Review
The 2025 Propain Spindrift 5 AL Factory
The Whistler Effect
Crankworx is always a good time to get a spoohful of 'hey can you ride this bike a couple of laps and write a review' soup. The Whistler Bike Park definitely is an invaluable asset for a gear editor to bang out as many laps as possible on a variety of terrain, and get a good understanding of how a bike works. Tens of thousands of feet of descending in a day on some of the most demanding and changing terrain in the world is no problem.
Propain in Canada
The Propain Spindrift has been the company's long legged Freeride bike for some time. In Canada, our access to Propain's bikes has been quite limited. While they sponsor a very influential Squamish-based athlete, product availability has been near zero. While the rest of the world has been enjoying them, we have been watching from the sidelines, losing interest over time. The German brand's marketing team gave me the opportunity to ride the revised Spindrift 5 AL in the Whistler Bike Park and on Mt. Seymour to figure out the capabilities of the 180mm "freeride" bike.
Spindrift 5 CF, AL and Park
There are 3 new bikes actually. While my focus will be primarily on the Spindrift 5 AL Factory we are testing, it is worth mentioning that the platform is divided into 3 categories that are a little different from one another.
The Propain Spindrift 5 is a 180/180mm travel freeride, super enduro, park bike depending on the material and model you choose. While the carbon version can be purchased with mix wheel sizes in S, M, L and XL the Alloy version can be had with full 27.5 in S,M and L, mixed wheel or full 29" versions in M, L and XL.
This is most likely due to the completely different frame shapes and kinematics between the Carbon and Alloy.
While both frame options are 180mm rear travel, the alloy bike is also available in the Park version with a 200mm dual crown fork. There are no obvious geometry adjustments to be seen on the alloy bike, so the geometry numbers will be different for every iteration of the Spindrift.
Propain places the Carbon frame in a super enduro race bike box to differentiate the models. The slightly lower progression and higher anti-squat values produce a better pedaling and a more spritely platform compared to the highly progressive and lower anti-squat alloy bike. From the looks (and the trail feel) of it, the alloy bike has close to 40% progression for the 65mm stroke shock. It is no surprise the Spindrift is a coil shock primary bike that can tap into the high traction up top and resistance to bottom out at the end of the travel. The tester in the house had an air-sprung Fox Float X2 that may have been the problem for some of my rides on the long travel beast.
Models
There are quite a few models to choose from building these bikes up. The customising tool on the Propain website allows you to tweak the models further too for a seemingly infinite number of ways to get the right build. If you wanted to skip the a la carte option, there are 4 models of CF, 4 models of AL and 4 models for Park bike. The builds are named Base, Ultimate , Factory, and Swedish Gold.
Geometry and Setup
The Factory Spindrift 5 AL with the Fox Factory 38 and Float X2 shock weighs in at 38 lbs on my scale for a size medium. Not a lightweight bike but the intended purpose is 70% downhill and 30% pushing back up for another go at that big scary jump. There is no hiding the elephant in the room about its size and weight but I still did pedal this beast up Seymour Mountain to see how it climbed. Spoiler alert; not well.
Without many pointers on how to set the bike up, I put in a little over body weight at the lift line to get a feel for the bike at the bike park. With around 170 psi in the shock and 90 in the fork, I set off to do a couple of laps down Garbo Zone and hit some jumps on A-line to get the Freeride machine going. It felt good and pointed down some chunky stuff it did not bat an eye. This was promising. We may have a winner here I thought.
The medium bike that I stole from under Patrick, the marketing manager, was of promising proportions: 455mm reach, 445mm rear center and a healthy 636mm stack is within half a cm of my ideal. While the 29" rear wheel and a longish rear center may be playing against the freeride nature of the bike, I let it take control of the situation and show me the fastest way down the mountain. When the trails were steep, the initial setup worked fine. The 63.9° Head angle and long travel made for a confident descender. When the trails got faster and the berms flatter, I struggled to find traction on the front of the bike. Lowering the fork pressure to 85 psi for an increase in hand comfort and to weight the front tire more worked out well. I still struggled to find a sweet spot on the 180mm Fox 38 Grip X2 fork. It felt harsh and unwilling to go into the travel so I kept lowering the pressure.
