

Then the air got let out of the balloon and the industry hit the crisis stage. It went from a full, energetic sphere to a flaccid, deflated shell of itself. Many of those new riders struggled to find a sense of belonging because we failed to give them a sense of community. Instead, we told them to buy the fanciest stuff, ride the gnarliest trails, and get pitted man. So pitted. The market became flooded with used bikes and poorly spec’d entry-level models that manufacturers were sitting on. Shops faced an inventory crisis as brands flushed the product out of their warehouses and into brick-and-mortar stores. You all know the story. You watched the market crest and crash--the balloons all fly around in chaos and then land in a soggy pile.

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Actual image of the bike industry welcoming new riders during the pandemic.

The industry deflation plays out in ways that are less obvious too. During my lurking, I paid close attention to who was working for the brands. It was the same person in almost every booth. It was the 40 or 50-something-year-old dude that has worked there forever. He’s just a bit grayer now. He still wears the uniform: black shirt, black hat, black socks. He knows all the bros. He's still cool enough to hang at Sushi Village and fast enough to hang on the group rides. Do you know who was markedly absent on the brand side? The women. Where are all the ladies? The gender disparity was wild. It wasn’t always like this. There were women that used to be the faces of brands. They were a part of that world, but they’ve either left the industry for greener pastures or have moved into less public-facing roles. It felt lonely. I wanted to see more women and chat with them about their experiences, their paths, and what they see for the future.*

I feel like the bike industry is at a tipping point. More women are pushing to compete in freeride events. New pathways are being opened up for competition. Apparel companies seem to get it and are making more and more clothes tailored to women. But the bike companies seem to be trailing behind. It’s still a challenge to find small-sized downhill bikes. In my experience, small bikes from all disciplines sell out fast because companies don’t make enough (or any). The longer, lower, slacker evolution left shorter-stature riders behind. When women are rarely in the booths to speak on behalf of brands and smaller bikes are elusive it leaves the industry looking like a place for dudes by dudes.

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Actual image of the bike industry.

I was hoping to leave Crankworx feeling inspired about the future of the industry. Instead, I left feeling sad. There is a wave of women knocking at the door to be let in. The competitions are happening. The progression is in front of your face. The media are giving women a platform. The women are stepping up and SENDING. The industry representation? That still has a long, long way to go, and it’s not getting easier. I was one of the faces of bike brands for a decade. I tried to bring more women into our athlete programs, ambassadorships, and staffing. I know the women who are working for brands are still trying to pave the way, but we need everyone on board. There are lots of talented ladies who want to be a part of this world, but they don’t look like the boys who have been doing it forever. Perhaps that scares brands because it’s different. Unknown. Companies do what they’ve always done because it’s easy, and why change something that isn’t broken?

Except, maybe it is broken. Maybe doing it the same way forever for the sake of complacency is uncreative and a part of why brands are struggling to move product. Most bike marketing looks the same. How many high-speed, basic shredits can we cram down our throats? Maybe bringing in someone with a different opinion on what’s cool and how to create unique storytelling could be refreshing. Perhaps it would get new eyes on the bikes and products, and introduce brands to unknown riders who actually totally fucking shred but have never been given the spotlight. I belong to a few networking groups that are chock full of women looking to crack into the outdoor industry, but they aren’t getting callbacks because they don’t know anyone at the companies. Yet, they’re brilliant. They’re different. Maybe it’s time to let them in. Companies can always go back to the same old thing if it doesn’t work out, right?

I left Crankworx feeling like those guys staring at the car crash. Numb. A bit confused. Glad I wasn’t the driver, but hopeful it’ll all be ok for everyone along for the ride.

*There were, of course, exceptions and there were a few women working for brands at Crankworx. But, on the whole, it was a tiny portion of the workforce. And yes, I know, Crankworx is only one event and not necessarily indicative of the bike industry as a whole.

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craw
+14 taprider Adrian Bostock LWK araz Velocipedestrian Cooper Quinn Blofeld lewis collins bushtrucker Freewheelingfiend cshort7 Kelyn Mcintosh fartymarty vunugu

Not to make this all about me but this whole sport/community is super lonely if you're not a M/L white tacoma bro brah. I've made my peace with it since it's clearly not capable of meaningful large scale cultural change but I am thankful that after 30 years it's starting to produce barely a handful of good XXL bikes - the only thing I can't really live without. 

There is limited appetite to address the male whiteness thing and that's fine. I'll go find community elsewhere. I'd rather be in solitude out on my bike than lonely in a crowd of these interchangeable stepford bros.

