EDITORIAL
Sellers Remorse
Hanging On
We were six deep in a slow-rolling chain-gang pedaling up some tight single track at a friendly pace. Well, all of us except the poor bastard out front thrusting everything he had into his lowest gear just trying to keep those 29" hoops turning over. I'm not sure if he felt an unspoken urgency in our conversation or covert peer pressure, but I know he was well aware of the woman chirping cheerfully in his ear while she half-wheeled him. What are friends for?
Behind her are two-thirds of a trio of guys on fresh Santa Cruz bikes bantering back-in-the-day style. Then it's yours truly, out for a solo pedal. Finally, Santa Cruz rider number three, who I'd passed a while back only to have him ride back on, rejoins the group.
Ride on Clyde, we're having a nice chat and no one's in a hurry.
My unicorn is an original Chromag QR with a solid brass lever. Photo: Tyler Maine ca 2008
Our mismatched centipede cruises along, waiting for some double-track to re-sort our ride order, and the gents in front of me are reminiscing about a variety of bikes and parts they regret selling over the years. An original Syncros seat post, acquired at the backdoor of HQ in the 90's, a handmade-by-Paul Brodie eXpresso, titanium bar-ends (really? Really!), and so on.
Somewhere along the way, between the heavy breathing, hilarious friend-with-an-audience ripostes, and bike-tech time travel, my mind starts to wander. Try as I might, I'm not the least bit embittered by any bike or part I've sold save one; my original, made in North Vancouver, Chromag QR with a solid brass lever.
It wouldn't fit on a single bike I own today and I don't recall if Chromag made 34.9mm versions of those first QRs. Mine was a 28.6 for a steel frame with a 27.2 seat post - but I still wish that I had it, in a box, just in case one day I own a bike it could go on. Even more bizarre, I wish I had one of those original big-brass lever QRs in a size that fits my bikes even though the current Chromag QRs are faultless and lighter.
I prefer to run seat post QR's on all my bikes. Once in a while I'll make a tool-free micro-adjustment on the trail...
...but most of the time it comes into play switching back and forth between clip-in pedals and a few different heights of flat pedals.
We round a big sweeping right-hand corner and the trail flairs wide enough for a couple of bikes to pull aside. Our panting bright-red leader pulls his bike over and flops down in the dirt breathing hard between fits of laughter. His fast talking compatriot is still needling him as the remaining foursome all shout encouragement and pedal onward. The pace goes up, the banter goes down, and I'm already writing in my head.
North Shore Billet cranks, Dekerf Implant, XT thumbies, DT 440 hubs, Juliana Furtado Race Day saddle, Mountain Cycle Moho, Moots YBB... I asked around a bit and it's pretty amazing how much remorse some riders have about that one bike or part they sold off for nothing near what it's worth to them now.
What's yours?
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Shoreboy
5 years, 1 month ago
Still have my Moots YBB (1994 rainbow anodized). Ride it to work everyday. It is by far my most cherished ride. It has become the recipient of many of my older parts so that I didnt have to regret getting rid of them! Pace RC31 fork, Magura HS-33 rear brake, 27.2 Thomson seatpost and 90mm (gasp) stem! White Industries ENO hub, cranks and ring. Puts a smile on my face every time I throw a leg over it.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
You. Owe. Us. A. Picture!!!
Sounds great.
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Shoreboy
5 years, 1 month ago
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Shoreboy
5 years, 1 month ago
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Shoreboy
5 years, 1 month ago
Grrr. Sorry. Cant upload an image for some reason. Its hosted in google photos, but copying the link is a no go. Any ideas?
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Email it to me and I’ll put it up?
andrew(.)major(@)nsmb(.)com
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Pete Roggeman
5 years, 1 month ago
Weird. Try uploading to your nsmb account and then linking. But that's an odd issue.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
I've bumped into a fair number of Moots bikes over the years but I've never seen one with that ano finish. It's Fantastic!
Thanks for sharing!