Back on my home turf of Seymour, I decided the bike and my lift-taking-lazy-ass needed to pedal. Of course, I picked the heaviest, and the least eager bike to do it on and took the Spindrift up the mountain to more familiar and chunkier trails. I increased the shock pressure to 190 psi to balance the weight distribution. The singletrack climb was not fast. The higher BB was appreciated through the rocks as the fancy XX carbon cranks never made contact. The whole drivetrain is as fancy as you can get from SRAM and it shifted beautifully. While I don't see the point of it on an aluminum freeride bike, the XX Transmission is a thing of beauty.
Once I made it to the paved road as the climb trail ended, I headed higher up the mountain to tap into chunky, suspension testing terrain. CBC and Neds were on the menu as they are demanding, relatively fast and quite fun on a longer travel bike. The longer rear end was more noticeable on these trails than they were in Whistler. The big bike liked carving bigger arcs around corners instead of snapping into turns. Once I got used to the behaviour, I was having lots of fun. Ned's was especially fun on the big, squishy bike. While having lots of suspension travel to use, the Propain did not want to give up all its travel on demand. You had to pull for doubles and triples and land in deep pockets to access the bottom of the shock. I still felt unbalanced between the front and the rear of the bike. The 38 was not using its stanchions as eagerly as the FLoat X2. Hesitant to lower the fork pressure more or increase the shock pressure, I am chalking this up to an air shaft clogging issue on the fork. Without more time to play around, I can not address this. Which is why longer term reviews are absolutely necessary. The Propain will have to go back soon, but If it decides to stick around longer, I will service the fork and perhaps put a coil shock on the rear and run a heavier spring for less sag than the Air Sprung float X2 requires.
Factory Build Kit
This has been a summer of Maguras. The Devinci E-Troy Lite introduced me to the MT5s and the Propain comes with even better MT7 Performance brakes. While the master cylinder design of the MT5s has a snappier feel under your fingers, the softer but more powerful architecture of the MT7s is quite amazing. Paired with a 220mm front and 200mm rear MDR-P rotors, there is enough stopping power to throw an elephant over the bars. Riding some of the steepest trails in Whistler, I had no problem heating up the pads to operating temperatures and creeping down some impossibly steep rocks. The problem I found with Magura brakes is that I cannot stop them from rubbing. No matter the bleed or caliper adjustment, they will rub. Which is more troublesome when the floating rotors are bent. I find them difficult to re-align with the aluminum carrier. The power is great, but if you want rub free brakes, you may want to look elsewhere.
The DT Swiss FR 1500 wheelset with 240 hubs are trouble free tanks; heavy, aluminum and beastly enough to handle many short landings. I have no issues with them on this bike, even though I would not run them on my personal bike due to how overbuilt they are. Great spec. choice.
The wheels are wrapped in Schwalbe Magic Mary Super Trail Soft front and Big Betty Super Trail soft rear tires. I've had mixed experiences with the Super Trail casing tires as I managed to cut one in half 3 seconds into one trail and another 10 seconds in. This set has been trouble free since the bike was handed to me. I hate the feeling of having to go easy on tires. I think a Super Gravity rear casing would have been more appropriate. What's another 150 grams on an already heavy bike?
The Sixpack Components cockpit hasn't been exciting, in a good way. The last time I saw something from them was in 2014 when I bought a gold stem to match the stanchions of my Marzocchi 55. It's good to see they are making parts still. I could not get along with the Kamikaze ass hatchet of a saddle. But as the intentions of this bike points towards the lift line, I can understand it. It is narrow, it is long and it is entirely in the wrong shape for my derriere. The 170mm Fox Transfer dropper is sufficient and an uninterrupted seat tube may be able to handle a 200mm one if needed. I don't think the 170mm dropper gets in the way much.