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taprider
+3 Velocipedestrian Frorider fartymarty

"interchangeable stepford bros"

lol

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Freewheelingfiend
+2 Abies Cr4w

Nailed it there, the industries main push during covid was to try and swap out a few white male faces on their websites for something more diverse when in reality The actual barriers to entry in the sport are mostly economic, and especially so now that full ride sponsorship are a thing of the past, at least 1/3rd if not more of the field in DH and Enduro are there because they can afford it, not because they are the best in the world. 

The majority of the mtb media is also still exactly the same guys who were the "young dudes" 20 years ago, and all that has happened is that the old heads who really knew their shit have packed up and moved on, and we're left with an industry where most of the press are just suckling the teat of the big names with no actual opinions to be found anywhere. 

I think the feeling of the dead industry has only really reared it's head the yank/canuck side of the pond the last few years but it has felt like this on the euro side for about the last decade.

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ReformedRoadie
+13 T0m Alex_L GB Andy Eunson cheapondirt DadStillRides thaaad dave_f Kos bushtrucker Metacomet RobertAxleProject Skooks

Are we lamenting the lack of women in an industry that is notorious for low wages?   Maybe women are just smarter...

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jhtopilko
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people generally avoid the work they can.

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Ziggy
+12 tmoore DancingWithMyself handsomedan lewis collins ChristopherO Pete Roggeman Andy Eunson cshort7 WestCoastCanuck fartymarty AJ Barlas Freewheelingfiend

I think that if mountain biking became much more about community, being in nature and skills progression rather than this obsessive focus on expensive marginal gains in equipment and aggressive Red Bull marketing we’d all be in a better place. I’m guessing that right now about 90%+ of our money goes into equipment. What would it look like if we spent half on equipment and the other half on trails that catered to everyone, skills classes, festivities and trips? I think this version of mountain biking would be a lot more appealing to women, kids and people of color. Right now it’s all so myopic. I hereby renounce my latest upgrade plans and will instead spend the money on a skills clinic and make a donation to my local trail maintenance club. Thank you Lacy for inspiring me!

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Timer
+2 Andy Eunson Abies Freewheelingfiend WestCoastCanuck

I fully agree that money is better spent on trails and coaching/guiding than on equipment. 

What I don’t agree with is a focus on skill progression. There is already a lot of emphasis on speed, big features and competitive behaviour. Unlike many other sports, lots of trails are gated by high skill requirements. 

For many people I know, especially women, that is actually a huge turn off in our sport.

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Ziggy
+18 Lacy Kemp ClydeRide Velocipedestrian Pete Roggeman Andy Eunson Mammal Konrad Geof Harries taprider BarryW WestCoastCanuck fartymarty Abies vunugu shutter2ride Skooks Spencer Nelson StranjBikes

I see your point and agree that a ride culture focused on ever greater danger challenges is off putting to a lot of people that might otherwise find mountain biking appealing. On the other hand, I don’t think it necessarily has to follow that skills progression equals speed, big features and competitive behavior. 

Here is a recent anecdote from my life that I believe makes my point: I’m climbing a low grade moderately rocky blue trail with a few tight tricky switchbacks and some mandatory wheel lifts over rock ledges. I get passed by a young guy- no greeting or announcement as he speedily and skillfully leaves me in his dust. I continue the climb, make it to the top and this guy is not up there and likely already at the bottom of the downhill. Cool. I’m just chilling up there and enjoying the post exertion feel goodies. A couple minutes later I hear breathing and soon see a young lady pushing her bike up and over the short rocky section right before the top. She isn’t smiling. Her head is down. Upon noticing me she quickly looks up and puts a pained smile on her face and says “Hi”. She then asks me if I happened to notice where her boyfriend might have gone as she was close enough to him previously to witness him pass me on the climb. I tell her I have no clue so she asks me if I might know an easy way out as she was feeling way over her head and her boyfriend knew the network and she’d never been here before. Needless to say I was happy to help her with a route. She thanked me and then proceeded to compliment me on how she noticed I’d climbed the trail. She made it clear that she wasn’t interested in going fast but found the way that I smoothly navigated the rocks and switchbacks really appealing. She wanted to know where she could learn to ride like that and specifically contrasted my way of riding with how her boyfriend rides- serious, aggressive, scary doubles etc. This was what she’d been shown by him to be mountain biking. She might’ve loved this guy but clearly didn’t enjoy mountain biking with him. She then told me she had been crying on the climb and was seriously considering quitting.