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Cr4w
5 years, 1 month ago
Green Turner RFX circa 2002. By a long shot the best bike of Its time. I occasionally see It around town, under the guy I sold It to no less. Before that a Kona Explosif (the red one with multi-sided down tube) that was kind of my first good bike. Explosifs of this era are mainly relegated to commuters now and I see one around sometimes. I'd rather those old frames be rolling around the world than hanging nostalic In my spare room.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Turner RFX was a f***ing wicked bike. Put that out today with modern geo and it would look better than the majority of rigs on the market. Badass machine.
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Shoreboy
5 years, 1 month ago
I still ride the current generation RFX. It is 2016/2017 design, so the geometry is not up to todays current trend. Still a blast to ride and dont feel like I am missing out on anything.
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Perry Schebel
5 years, 1 month ago
my tmx, for sure. https://nsmb.com/articles/readers-rides-brooklyn-tmx/
as i typically ride my favorite bikes into the ground (beyond resell-ability), i tend to hold on to them by default. this unkillable tank was an exception, alas.
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IslandLife
5 years, 1 month ago
My first "real" MTB was a sweet 1991 deep purple Rocky Mountain Fusion! I was 13 years old and badly wanted to upgrade from my used Louis Garneau department store bike. Parents told me they'd pay for half if I went and got a job... so I did. Man did it feel good rolling that baby out of the Bike Barn in Penticton! Actually raced cross country on that baby for a couple years in the Okanagan. Races were funny back then... Did one race where we did four races in one day... an Uphill Race so that we could then turn around after an hours rest and race back downhill on the same course. Followed by a cross country race which was followed by this super fun and weird 4X "criterium" on a really short but technical (basically no trail, kinda overland style) course.
Upgrades included a Girvin Flexstem... and I promptly went through 4 of them in a single summer... haha. Also had some crazy long double-bend bar-ends, which just looked so cool! And of course the requisite Panaracer Dart & Smoke tire combo! Also upgraded the fork to a straight legged butted aluminum affair after I bent the first set of forks backwards by a good 40 degrees when I nailed a huge, unseen hole while bombing down through an orchard in Naramata... good times! Oh and of course... toe clips.
But alas, 15 year old me, sold that bike so I could buy a skateboard, snowboard and all the gear. Didn't get on a bike properly again until I just happened to be living in Whistler when they opened the bike park... "Huh, that looks fun."
And 28 years later, this past summer while visiting my parents in Naramata, I took one of my 8 year old sons on an awesome ride up and down Campbell Mountain... my old stomping grounds. The circle of mtb life!
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Awesome story! Although 15-yr old you...
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Sven
5 years, 1 month ago
mine was the same! here's a catalog to nostalgia - it already had "Ideal Sizing, where contact points are fit to the riders anatomy"!
https://www.bikes.com/sites/default/files/1991%20Mountain%20%26%20Pavement%20Catalogue%20-%20English.pdf
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Andrew Major
5 years ago
Wish every brand digitized all their past offerings like Rocky.
Actually, I wish every brand still made sweet catalogues. Don’t have to print them - I’ll read them in PDF format but somehow they’re more enjoyable than browsing websites?
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Sanesh Iyer
5 years, 1 month ago
My green Straitline Lenosky pedals.
Other than that, no regrets... Selling my stuff keeped cycling financially stable for me and kept the bikes doing what they should be (being ridden).
I have a single Ti bolt that's been on every MTB I've owned since 2010 (that's a lot of bikes). Trusty bolt. Super light. Super gold. It's like a gold tooth for my bike. A reminder too of minmaxing... Don't waste your money on stupid shit!
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
That’s pretty brilliant. I mean, I have a little container of Ti bolts (I had a disease at one time) that are a beautiful reminder that I had to learn min-maxing the hard way.
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AndrewR
5 years, 1 month ago
I have a container of Ti bolts that gets empty as I build a bike, re-fills when I re-build the bike with OE parts for sale and empties again with the new bike. It is nothing to do with weight, I just like the happy rainbow colours and the fact that I never have one of those ugly brown rust spots on my so-called stainless bolts. They also look better with their generally smaller and lower profile heads. I know I have a fairly extreme version of OCD and this is one of the little things that give it a harmless outlet.
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Cooper Quinn
5 years, 1 month ago
I would like to take this opportunity to point out that fasteners have a lifespan.
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Sanesh Iyer
5 years, 1 month ago
I'm surprised Andrew wasn't the one to call me out on this.