Propain currently doesn't list Canadian prices on their website. Your purchase will be in USD and converted by your bank. There is a 250 USD shipping fee and possibly some duties as well (not confirmed yet) The 8000 USD price tag is less appealing when all that is taken into consideration. Direct-to-consumer brands at bike-shop prices are harder to swallow when you count the visits to a local shop to sort some kinks out. The bike I reviewed had no mechanical issues during testing. No loose bolts and no manufacturing defects were observed. Hopefully, this is the norm and Propain owners never have to reach out to Propain for help. There is a US office in California that can look after the issues in the lower 48. We Canadians may have to knock on Rémy Métailler's door for help.
The Spindrift 5 AL is an interesting bike that would do really well under an experienced rider on bike park trails. The bigger the jumps, the better the ride will be. When it comes to searching for traction and climbing performance, I'd look to other Propain models. If you are looking for a lift assist ride, do you really want an 8000 USD SRAM XX Transmission bike? The 3000 USD Base model maybe a better buy.
Have a look, find a demo day (they do exist) and decide for yourself.
5'8"
162lbs
Playful, lively riding style
Photographer and Story Teller
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finbarr
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I emailed them and they said that duties are included in the price you see at checkout, fwiw.
Great to see a review on one of these. I was thinking of picking up a Terrel (their gravel bike) but it didn’t have any reviews online, let alone in North America, which held me back.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 1 day ago
There are a few unknowns.
I think they are confusing taxes with duties. The GST and PST are known quantities and will be collected at checkout along with the $250usd shipping fee.
There will most likely be duties and other fees at the door to collect the bike which hasn't been clarified by Propain yet.
Also we don't know if the bike is shipping from US or EU. E bikes especially have a harder time coming across the border than overseas.
With canyon, when you bought a an ebike it triggered a ship notification with the battery warehouse to ship separately. We are not sure how it is with Propain at the moment. There is anlong way to go to make these direct to consumer brands from Germany make sense in canada.
The bikes are great, but the purchase procedure, less so.
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finbarr
2 weeks, 1 day ago
They were very explicit that it was duties, and they said they’d refund me back if they were wrong. I agree that what you’re saying sounds reasonable, but their language was very strong.
Edit: here's what they said, which seems kinda wild:
Me: Hi! I was about to order a Terrel CF from your website. I’m in Canada. The checkout page said that you are unable to calculate duties/import fees. Does that mean I should expect to pay the standard 13% duties for complete bikes imported to Canada?
Them: Hi Finbarr, You should not expect to pay duties tax on the build. (If by chance you do get charged, we will fix it on our end.)
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I sure hope you are right..
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cheapondirt
2 weeks, 1 day ago
It should be possible for Propain to calculate and collect duty. Jenson does it, successfully in my experience.
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Kenny
1 week, 6 days ago
Of course. Bike components, frames, and complete bicycles each have their own respective tariff code and associated duty %, it's no different than taxes. It's not like it's random... It might feel that way sometimes, but if the paperwork is in order, it's a known quantity.
IslandLife
1 week, 1 day ago
"You should not expect to pay duties tax on the build." That doesn't sound strong at all... by saying "duties tax", it sounds to me like a native german speaker not understanding what import duties are and mixing it up with taxes (gst/pst). I'd be careful because import duties vary wildly around the world. For instance the US doesn't have any, while Canada has large duties.
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Kango
1 week, 6 days ago
How did you manafe to order a ebike from Canyon?
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Kyle Dixon
1 week, 3 days ago
Hi Deniz,
Just wanted to offer some Insight as I've dealt a fair lot with Propains' US office when I purchased my Tyee in 2022.
Ordering was a breeze, Hit the Propain NA site, configured what I wanted and hit Order. Customs and Duties were inc'l in my purchase price and I encountered no extra tariffs from CBSA.