Man did my heart melt for this gal! I felt incredibly honored to be complimented by her and a strong desire to do something to help. My advice to her was to forget about riding with the boyfriend for now and really focus inward on what exactly she wanted her mountain bike experience to be. I passed on the wisdom of practicing stuff in a super safe controlled environment before trying things out on the trail. Finally,I suggested a lady coach in our area who does monthly beginner rides. She left with a smile, hope and an easy cruise down a fire road. 

I hope this story makes my point of view clearer.

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lacykemp
+4 ClydeRide Geof Harries BarryW WestCoastCanuck

This brings me joy. Thanks for being an awesome steward of the sport.

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taprider
+1 Velocipedestrian ClydeRide WestCoastCanuck

@Ziggy "I see your point and agree that a ride culture focused on ever greater danger challenges is off putting to a lot of people that might otherwise find mountain biking appealing"

Off putting to a lot of males too.

In other outdoor sports with more balanced gender ratios, one can find skill and physical challenges without high consequence.  Too bad more mtn bikers don't look forward to technical climbs, such that our sport could be more of a kindred spirit with sport/rock climbing (especially top roping) rather than motocross.

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taprider
0 ClydeRide WestCoastCanuck

PS  How macho and dangerous an activity is stereotyped, has little to do with how messed the aging survivors' bodies are. Compare ballet dancers to rodeo riders for example.

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peterk
0 Andy Eunson ClydeRide

I am confused about how the "it's all about the down" trends in MTB have made their way to beginners. It's not uncommon to go to some place blessed with the full variety of flatter trails (perhaps a nordic skiing area) as well as climbs and descents and come across a couple of beginners pushing their bikes up the hill, looking for some downhill that doesn't exist without a whole lot more pushing. Getting to the "down" involves climbing first, doing work against one of the four fundamental forces in the universe: gravity. 

E bikes make that easier, but who is going to drop $6000+ for something rideable when they are just getting into the sport? We need to divert some of that disposable income to making easier trails or let gravel be the saviour to MTB...

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DaveSmith
+11 Pete Roggeman Adrian Bostock Cr4w Mammal Andy Eunson lewis collins Graham Driedger Tjaard Breeuwer cshort7 BarryW vunugu

The wisdom of Jeff Bridges from a recent podcast listen.

He spoke of Trim-Tabbing as a metaphor for effecting change in life - the engineers responsible for figuring out how to steer large container ships realized that a single large rudder couldn't do the job because of the force that needed to be exerted. They realized that by installing a smaller rudder within the large rudder they could effect a large change in direction. 

Keep trim-tabbing, Lacy. It's gonna continue to be slow turning the rusty old bro-ship.

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mtnfriend
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What was the podcast, Dave?

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ClydeRide
+5 Velocipedestrian Niels van Kampenhout Kerry Williams tashi GB

As another middle aged white male, I’ve gotta say that it isn’t about the shred. When I teach beginner and intermediate classes, I emphasize to the students that THEY get to decide what mountain biking is for THEM.  I want to know what they aspire to ride and help them achieve it. But it doesn’t have to be about going fast or going big.

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GB
+4 Sandy James Oates hotlapz Kerry Williams tashi

Mountain bikers are friendly engaging beautiful human beings. 

The bike industry for the most part  is a bunch of pimps telling us what we need . The marketing is a bad joke . Aggressive geometry,  smashing berms and this is what the pros ride . 

In the real world . Out on the trails . Not much aggressive riding going on or berm smashing . No one sets up there bike like a pro because  It's not what the majority of us mountainbikers want or do .

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Freewheelingfiend
+1 Timer

One thing that has become a truly weird shift in the industry is the focus on everyone needing to be "Fast" and what that lead to. 

Up until about 2010 I seem to remember the concept of "Super bikes" and the fact that there was definitely a separation between "Pro" bikes and normal bikes in terms of geometry and features. The bizarre notion that everyone wanted to be a racer seems to have lead to companies selling their race bikes as flagship bikes in their range, and not making bikes that 80% of riders actually want and need.

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sweaman2
+3 Niels van Kampenhout handsomedan fartymarty

Good article.  The thing that makes me wonder in this context is - where is more industry growth going to come from? (Which, for better or for worse from a trail usage perspective, is what companies are likely caring about). 

The pale and male (and I say that as a 45 year old white middle class representative) market is surely approaching saturation even with n+2 e-bike and gravel so you would think that aiming at other demographics would be beneficial but..... {shrugs}. Old dog, new tricks?