Am totally aware.... I know I'm living my life on the edge. It's no longer under load.
If I'm remembering correctly, Titanium has a pretty big knock-down for endurance limit as well. Throw in galling and I'm sure there's a recipe for disaster with Ti bolts. Life on the edge.
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AndrewR
5 years, 1 month ago
That is true. I think that titanium and galling only pertains to the type of person who would install a bolt without some kind of prep on it and I am guessing that this is also the sort of person who wouldn't go for Ti bolts in the first place. My bolts get used for two years and then they get sold with the bike that they are currently installed on (as well as all the original steel bolts). Titanium bolts also should be subject to a smidge less torque than their steel counterparts and there are some applications where they just don't work.
FlipSide
5 years, 1 month ago
No big regrets here either.
My only regret is probably selling my first ever mtb (Specialized RockHopper Comp 1994). It was a cromo full-rigid bike with 1"1/8 steertube. I sold it to buy an aluminum bike with a RS Quadra 5. I was really excited to get a suspension fork, but it turned out to be absolute garbage.
Upgrading to an alu hardtail with front suspension seemed like the good thing to do and going back in time I'd take the same decision, but I'd love to still have that rigid bike...
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
My first bike was a metallic blue Iron Horse rigid with STX. The only time I’ve missed it was getting a bike painted a couple years ago because I would have loved to roll it in as a paint sample - it was gorgeous the way budget bikes surely haven’t been since.
Went pink/purple dirty fade instead so it worked out.
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materials-guy
5 years, 1 month ago
This article saddens me by remembering my DeKerf Team SL and the Syncros Ti seat post that had parted with years ago.
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Sven
5 years, 1 month ago
1991 Purple Rocky Mountain Fusion. It had SIS shifting, where the shifter pods clicked into each gear!
Would make a perfect brewery bike now.
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OwenFoster
5 years, 1 month ago
White 2003 Balfa BB7 w 5th Element Shock, Brake Therapy, Boxxer Team, Mag30s and Intense Rubber. Such a weapon for sending your carcass off silly old freeride features.
I was at the bank taking out the cash to buy the next bike (the Very First Reign X1, 2006) and the teller, a young guy asked me what the wad was for. Cheeky I thought, but I was i n such a good mood en route to soon-to-be new bike day that I indulged him. He followed up with 'are you selling your old bike?'
The serendipity of exchanging my beloved Balfa for a different wad of banker money later that evening makes for a good story but to this day I wish I had kept it. 10+" of single pivot rowdy was just such fun. The travel ended when the saddle was in the tire. 26 may be dead but I'd still shuttle it.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Still see a shocking number of BB7s around.
Couple of summers ago I ran into a guy who’d fab’d his own plates to attach the swing arm to the shock (garage style with a drill and file) and made his own pulley. Pretty cool that folks love them enough to find a way to keep them going.
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Reuben.Sandwich
5 years, 1 month ago
More so frames than parts for me.
Kawasaki green Santa Cruz V10.3 Still the best looking DH frame ever made.
Occasionally I regret selling my Banshee Sirocco because it was cool AND had 4 pot XT brakes with stainless braided hoses and an Aireal rear hub. Aireal was a small brand here in Australia that produced some sweet hubs and ok chainguides but went bust after a few years.
Both GT LTS I've owned- a '98 3000ds and a 96 DH "boomerang"
BTW Andrew, I still have the Chromag direct mount stem you sold me in 2010. It's now on an autographed Syndicate V10.4 that enjoys a wonderful retirement in my bike room. That bike is never leaving me!!
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Damn; pretty nice personal bike history!
V-10.3 is still a looker but I think Intense has a couple contenders that edge it out. I mean, what’s art without provenance in which case M1 SL!
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Luix
5 years, 1 month ago
I still regret letting go of my Iron Horse Maverick MKIII, with a PUSHed Fox Float and a Chris King headset. Even when it cracked and I had to get a friend to fabricate a new rear triangle, it was a blast to ride on tight singletracks. My first dual suspension frame, and to date the one with best pedalling characteristics.
BTW, I'm loving these reflective pieces you put out every now and then Andrew. Please keep them coming.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Thanks!
