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Tern Orox S12 27.5 Cargo Bike

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Tern Bicycles Orox

You may not have heard the name Tern before but that's not unexpected for a mountain biker. Until recently they didn't even made bikes that go off road. Born out of a family dispute around 2010, Tern had a few years of innovating to do before they could release a bike worthy of review. Tern primarily focused on 20 inch-wheeled folding city bikes much like Dahon. These bikes could fit in impossibly small places like Bramptons, but without the price tag of their British counterparts. There are still plenty of 20" bikes in the Tern catalogue that work really well as family movers in big cities.

The Orox I will be reviewing for the next few months is cut from a different cloth.

Tern Orox S12 27.5

The Tern Orox comes in a couple of flavours. The heart of the beast is an overbuilt, cross-braced aluminum chassis that can handle a total load capacity of 210kg/462lb. That is a crazy number for a 2-wheeled machine you can also take to the trails.

The Orox comes in four flavours. While the North American market is served with 27.5"x4" tires, the European and rest of the world also have a 29"x2.6" option.

The drivetrain comes in two flavours: S12 with a Shimano Deore XT mix and R14 with a Rohloff Speedhub and a Gates belt drive. Both bikes are also available in Medium and Large. At 175mm (5'9") I opted for the Medium S12 Orox with some pretty interesting accessories.

If you have been shopping for a cargo or city bike to ditch the car and live a traffic-free life, you know there are plenty of options on the market. I personally prefer the rear cargo bikes rather than the bucket style front loaders. Riding those requires a little more finesse and they are better suited to European streets and bike infrastructure. Around these parts, where there are more primitive ways of getting around in the city, the rear loader bikes are far more agile and manageable when loaded with kids, groceries, bikes and such.

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Powerful headlights on e-bikes are great these days.

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75L per side! That is some serious storage.

When you have such a large vehicle to pedal around, a motor is needed to help move the 83-lb vehicle mass. Assist duties are taken care of by the Bosch Gen 5 CX motor with 85Nm output. To feed the hungry motor, the Tern Orox comes with 725and 800Wh batteries in the S12 and R14 models, respectively. There is also a plug-and-play mount for a second battery to instantly double your range. With a single 725Wh battery in the electron-sipping ECO mode, the Orox will do 130km of flatland pedaling - doubled with a second battery. The primary battery mounting location in the front triangle is sheltered by an armoured hardshell cover with plenty of room to store other things. Jackets, snacks, tools, anything you want out of the elements. The secondary battery goes on behind the seat tube and can also be used as the primary battery location. If you would like to use the frame bag for bulker items, this could be a good option.

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The primary battery compartment doubles as dry storage. I use the battery mount behind the seatpost, meaning I have to remove the battery for charging off the bike.

The watts are put into the rear wheel with a 12-speed Shimano Drivetrain. An XT derailleur matched to a Deore cassette, chain and shifter works well. The Deore cassette's all-steel construction is solid and the whole system shifts remarkably quickly and accurately considering there is an idler pulley in the middle of the 2-chain length system. The wide hubs are laced to Tern Atlas X70 rims with 13G stainless steel spokes and the rims are wrapped in 4" wide Vee Rubber Snow Ball, studdable tires.

To be honest, I haven't done much pedaling on tires this wide before the Orox's arrival. The extremely wide footprint and rolling mass of the Vee Snow Balls required a learning curve. Leaning a heavy, long bike with 4" tires over is a tough task, especially at speed! The faster the Orox goes, the more stable it becomes. It stands itself up and on tighter corners, you really have to lean the beast in to hug inside lines. I do understand the functional reasons why the bike comes with such wide tires. The claimed payload and the surfaces you might end up on require such a footprint. With 15psi, the 4" tires roll nicely on pavement and if I am primarily offroad, 10psi is plenty for suspension-like comfort on the Vee Snow Balls.

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4" wide at 15psi for street use, 10psi or lower for trails.