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lacykemp
+5 Andy Eunson fartymarty Morgan Heater AJ Barlas mtnfriend

Great question. I think that's why I landed on selling good bikes with an ok spec for not many thousands of dollars. I will say that I feel strongly that Kona did this well for a long time. Their hardtail lineup had lots of offerings for the new user. Great gateway bikes if you will. I live in a bubble and have come to understand that many "mountain bikers" won't ride on terrain that we have in the PNW/BC area. It tends to be WAY mellower and these big fancy 7k bikes are just total overkill. Don't get me wrong, they're cool AF and I love them, but there is a huge market that sees those and thinks that's all there is.

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velocipedestrian
+3 cheapondirt Blofeld fartymarty

As yet another mid-40s white dude, I really felt Lacy's line - "no longer did I desire weekend after weekend of lift-serviced riding. Maybe that’s what they call “growing up” or “maturing.”" 

We (stale, pale males) are the core demographic due to history and income. The riding most of us do is not represented in the shredits, but it remains aspirational. Our replacements, both literally and figuratively our children are riding like this, and will age into the income bracket to continue the cycle. 

The key myth we're being sold has a kernel of truth - there are a couple of years, say 29~31 when youthful bodies have the disposable income to combine the superbikes with greenstick bones and bring the dream to life. It's only a valid long-term strategy for the companies because there's always a fresh batch coming up, and once they're hooked they'll keep spending on the nostalgiaspiration for years. 

I applaud your efforts to inject a more human-centrist mode into capitalism Lacy, sadly it's an uphill battle on aging knees without a motor.

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Timer
+1 Skooks

The growth might come from the children of all those 40-something riders. The first generation that grew up with Mtb from a very early age.

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Abies
+3 Niels van Kampenhout fartymarty mtnfriend

I think the marketing focus on riding the most aggressive trails on very expensive bikes absolutely hurts the wider appeal of mountain biking. I know most folks here are in BC and focused on riding technical terrain, which I also enjoy, having lived in Oregon and Washington and ridden in BC a fair amount, but I also think about how when I first got into mountain biking in ~2007 the hot thing in my region was rigid 29ers and XC riding. I had tons of friends buying those steel rigid redline monocogs  or Kona Units and having a blast. I think they started at like $400, and the type of riding was more adventure-focused than big terrain. It was pretty easy to get a lot of my college friends, of all genders, to give the sport a try when it was low-stakes and accessible. 

These days, I see a similar openness and accessibility in a lot of gravel biking and more alternative cycling scenes. You can make fun of Radavist-style bikes all you want, but in my experience those spaces have a much higher proportion of queer, women, and POC than mountain biking does.

I'm on the board of our local trail group and our small system is somewhat PNW-like with a lot of steep, technical, natural trails. That's what most of us who ride a lot and volunteer our time enjoy riding. But we've also recognized a community need for easy and beginner trails, and have invested a ton of time and money (not that we have much) into creating a beginner hill with machine-built green loops. We're also trying to organize more family-focused events to get kids out on the trails, and show up at the farmers market with repair tools to help fix up bikes. I think it all adds up, and I love seeing people out on trails we've built on old hardtails they dusted off from their garage, and kids having a blast on rollers.

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fartymarty
+2 taprider Abies

I think you've nailed it on the DeGnarification of the sport that rigid bikes can help with.  Modern long travel shreduro bikes make up for a ton of user inability and let people ride things that are well above their pay grades. Put the same people on a HT or rigid bike and they would struggle.

Rigid bikes require a more considered approach to riding and are a ton more accessible cost wise and still a ton of fun. 

Decrease the tech, increase the accessibility.

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Abies
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I agree but I think having access to easy trails is the other side of the coin. Not everyone is going to enjoy riding tech on a rigid bike, but they might like it on a mellow green trail. What we're really striving for in our local system is a wide variety of trails that can cater to everyone, and as riders progress they can hit harder trails. Or not, if they don't want to!

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fartymarty
+2 Abies Skooks

Fair point.  A good mix of trails is the key - kinda like a good indoor climbing centre with lots of routes and progression from easy to advanced.

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lefthandlewis
+2 T0m Cr4w Sandy James Oates jhtopilko

Excellent article. I really hope the momentum that’s been driving the women’s freeride recently finds its way further and wider in the industry.