On the initial ship they sent a CF frame vs the AL I ordered, 2 emails to Propain NA sorted it out, and they sold the already in Canada CF Tyee frame to my riding partner for a, a god damn song of a deal that bugger lol. When he noticed some minor shipping damage armound the rear axle and on the NDS chainstay, they shipped a new rear triangle with no hesitation.
After a year of ownership, they also emailed both of us to see our thoughts on the platform and how we were enjoying the bikes. I'm a nobody, bike world speaking, and for the manufacturer to check in like that gives me the warm fuzzies that should anything go afoul, they're gonna make it right.
So I woud posit that the support avail to Canadian riders, from my experience pool of 2 (and Ive only seen 3 other Propains in Canada that weren't under Remy) is actually fairly robust and riders can have confidence that the US office can sort them out tout suite luh.
Now I just need to save up the scratch for a Park Al Ult... the onlyfans market for 39yr old MTB weirdos who arent gonna Lew Buchannan tempt death daily, is not uh, lucrative y'kno
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Timer
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I have a bit of a suspicion that the front tyre might have contributed to the lack of front wheel traction you were experiencing. The Magic Mary is a great tread design, but speccing the Schwalbe Soft rubber on the front of this kind of bike seems like a miss. Ultra Soft would have been the only sensible choice.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I don't think Magic Mary did any wrong to the bike. But it is not my first choice when it comes to summer tires.
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Allen Lloyd
2 weeks, 1 day ago
These were at the top of my list when I was shopping and had I not lucked into a Jekyll I would probably be riding one right now.
To me the transmission spec makes some sense in that the intent is freeride not park. If you are going into the backcountry to hit some huge features the transmission can help winch yourself up the climbs. More and more people are also transmission zealots and this is very likely not an only bike option so having cross compatibility could be at play as well.
My question is did you at any point while riding want the carbon version? What I like about the Propans is the aluminum availibility. My bike gets thrown in the back of trucks and driven up washboarded roads. Carbon is a liability in those situations.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 1 day ago
The transmission spec makes excellent sense. Just not in XX level. GX or X01 would have been quite sufficient.
I did want the carbon bike on my pedal up Seymour. I also like tue flip chip option on the carbon bike to adjust geo. I think carbon is a better back country material too. You can repair it with carbon tape you carry in a backpack or the car. It is often lighter, warmer to the touch and easier to shoulder than alloy bikes. For tossing on the back of a pick-up truck though, alloy makes a bit more sense. But generally, I don't see alloy as a more durable option when it comes to bike frames. Additive nature and indefinite fatigue life of carbon is a winner for me
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Allen Lloyd
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Agree on the XX part I just assumed it was the GX.
Carbon getting scratched continues to worry me. My wife crashed and put a deep scratch in her carbon handlebars, I am swapping them out ASAP. An aluminum bar would have been just fine.
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BewaretheKragle
2 weeks, 1 day ago
I'm not sure where you heard it but Carbon fiber does not have an indefinite fatigue life.
Instead of going back and forth I would recommend reviewing this excellent written paper on the subject. The below link is to an exert of the research paper.
The fatigue of carbon fibre reinforced plastics
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks ago
Tim told me, blame him.. and for all bike purposes and the lifetime of a bicycle part, i think we can assume it has infinite fatigue life. Nucleation and micro fracturing issues have been mostly eliminated in bicycle manufacturing
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BewaretheKragle
2 weeks ago
Lol I offered a quantifiable measurable correction to an inaccuracy and instead of a correction we got 'assumed life span & mostly eliminated'
*shrug* carry on.
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boomforeal
2 weeks, 1 day ago
great action shots tim!
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Chris
2 weeks, 1 day ago
The lever pictured is not an HC3
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Correct! only HC! thank you
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rusm
2 weeks, 1 day ago
California?
Propain Bicycles USA, LLC
(888) 867-8449
https://g.co/kgs/QsLNK76
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Basically California North... :)
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Chris D
2 weeks, 1 day ago
They’re right down the road from me in the Other Vancouver, WA. Not exactly convenient even for BC residents, much less anyone further, but at least closer than California! They do free demos for a few days at a time from their HQ, and there’s a shuttle demo day near here in early September.