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These tires are supposedly stud ready. I will not be doing that.

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Magura MT5 brakes.

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203mm rotors front and back are plenty.

Stopping this train with heavy duty wheels is also no easy task. Tern equipped the Orox with powerful Magura MT-5 brakes and 203mm rotors for peace of mind. Bombing down the Seymour Parkway at 60-65km/h, If I get caught off guard by a stale green light turning red, the Maguras have no problem slowing the bike down in a hurry. No complaints there.

The lighting system on the Orox is also powerful enough with a 800-lumen output and a power switch on the left side, along with high/low beam on the right side under the rider's thumb. Great placements that make high-beam flashing shitty drivers a regular activity. I enjoy this functionality a lot more than I thought I would. The tail light is supposed to be a brake activated one. I have not been able to make it work even after checking the wiring all the way to the motor. I may need a person riding behind me at speed to tell me if it is working or not.

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The 800mm Level Nine bars are comfortable.

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Big tires require big fenders. I had to use rotor bolts for mounting.

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The rubber mudflap means clean shoes even in the nastiest weather.

The Orox is also fully clad with fenders wrapping the massive tires. The amount of water they spray is impressive in a downpour, but luckily the front fender and the rubber mudflap is almost to the ground making wet rides a clean affair. The hardware to attach the fenders was missing in my delivery but I found some rotor bolts to make then work and they have been trouble-free since.

Accesorizing cargo bikes is an involved activity. With so much to bolt on and many configurations possible, the buyer has to think what is the best use case scenario for the cargo portion of their bikes. I opted for the dual 75L panniers and foot platforms. Since I won't be carrying small humans on the back of this bike (I have since carried full grown adults and used the Tern as a camera dolly for a video shoot) I chose the configuration that would give me plenty of weatherproof storage. 75L panniers are absolutely cavernous and can swallow a small human whole. They are also great for groceries, parts, tools, wheels and really anything you dare to carry on a bike. You need to bring 40kg of soil home? No problem. You rode by a yard sale and find some ski boots that fit you? Not an issue. Do you want to pack the panniers with chainsaws and a whole variety of trail tools? Go right ahead.

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The heavy duty kickstand is absolutely crucial for day to day use of this bike.

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Foot bars fold up when not in use. This is great as I already got them caught on concrete barriers once.

Another accessory that caught my eye was the trailer hitch and the bike tow accessory. Now things are getting interesting. With the trailer hitch you can attach any after market trailer to pull behind the Orox. With the Bike Tow kit, you can bolt an adjustable fork mount to the back of the Tern to tow your child's bike or your mountain bike to the trails! Hell yeah, I can get excited about that. Since the limousine-like Orox was not already long enough, I now have a way to attach my Orbea to the back of it and tow it to Pete's neck of the woods on the Sunshine Coast. Riding with such a tail requires planning and sharp turns are to be avoided but the powerful and stable Orox does not mind the added 36-ish pounds trailing behind.

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This is the reason we are here.

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The Trail Hitch Mount and Bike Tow Kit are $115 and $135 add-ons.

Part 2?

The Tern Orox S12 is one of the more interesting bikes to arrive at my door. It is weird, wild and bigger than anything I have ever ridden. It has a ton of potential to be a car replacement for many folks living in the boonies getting around. Or city folk who want a bike version of a mall crawler to pedal around. This thing has potential. I would like to explore camping opportunities and trail building days to see how far I can take it with a bike or tools on the back. I sure hope nothing goes wrong because the 4" wide tired 83-lb Orox will only fit on the back of a flatbed.

Stay tuned for part 2 where I see if I can get this thing aboard BC Ferries with a mountain bike on the back!

Tern Orox S12 is 9,700 CAD / 6,499 USD

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Deniz Merdano

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ridestuff
+6 Jotegir Abies Cooper Quinn hotlapz vunugu Pete Roggeman

I've got a small e-bike repair shop in Nelson BC, and these Tern's are nice e-bikes to work on as well as use! They ride much lighter than they feel and they are fairly easy to work on.