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voodoobike
0 DadStillRides Kos Kerry Williams chaidach Jotegir handsomedan

Seems to be lots of misconception of the pandemic boom and correction which we are facing now. I say correction because many knew the boom was to end at some point. Currently the industry is at about was it was before the pandemic when almost literally everyone wanted to get out on a bike. The comments in this story, that this was caused by greed and some are getting rich is pretty much not true. Anyone who actually works in the industry... not events or local stuff... that is going to Asia and slogs away at producing bikes knows what I'm saying here. Companies have to place orders with suppliers, again mostly in Asia, years ahead of time so there's a long lag time before it gets to consumers. Usually when the products are loaded on a container ship it's paid for, yet sometimes not. The whole supply chain is fragile as anyone who knows how basic commerce functions even more so as the pandemic played out. Now we have inventories that are over-stocked and not moving as fast as usual... and stuff being sold for often less than the cost it took to get to warehouses in the North America and all other the planet. This is not greed but reality of working to make it happen in the hyper competitive bicycle industry.

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Jotegir
+4 Konrad Mike Ferrentino Couch_Surfer Timer handsomedan voodoobike

Sure, there's macroeconomic realities that are more at play than things like greed. Lacy's argument  is not that greed _caused_ the bust we now face. I think you missed the point. My understanding is that she's admonishing reprehensible conduct. Instead of a rising tide raising all ships, corporate greed and pure, unadulterated capitalisms instead meant companies attitude rapidly shifted to "Fuck you, got mine" when the target of the "Fuck you" was often the staff enabling those companies to make money or the smaller brands adding colour to the place. 

But boy howdy was greed present. The increased profits absolutely led to widespread unprecedented greed across the industry. Everybody was as busy as they'd ever been, selling stuff at full margin, and selling everything. And it was really hard on the people actually do the selling/manufacturing/wrenching/etc. So what did suppliers do? Gut staff deals. What did shops do? Cancel staff vacations to keep them selling. What did brands do? Strong-arm OEMs into screwing over smaller brands by forcing them to give them stuff later or prevent them from supplying smaller brands at all. What did OEMs do? Tell small brands that the only way they were getting forks and shocks was if they did a run of their bikes without shift ports. All of these things actually happened.  It took all the 'life' out of a 'lifestyle' industry. 

Did the greed have some impact on where brands ended up now? I think so. I think it did colour some companies' decision making for better or worse. It has to, that's capitalism. It's inherent to the system. Did it mean those companies don't exist? No, probably not. Not on its own. But maybe some ended up better than others because their judgment was less clouded by that greed than others.

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andy-eunson
+5 Stretch Konrad WestCoastCanuck Timer handsomedan

Yeah. I find it curious how people complain about inflation in general put the blame on the government. But who put the prices up? During Covid we were told shipping costs went up because of fuel prices and that impacted just about everything consumers bought. Who put up fuel prices? OPEC? To keep their profits up? Government policies can certainly affect inflation but at the end of the day, it’s always corporations that increase prices and maybe keep wages low to maintain profits. \it was reported that Fox sales are down, Shimano profits have dropped but I think they are still making a profit. 

It’s that deeply held corporate belief that all businesses must grow and profits must always increase. On a planet with finite resources that is truly insane.

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voodoobike
-7 ClydeRide Konrad WestCoastCanuck Timer handsomedan grenade187 mtnfriend

Boy howdy, accusing bike companies of greed seems pretty ridiculous when there are amazing deals to be had right now.

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Jotegir
+3 Lacy Kemp Andy Eunson Skooks

Yes, I'm sure the amazing deals that companies are offering right now are entirely to do with the goodness of their c-suite hearts and nothing to do with profit maximization in the face of having too much stock.

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peterk
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the main greed I see in the bike industry is in mid-range bikes. Back in the day the $2000 hardtails (or $3000 FS) would have name brand hubs that you could actually get parts for and not plastic SRAM drivetrains, aluminum forks with adjustments. Now, adjust for inflation and endemic upgrades like tubeless rims/tires, dropper posts, through axles, clutch RDs, and the $3000 HT's, $4000FS still need more money spent on them to make them durable. 

Then there's the age old fixating on price point targets where adding an extra $50 to the price would get better wheels (butted spokes, welded rims, better drivetrain). Instead the customer will have to spend hundreds of dollars to make those upgrades that would have only been a nominal price increase on the complete bike.

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dave_f
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The voices I hear/read (including on this site) seem to be coming from that singular described demographic (with the exception of one community I follow). Apart from the outlier, are there places you can recommend where a discourse takes place?

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AndyJK
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I agree on the lack of small bikes.  I bought a 2016 Norco Aurum in small due to modern bikes being too long for a 13 year old.  Nothing much available for a resonable price (Santa Cruz doesn't count as reasonable).

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lacykemp
+1 mtnfriend

I always say this: Everyone is a small at some point in their life...

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