This is really the sort of thing that writes itself when you’re out riding. So many A+ people out there on mountain bikes it’s hard not to get inspired.
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JT
5 years, 1 month ago
Brutal. Mine is a toss between my Bontrager Race or DeKerf Implant MTBs. I learned suicide no handers on the Bonty, and had one of the best 4 days in Moab on the Implant.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Wow; definitely both keepers.
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AdeMiller
5 years, 1 month ago
Orange P7 nickel plated frame with rigid front fork. My first ever MTB from the 90s. By today's standards it was a horrific ride, a steep headtube and 100mm stem meant going OTB in any sort if crash was mandatory. Although that was preferable to landing on the top tube.
I still miss it.
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Kelownakona
5 years, 1 month ago
Nothing as flashy but after a couple of pseudo-mtbs in the early 90's my first 'proper' mountain bike was a 98 GT Tequesta. Man I wish I still had that now 20 years later
... And if it still had the Mozo Pros I fitted...
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Andy Eunson
5 years, 1 month ago
I see a bike as a tool for riding. I can’t think of anything I regret selling. I do not regret sending that POS Joplin post to recycling. I regret or wish the Chromag qr collars I have would fit my bikes but they are all the wrong size. The only keepsakes I have are old team jerseys. Even then I have few of those because I wear them out.
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Luke Kozakiewicz
5 years, 1 month ago
I regret selling my 2013 NS Soda Air. It was a 26" bike, the suspension design wasn't brilliant, it was absolutely too small for me, especially by today's standards.
But it was my first Full Suspension mountain bike, and the first bike that I purchased as a young independent man completely with my own money. It saw me from messing around small blue schmuck trails in Ontario to moving out west and riding pipe dream at silver star.
The year after I moved out I started working at a shop, and 2.5 years after owning the thing I sold it for like $1700 bucks, because how much can you get for a fairly entry level 26" bike, even in 2016? At the time I wanted the money for a fancy staff purchased carbon Trek with the 'much-improved' 27.5 wheels. Looking back a few years later, it was pretty clear that I could have just gotten the Trek without selling my Soda. I'd like to still have the Soda now because of how much fun I had on it, how much I progressed on it in my formative mountain bike years ,and the fact that it represented something really special to me, as it was the first 'real' thing that I purchased for myself as an adult.
I've looked for it since. I saw a person who had it on pinkbike who purchased it from whoever I sold it to, but he wanted way too much for it. I've been looking again since and nothing. I know I wouldn't ride it. I just want it to be on the wall. I just want it around again.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
This is an awesome story; way better than mine. Thank you for sharing!
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GT dad
5 years, 1 month ago
I regret selling a schinn sierra frameset (1986) that bought new in Ann Arbour Mich. It had all the welding ons for racks and I rode western uplands in Algonquin park before they knew what mtb's were and banned them there. It was as really well made frame. I always had built my bikes up since high school. My next bike wsa 88 GT karakoram with a ll the upgrades of the time (full deore) scot at 4 bars , odyssey seat post pump which still works , salsa stem and the very first clipless mtb pedals made (look sport). This bike I still have in pretty minty condition with all the parts except my Hite rite seat spring adjuster, a had road wheels custom made for it at one point and fitted a 53 tooth chainrinng and and got it working pretty well in 3x setup.(took awhile though).
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Velocipedestrian
5 years, 1 month ago
My '05 26" Pike. 20mm axle, 140mm u-turn coil.
Replaced with a Sektor, only to discover the difference stiffness makes.
I still have older bikes and parts, and newer things I love to ride, but that one felt like a mistake. I'd love to put it back on the DMR Trailstar.
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kekoa
5 years, 1 month ago
I've got that fork on my beater! It's awesome.
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ackshunW
5 years, 1 month ago
Hi velociraptor,
I think we’ve traded comments before about 1-1/8” 20mm forks before. Just so happens I have a coil uturn Pike that just got liberated. I would love for it to go to a good home. PM me if interested.