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denomerdano
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With the double kickstand, it was really easy to drop the motor and have a look at the wiring!

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bushtrucker
+5 Lynx . Mike Ferrentino Abies Timer Pete Roggeman

Refreshing to seeing a bike like this up on NSMB. Loved the review and the bike. The second battery mount is smart for a Cargo bike, as is the frame bag and the rear wheel hitch. I think 12s is over kill though, even if it's just Deore level. Would prefer to see 10s or 11s LinkGlide CUES which will be far more reliable long term. Might help bring the price down a touch too!

Also, in my experience, front loading cargo bikes are actually significantly more agile/fast turning than rear-loaders, once you get used to the handling. But rear loading bikes are definitley a bit more conifidince inspiring off-road, especially if shod with 3"+ rubber. That being said, I've ridden plenty of single track here in Australia on an Omnium (often with a dog) and it was totally fine!

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Couch_Surfer
+3 Jotegir Mark Lynx .

I can’t get past the sticker shock

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Timer
+4 Deniz Merdano Jotegir Abies bushtrucker

Fair point, but these kind of bikes are designed for something different than the usual fooling around in the woods in our spare time we do on MTBs. Depending on where and how you live, a good cargo bike can replace a car and its associated running costs.

Its also not a bike one would replace every few seasons for the next shiny piece of kit.

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denomerdano
+5 Timer Mark Jotegir bushtrucker Adrian Bostock

Exactly. Many people have ran the numbers and came out ahead of a car ownership with bikes in similar value. But I agree, $10k is many monies..

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syncro
+3 Jotegir finbarr BarryW

I think at that price tag ( and similar options) the buy in is going to be from people who are fully committed to the non-car lifestyle and not the cargo-curious. Unfortunately that's probably going to hurt adoption. I like the idea, but I'm having a hard time seeing why this is a $10K bike tbh.

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Jotegir
+2 Timer bushtrucker

Those who are just cargocurious will likely try out something like a RAD bike or, if they want to go with a 'core' bike brand, Specialized's Haul ST, something from Trek/Electra, or one of the various more affordable Euro commuter-y ebikes. I can't imagine people are getting this as either their first e-bike or first cargo bike and I can't imagine it's intended for those consumers.

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Lynx
-1 BarryW Abies McT

Absolutely, that's just Nvcking Futz IMHO, don't care what kind of math you do or what "extras" it might have, when you can get a, hate to say it, Specialed cargo bike for $3500 USD. Granted, it only comes in 1 size and has 20" wheels, but even if you take the 2 size availability and better/bigger wheels, bit more carrying capacity/load, and few other thoughtful details, that doesn't equal nearly 3 times the price IMHO, or did Deniz provide the price in FuNnY MoNeY dollars again - I do believe enough of the NSMB audience is from outside Canada that providing pricing in both CDN and USD is mandatory.

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amschroeder5
+4 Timer Deniz Merdano Abies Cooper Quinn

IDK there, when the 'value builds' being discussed on the site are 6000 dollars fs mtbs, I don't think this is worse than that. Both are out of my price range certainly. I picked up a used bakfiets for 900, put probably 2000 into it electrifying and updating parts (adding disk brake to front fork for example), and that is more than enough dough for my stomach.

Most I've ever paid for a bike directly was 1500 dollars in 2017. Used market for me.

denomerdano
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UPDATE* 

$6499 USD

Funny Money prices are not listed. I will reach out to find it for you...

Jotegir
+6 Mark Abies Lynx . Jerry Willows BarryW bushtrucker

The difficulty I have is that, for $10,000, that motor had better be DIALED for a decade, and the battery should still be properly usable in this time. So far, my experience with Bosch is that it seems like many systems are trouble free and indicate that they probably will work 10 years down the line, but certainly not all. 