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Jotegir
2 weeks ago
Very interesting design decisions to offer different geometry with the different 'styles' of builds beyond those inherent to putting a dual crown on the Park builds, especially that of having different geometry and suspension behaviour between the carbon and alloy regular specs. Stranger still is the articulated intention to do slightly different things with each. I'm curious if the behaviour of the carbon bike is different enough to justify the divergence. I don't think I've ever seen something quite like this before.
Shame you don't have one lined up for a bit more time. Could the X2 be tuned to deliver what you want without the need for a coil? It's clear the suspension was far from perfect in the brief time you had it and it's also a platform that some experimentation would be justified.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks ago
It is super promising that even with less than ideal suspension setup, the Spindrift rides super well. I would love to spend time on the carbon which I think may suit me better. Iight, long travel, bruiser. It's a super interesting platform.
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Znarf
1 week, 6 days ago
Propain carried over the alloy frame from the previous iteration and only really updated the carbon frame for the new model. That is why they are somewhat different. The base spec alloy models are functional and among the best mail order value/performance builds imho. Even serious riders wouldn‘t NEED much more. Pedaling performance (especially on Tyee and Hugene) is great. Not much need for the climb switch.
The carbon models are light as well, even more sprightly.
Around here (Germany) you see loads of Propain bikes. Most owners I know are quite happy with them, even long term. Customer service is alright, prices are reasonable, especially when there are special deals/sales.
I bet the suspension performance would be fantastic with an O-Chain, as there is some pedal feedback on repeated hits sometimes. Also coils seem to be the preference because of the firm endstroke of the kinematics.
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Timer
1 week, 6 days ago
Afaik Propain said that the alloy models are not the same as last year. They share the updated geometry and suspension of the carbon models.
I’d guess they use the same tube set, but making minor adjustments in manufacturing is easy with alloy frames.
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IslandLife
1 week, 1 day ago
"I am chalking this up to an air shaft clogging issue on the fork."
Had the same issue with my 36 this year. After multiple years on (new each year), 36's and 38's, I am very used to tuning these forks and have some pretty stable settings to start from. But over the first couple of months of riding I couldn't get this fork feeling right... same issues as you, just harsh feeling and lacking some front end grip no matter what I did. Actully blame it on a pretty harsh crash I had this year that cracked my scapula.... at least that's what I'm telling myself lol.
Finally pulled it apart and removed the over-used gobs of grease blocking everything up. Put it back together and once I could ride again... poof, magically transformed the fork to feeling great and front end grip was back to what I was used to. Going to start pulling these things apart before I even ride them from now on.
As for the Magura brakes... have been on them for a few years now, couple of notes. I can get MT5's feeling 95% like MT7's by simply swapping the pads.
Also, those heavy ass MDR-P two piece floating rotors seem great at first, but mine developed horrible metal on metal clanging noises after a couple months of hard riding. Took me a while to diagnose as well... super annoying. And Magura was disappointingly NOT easy to deal with to get replacements. After sending multiple videos, I kept getting told that they were operating as intended!? So these rotors are supposed to sound like you're dragging two shopping carts down the mountain? Was told in a pretty condescending way that these were high performance racing rotors and maybe "not right for me". So then I asked, if they were such amazing rotors... why their factory riders at the highest levels (Loic Bruni and Finn Iles) don't use them? They didn't have much of an answer for that, but I suggested that maybe it was because they too didn't enjoy the constant distraction of metal on metal clanging away. Took some serious pushing to get replacements, which I promptly just sold. I'd already moved on to SRAM HS2's.
Not sure why, but I also had rubbing issues with the MDR-P rotors, but when I switched to the HS2's... have no idea why as they seem to be the same thickness.... and maybe it's just a coincidence, but I haven't had the rubbing issues since I switched.
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