My regret is a F&R set of Brooklyn Machine Works snot rocket v-brakes- they were a total pain to set up and maintain (deflate tire every time I took off the wheel), incredibly strong and gloriously unrefined looking. Purchased right out of their shop on Powers Street in BK. I ebayed them for good $$ to someone in Norway I think. Meanwhile I still live in Brooklyn with zero bike parts that have BROOKLYN machined into them. Life is strange.
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Velocipedestrian
5 years, 1 month ago
Great offer, thanks! But - I'm way down the bottom of the world in South New Zanada, shipping might be a little prohibitive.
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Tremeer023
5 years, 1 month ago
I had some original Brooklyn Machine Works Shinburger pedals in bling silver. They had little grip despite being dangerously spikey, and weighed as much as an off shore oil rig, but still wish I'd kept hold of them.
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Andrew Major
5 years ago
I tried the Shinburgers once in a dry urban night adventure in Vancouver and my review would have been how can a pedal that cruel offer so little grip?!
Still, loved following what the company made. The word ‘honest’ comes to mind but I mean it in the sense of brutally so.
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Mammal
5 years, 1 month ago
Such a great fork! I had one on a Santa Cruz Heckler.
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otagoboy
5 years, 1 month ago
Two bikes I would have back tomorrow;
Yeti ASR5C with SRAM xx1 and a Lefty; Hope brakes, Mavic wheels. Light fast and a blast.
Original Ibis Mojo with a Rohloff hub on the back. Not the best weight distribution but never faltered for 5 yrs. +38 degrees Celsius to -35C (Edmonton, Canada). 5 oil changes and one chain the only drivetrain maintenance. And Ibis were great - asked them about grinding a bit of carbon away to allow clearance for the Rohloff and they said the 0.5mm I needed was fine by them!
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Cam McRae
5 years, 1 month ago
I had a purple anodized Demo 7 that was a design sample and came directly from Specialized. It was a size medium and too small for me by any standard, but I loved it! Such a great handling bike by every measure. It ended up in Dan Gronross' hands and to my knowledge the frame hangs in his home. I even found a photo of her dirty. I wouldn't say I regret selling her, but I miss her. As well as my 26" Enduro S-Works that I built with solid components to 26.5 lbs. You can just barely make out my first ever bike in the background of this shot, behind my Rocky road bike (no regrets). It has solid tires and was a fixie before they were cool and seemed to have been stuck together by a plumber, but it is literally the first bike I ever pedalled. I use the present tense because I still have that one!
Behold the Purple Princess
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Brad Sedola
5 years, 1 month ago
I miss my single crown Dorado. Sexy carbon fiber legs. 20mm axle. 5 inches of what-was-old-is-new-again coil sprung travel. I wonder how it would have fared with modern fat tires. I'm pretty sure I ran a 3" Gazzaloddi without issue.
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Andy Lewis
5 years, 1 month ago
My 2006 SX trail 😢
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peterk
5 years, 1 month ago
I just sold a 26" Stans Arch, Hadley rear hub wheelset that served me well. It was 12x135 (yup), my main bike is boost, and the 142mm end caps seem hard to find, so time will tell if I come to regret that one.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
Tough one. End cap and a Boostinator kit, fresh build. Rear hub makes the bike.
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AndrewR
5 years, 1 month ago
I would like to have my original GT Zaskar LE frame that I raced in my first sponsored season. My best placing was a 3rd but I felt like a total hero being on the podium and I loved that raw frame.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
I wanted one so bad. A few guys who worked at the shop I went to had the raw ones for a couple years. Couple of different colours of Judy and one with an AMP if memory serves.
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nick bitar
5 years, 1 month ago
That sounds awesome, I love the old GT’s!
I had a mid nineties Avalanche. The cheap Zaskar.
Ball burnished Alloy frame and team blue and yellow logos, aghhh! It was awesome! The Mag21 forks may not have aged as well however.
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Jitensha Kun
5 years, 1 month ago
I was able to re-own a circa-1996/95 Norco Team ST that had benefited from an upgrade in 1998 (Sid and V-brakes). I thought it'd be this awesome bike, given I'd ridden handmade steel and Ti for years in that era. Was I in for a shock. Geometry and tubesets rooted in 1970s road bikes make for terrible bikes as compared to today's bikes. The "jewel of the 90s" was a deathtrap compared to my modern bikes.