The issue is that like all moving things, Bosch ebike motors do experience failures and right now, the "solution" is to unbolt the motor from the bike, yank the wires, send it to Live to Play, and have them send up a new one under warranty. That warranty simply isn't long enough for what I perceive the expected lifespan of cargo bikes ought to be, and I just don't think it's right to ask a user to spend a couple grand getting a motor outside this timeframe. When I left the shop a couple years ago, there were a couple forum posts on fixing Bosch stuff at home but the official stance is that they are unfixable "sealed" units. 

Maybe this is something Mr. Derek Baker could comment on? Seems like he would be the expert out of all of us.

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syncro
+8 Jotegir Timer finbarr XXX_er Lynx . ackshunW Skooks Jerry Willows

I think the industry also needs to come up with standardized mounting so that people who buy today aren't left holding the bag in a few years when replacement motors are no longer available. IMHO this should include wiring as well, so any motor can be swapped into any bike.

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cooperquinn
+2 BarryW bushtrucker

Yeah, like the car and motorcycle industry! 

It's never going to happen - motor manufacturers don't want to do that, and there's no way you're ever going to get different motors to talk to different ECUs, sensors, and batteries, etc. Its too complex.

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syncro
+1 Lynx .

lol - bad analogy is bad. 

I get that the manufacturers (bikes and motors) don't want to do that, but with the bike industry's penchant for changing standards there is NFW I'd be willing to drop money on something that could be obsolete in a few years. It's the stinking albatross hanging off the bike industry's neck. 

As for a universal wiring harness, controllers can be separate from the motor. There are not such a huge amount of mandatory i/o's coming off a motor that a standard couldn't be establish. The ebike motor itslef is no more complex than an automotive alternator and they are now mostly built with removable/replaceable voltage regulators. Have the motors universal and the electronics can be proprietary.

cooperquinn
+2 Abies bushtrucker

No matter how you slice it, manufacturers don't want it. Bosch doesn't want you to replace your motor with a Shimano.

syncro
+1 Lynx .

@Coopper I totally agree with you that the motor manufacturers don't want it. I'm sure the bike manufacturers don't want it either. Unfortunately it sucks for consumers. Maybe we need to make noise and refuse to buy these products until there is a reasonable life expectancy guarantee - ie I buy model XYZ ebike and it's guaranteed to have support for at least 10yrs. That does not seem unreasonable to me. 

Maybe there's a niche manufacturer out there who will build a frame that accepts a bracket that can be made to fit any motor. So the bike to bracket interface is universal but the bracket to motor is specific. In the end the motor manufacturer will still screw the consumer on incompatibility of electronics though. At least with that route tho there will be enterprising people who can get the electronics to work. 

I don't like hearing the line it can't be done. It for sure can be done, the bike co's just don't want to do it because it cuts into profits. 

As a consumer why would I want to spend $10K on a bike when there's no guarantee that it will still be useable in 5yrs? At least with a cheap used econobox like a Civic I know I can get part for a long time simply due the sheer number of units produced. Bike co's need to do better to protect consumers and not create unnecessary waste by having products go obsolete in a relatively short time frame. The one saving grace for the bike industry is that 95% or better of obsolete stuff is readily recyclable.

denomerdano
+1 Timer

As a SErvice Manager on my other day job, I deal with a bit of Bosch and Shimano ebike motors. So far the Bosch motors are the least troubled options. We have customers with 20000+kms on their units still working well, Biggest problem with the Bosch systems are the wiring to the displays. After our Atmospheric River events in October and November, quite a few units have been showing the signs of water damage. The bikes are mostly still in operation but the displays are not. In some cases the Kiox displays shutting down do strand the riders away from home on very heavy bikes. Live to Play involvement with Bosch is bad to horrible. As they are restructuring, the response to emails and calls have been less good. Hopefully they can hire to pick that slack up.

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Jotegir
+1 Lynx .

Our experience was, other than some growing pains associated with speed sensors which in particular seemed to crop up on hardtails for whatever reason, Bosch was the best of them. It's amazing to hear that you have customers with 20,000 Kms on them. The point isn't that they're not good enough to be on a bike like this (with a very long expected lifespan), but that if a particular customer on this $10,000 USD utility machine has bad luck and gets a motor that conks out after 30 months or so, it doesn't sit right with me for that customer to be left holding the bag. Maybe it's a double standard and doesn't reflect the actual wear and tear people put through these*, but a two year warranty on a recreation machine sits so much better than a two year warranty on this. 

If people are getting tens of thousands of kilometers of use out of these things relatively trouble free, then let's have a warranty that backs that up and helps justify the asking price on a unit like this. Automotive manufacturers have been doing mixed milage/year warranties for decades now, maybe this is an appropriate place for that. 5 years/20,000 km seems much more reasonable than a blanket two year, for example. 

I didn't mean to bag on LTP specifically except they were our point of contact. For a shop, pulling the unit, putting it in a box, and sending it off wasn't a bad way of dealing with things, but as a consumer, I'd have to think the preference would be that outside of the equivalent of catastrophic engine failure, small parts and in house service would be the way to go. As the market matures and proliferates, maybe this is the way of the future. 

*now that I'm thinking about it, a bosch motor on a Trek Rail ridden recreationally probably has a better life than on a cargo bike like this in the lower mainland.

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XXX_er
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does one buy a bike with a motor or a motor with a bike  ?

I bought an SC cuz i wanted SC and the motor happened to be Shimano which seems to be staying the course  after some firmware issues and so IME thats how this person buys an e-bike

If you believe those wankers on the EP8 users site every Shimano ever made has shit the bed, I'm sure you could find some Bosch users that will say the same, IME as a recovering HW guy everything breaks, I think those brits  just need to quit all the sodding and bricking and speak english

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denomerdano
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Motor-bike

Couch_Surfer
+4 Lynx . Mark BarryW Adrian Bostock

At that price point are people replacing cars, or are they replacing ICE cars.

A quick google shows me a bunch of used Nissan Leafs with about 100K miles on them for less than the price of this cargo bike.  Whether a used EV is a good decision or not would enter the decision tree sure, but I'd be hard pressed in the PNW to take a cargo bike over a used Leaf from Oct-Mar as a grocery getter.

I'm not above spending dumb money on bikes.  Just for this use case at the 10K mark I'd really have to evaluate against a small runabout car.

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Timer
+1 Abies

Comparing used prices with MSRP never made sense and hasn't suddenly started to. There is also the bit about running costs, even for electric cars.

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syncro
+3 Jotegir Lynx . BarryW

True, but his point is pretty strong when you consider how averse the average person is to any sort of physical effort. Add in inclement weather and the idea of a cheap fuel efficient car at half the price seems more appealing. 

I don't feel people are crapping on the e-cargo bike altogether, it's just that price is going to be a barrier for more people than it isn't.

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Jotegir
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This is just one of those things that its useless to posit about cross shopping  unless you're actually the one in the position to cross shop. Inherently they're two different things. One's a car, one's a bike. If they fill the same utility for someone it becomes an individual assessment, and one of the factors that person might consider is the spend they will need to incur for each option, MSRP be damned. For many others, the utility is too far removed from one another to be compared.

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Lynx
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cooperquinn
+1 bushtrucker

Wait till you hear what cars cost!

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Couch_Surfer
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Not hard to find a car that's less than 10,000$.  It just won't be new or very pretty.

But yeah, I guess if I compare this thing to a G-Wagon, it's value proposition is pretty solid.

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cooperquinn
+2 Abies bushtrucker

Just because the capital outlay of a used car is less than a bike doesn't mean the car is "cheaper". 

The operational cost of a car (even an EV) is much, much higher than a bike. Even an expensive bike.

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Timer
+3 Abies bushtrucker Cooper Quinn

The comparison doesn’t make a ton of sense, but just for perspectives sake: 

The average yearly cost of car ownership and use in the US lies above the msrp of this luxury cargo bike. 