I sold it to someone that was more nostalgic than me and I'm sure he's very happy with it.
I don't regret a single bike part I've sold or moved on from.
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Meister
5 years, 1 month ago
Sellers remorse my second mountain bike a cannondale super V. XTR v-brakes titanium ti spokes on ceramic coated mavic rims and the original headshock. Oh what a bike that Big Fat Banana swingarm and fat tubes was awe inspiring.
Sold it to a buddy that trashed it and threw it away . Sad sad face.
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Pnwpedal
5 years, 1 month ago
I actually regret selling my 2007 Stinky Deluxe too soon... I got it in a trade and it was either an XL or XXL, when I ride larges 99% of the time. It felt GOOD to ride but the size always bugged me so I sold it within 6 months. Looking back and knowing what I know now, the geometry was actually perfect in the larger size and I should have held onto it and ridden it more. Instead I jumped onto a too-small hardtail that was fun to jump but terrible to ride like a real MTB.
This was back in... 2009ish... So we were still in the dark ages of geometry. And I'm an old BMX guy that took way too long to embrace longer bikes.
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Andrew Major
5 years, 1 month ago
It’s funny, I remember a guy coming into the shop in maybe 2009 (?) with a ‘sized up’ first generation Knolly V-Tack and a Race Face XY offset post flipped around to massively steepen the pedaling position.
The only issue was the long seat tube prevented him from dropping the saddle as far as he wanted.
An interesting look forward all the same.
...
Different person but also a gen.1 (2004) V-Tach and a couple years earlier (maybe 2006 or 2007?), I ran into this guy running 9-speed SRAM 11-34t with a 24t up front with a modified chain guide and talking crazy about the death of the front derailleur.
In retrospect, all the Knolly riders I met back when the brand was getting going where pretty interesting folks.
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Pnwpedal
5 years, 1 month ago
It's been a strange journey for MTB geometry over the last 20 years.
In my Kona's case it was actually a 17" full length seat tube, 66.5°HA, 73.5°SA, and 24.6" ETT. Yeah, it was heavy and 170mm of travel... But I've ridden worse geometry that came out much more recently.
Those Knolly guys sound like visionaries... The original "forward geometry" and real 1x climbing setups.
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Heinous
5 years, 1 month ago
My Moots CX bike was stolen last year, and even though I didn't sell it it's probably the only bikeI've parted ways with that breaks my heart still. God knows it spent more time on mountainbike trails than lapping races.
After that, I feel the occasional twinge for my steel Voodoo Bakka circa 2001.
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Andrew Bruce
5 years, 1 month ago
My regret is selling my Intense Slopestyle mk1, particularly as I sold it only 3 years ago and for not much money. Great park bike and for hammering round the Surrey Hills here in the UK. A tad short, but fast, burly, poppy, and in raw aluminium looked very “factory”.
Going back a lot (lot) further I sold a bike with PowerGrips. These were an alternative to toe clips and pre-dated SPDs as far as I remember. I’ve ridden flats for the last 10 years and wouldn’t go back, but would be great to try them out again! Turns out they still make them!
http://www.powergrips.com
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Andrew Major
5 years ago
Power Grips are still fairly common on the road anywhere there are fixies present. They’re actually owned by MRP.
Still love the factory look of a raw Intense. Those Socom FRO bikes... Mmmmm
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Kelownakona
5 years, 1 month ago
Nothing as flashy but after a couple of pseudo-mtbs in the early 90's my first 'proper' mountain bike was a 98 GT Tequesta. Man I wish I still had that now 20 years later
... And if it still had the Mozo Pros I fitted...
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Bavaria 2.0
5 years ago
Yes. The original DH trail bike.
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Bavaria 2.0
5 years ago
Yes. The original DH trail bike.
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UFO
5 years ago
Could that brass Chromag QR lever not have just bolted onto a 34.9 or whatever you need clamp? *sorry*
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UFO
5 years ago
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Zackary Norquay
3 years, 3 months ago
I have one of these brass lever seat clamps ! I always thought it was super cool aha
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eshew
1 year, 5 months ago
Kona King Kahuna team paint. Was one size small, I should have made it work but I didn't. A poor choice.
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