Average age of passenger cars in the US is over 12 years. 

If you have the lifestyle and built environment where you can replace an average car (maybe one of several) with a cargo bike, you might break even in the first year.

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cooperquinn
+1 Timer

We're going to dive into these numbers fairly soon. But, you're absolutely right.

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Abies
+3 Cam McRae Deniz Merdano Cooper Quinn bushtrucker Lynx .

Wow, I had no idea this thing existed! As one of those people who lives in the boonies, I really hate is how car dependent our lifestyle has become since we moved from the city. But living miles up a steep dirt road makes hauling groceries and stuff home on a normal bike pretty arduous. I could easily see this replacing one of our vehicles and getting a lot of use. It looks really well thought out. 

Price seems reasonable to me for what it is. I'll also note that for those living in the US, REI is a Tern dealer. With the membership program + their credit card you'd get close to $1000 back in credit.

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denomerdano
+1 Abies

This is great to hear!

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Znarf
+2 Mark BarryW

I don’t get why the Tern is 10.000$.

Probably because someone is convinced that people will pay that prize. And enough seem to do.

That said, we own a Riese Müller Load 60 which was maybe even higher priced (I only know the prize in Euros). And after owning it for three years, I would deem it excellent value, even though it was a lot of money. 

I do have to compare cost, usability and quality of life to the car it mostly substituted. And as a mountain biking family it enabled my wife and me to spend shared riding time even with a very young child. We use this bike practically every day and can say it improved our quality of life, because it opens up so many possibilities in our every day life.

It has been reliable and running costs are absolutely small. 

Of course, the European city we live in has rather good infrastructure for cycling and commuting. But since owning this bike, I’d be fine with not owning a car, instead renting one for holidays or other occasions.

And I always loved cars and driving, always owned one from the day I first got my driving license. 

So - if the Tern is as practical and durable as our Load 60 10.000$ isn’t an unreasonable ask - long term.

I agree on the idea of making e-bikes standardized motor-wise to future-proof them. I would expect to get 15 years of use out of my Load. 

That said - Bosch motors are so common over here, I bet there’ll be some aftermarket replacements available in the future.

Otherwise we’ll have A LOT of unusable bikes in a couple of years.

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UMichael
+1 Derek Baker

This summer I became somewhat obsessed with cargo bikes. You are not helping. I can't afford one yet, please stop.

(Great stuff, keep it up)

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denomerdano
+1 bushtrucker

More cargo content coming up... NSMBcargo

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XXX_er
+1 Skooks

Yeah baby ! E-motor, cargo, single chain ring has gotta be good for trippple hate from people who are too stupid to just not read the artical

Does the 9700 include everything I see in the pict ? I see a lot of good components I don't see on the plethora of  bikes made of Chinesium that havent caught fire yet which are often also cargo bikes, 9700 is cheaper/ same as many real E-bikes out there  altho there is no suspension to jack the price up

I gotta agree it would be nice if there was a standard E-motor mount, I supose fi the mid mounted motor was ever obselete/ not available one could just run a hub drive ?

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syncro
+1 Lynx .

I really like that hitch idea. What would be cool to see is a bike/trailer combo in the idea of a semi-trailer truck combo. A commuter ebike that is great for everyday use that also has a robust trailer option for hauling cargo. Why not go all out and have integrated turn signal and brake lights as well as servo activated brakes on the trailer. 

There is a lot of potential with ebikes that isn't being taken advantage of by the industry. 

As usual I'm claiming 10% of net profits from any company going ahead with my idea. Or anybody wanna start a bike co?

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denomerdano
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What I would like is rear steering option on the trailer wheels. That way the turning radius would improve dramatically.

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syncro
+1 Timer

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denomerdano
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BINGO!!

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cooperquinn
+1 Mark

Pretty common in places like NYC. 

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syncro
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winner winner chicken dinner

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Lynx
+1 Skooks

Deniz, other than the INSANE price, IMHO, good initial review/thoughts, will be waiting to hear further once you've tried what you mentioned. Seems like such a cool bike, although for me I'd probably opt to go for a narrower wheel/tyre setup, maybe even try 29x2.6" if there's one that could take the weight.

Agree if you don't live somewhere bike friendly like the EU, it's better/easier to have the load in the back, but also have the ability to have some of the load upfront to help balance the weight out more and not let the front wheel get light, so a front wrack would be mandatory for me.

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denomerdano
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Front Rack does exist and would probably do what you are trying to accomplish. On either occasion where I had a 180lbs passenger on the back of the Orox, the front felt light. The closer they sat towards me, better the balance got. But 180lbs is a ton of cargo and in normal situations, even 100lbs would not negatively impact the front end all that much.

How to Carry cargo - Tern also has a good guide to carry cargo on their website

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amschroeder5
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800 mm bars are more than a bit too wide for urban use in my mind. I have a hard enough time with 760s these days. But my main problem with rear loaders is how (poorly) they handle carrying cases of liquids. Bags are not great solutions for 12 packs, let alone cubes or 30s, and that means adding the heaviest groceries right to the worst possible position on the bike, top dead center.

I get why bikes are designed this way, but I'd really need to see some hard bucket side that are capable of fitting 2 12 packs side by side and 2 deep before I was willing to dive into the long-john market. My bakfiet-style cargo bike has carried 8x 12packs at once for party prep (between adult and child beverages), fitting 4 on first layer and 5 on second.

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denomerdano
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This bike is designed more for suburban and wilderness living on rough roads, and easy trails. You can easily cut the bars down. I like 800mm bars on a bike this heavy though. I couldn't imagine trying to steer 85lbs of bike plus my weight at speed with narrow bars

I like the idea of hard sides until you try to squeeze through things. They will most definitely cause a crash and damage to the bike and whatever they are in contact with. I have talked to friends with Dual Sport bikes who say the same thing. Soft bags over Hard bags, any day!

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amschroeder5
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Narrow is relative, 700mm is gaining an extra 2 inches of clearance each side, but still pretty easy to turn. Even 760s is almost an inch extra space each end. If you are squeezing through something, you would also want those narrow bars ;p. AFAIK Most bakfiets use handlebars in the 660-710 range.

I do agree about the long-john design problem though... that is fundamentally the issue. I can have a 63cm wide, 72cm long basket on the front of my bakfeit. In my view, carrying large-dense materials (like containers of containers of liquids) is where long-johns suffer, and for a car replacement vehicle... buying soda or milk or beer or water or paint in their most economical (ie large) varieties is just too common and important a use case to justify a long-john.

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XXX_er
+1 Abies

its really easy to cut bars shorter, to cut bars longer not so much

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syncro
+1 Jotegir

You can get bar stretchers now on Temu/Vevor for like $40.

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amschroeder5
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Unpopular opinion, but I'd rather bikes be shipped with reasonable sizes out the gate, and replace one of the cheapest and easiest parts if I needed abnormally big, than have most people who don't need or have a benefit from larger bars have to either pay someone to cut them down or ride too big.

It wasn't long ago that 760s were standard. This is designed as an upright bike, narrower than ideal is better than wider.

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BC_Nuggets
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Is that 9700 USD or Canuck bux?

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denomerdano
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Canadian website has prices and US doesn't. So im going with CAD for pricing

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denomerdano
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$6499 in US dollars

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DexM
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Totally unrelated question, review of those Lewis brakes coming soon?

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denomerdano
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Not necessarily soon, but yes. Coming

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TrailPackerII
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Where in the world do you find accessories for this bike?  I have searched and searched.  Even contacting Tern doesn’t help.  They say, “call REI”, REI has no batteries or any Tern accessories.  I would really like to buy an Orox but if the accessories are only available to reviewers then it’s not worth my money.

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