Pistons and Pivots

Scott and Carrie's 1989 Ford E250 and Forbidden Dreadnoughts

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Pistons and Pivots features cool vehicles with character, and a little about their owners and the bikes they ride.


His and Hers.

Hello Carrie and Scott, what rigs are we looking at here?

A 1989 Ford E250 7.3L Diesel and two Forbidden Bike Company Dreadnoughts.


Tuxedo might be in his golden years but he clearly rules the roost and is spry as can be.

How did the two of you meet?

Scott - We met in Carrie's hometown of Golden, British Columbia, while I was working/living being a ski bum. 

Carrie - When the bike trails finally melted and the rest of the ski bums had taken off I think we got to chatting and found out each-other would be biking for the summer. I bought a 2nd hand bike and invited Scott to come ride with my aunt and I. Riding with my family and through nasty mosquitos didn’t scare him away so we continued until I moved to the coast that fall. 

Scott joined me and in Vancouver a year later and we tried a few of the Seymour rides but always ended up hike 'n' biking on our very short travel cross country older bikes. We updated our bikes to matching Giant Reigns and finally took on the North Shore in style. We’ve been biking everywhere we can since. Still have more places to check out around British Columbia and will be heading to Chamonix in May to try out some biking there. Other countries on the bucket list are Peru and Slovenia . 

Those local trail networks in Golden have since expanded and we love going back any chance we get. Still hate the mosquitos. 


This van has been some places, seen some things and is ready for any adventure thrown its way.

How did you end up with the Van?

Scott - We ended up with it via a client. Colin, the former owner of Island Surf Co. had bought it 10 years prior from a client of his, Bing Surfboards in Encinitas, California. He bought it to take on Baja surf trips. Carrie and I had been on the lookout for a van for about a year, keeping our eyes on Craigslist. I test drove one option in Campbell River ahead of a meeting with Colin and was telling him about it. He gave me a little wink and said we should go out to his barn after our meeting. Lo and behold, he had exactly what we were looking for in his barn and was willing to sell it.   


Classic, comfy, and ergonomic for those long drives.

Does it have a name?

Scott - We have tried a few names over the years, yet we always seem to come back to 'Old White' which is a trend between a couple of other Old White trucks that we have had over the years. 


Coffee and a damn good co-pilot are key ingredients to any adventure.

Where have you taken it?

Scott - Mostly the West Coast through Washington and Oregon on surf and bike trips. We have gone to Moab, Utah, a few times as well as Colorado and Montana. Also a lot around British Columbia including Cumberland, Tofino, Sunshine Coast, the Kootenays, Kelowna, Golden, and Revelstoke. We would love to take it back down to Baja one day but it's always a matter of how much time we can take off work. 

What's on the to-do list for 'Old White'?

Scott - We would love to do a window on the sliding door for airflow and because the blind spots are quite big as you might imagine. With almost 30-year-old paint (OW was actually blue until '95) she is due for another coat of paint or a wrap soon so she doesn't rust out with all the rain and salt we have in the Pacific Northwest. Other than that, a pop top and back seat would be awesome but that's way down the line if we win the lottery! 


Double Dreadnoughts.

Alright, now the bikes! What are we looking at here?


Frame: Small Forbidden Dreadnought 
Fork: Fox 38
Rear Shock: RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate 
Wheels: E-thirteen rims + DT Swiss Hubs
Tires Maxxis Assegai Front and DHR II rear 
Any notable specs: OneUp Components Carbon bars (always!), Shimano XT drivetrain, and RideWrap! 


Frame: Large Forbidden Dreadnought 
Fork: RockShox Zeb Ultimate 
Rear Shock: RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate 
Wheels: We Are One rims + I9 Hydra Hubs 
Tires: Schwalbe Magic Mary Front, Big Betty Rear
Pedals: Chromag Scarab
Notable specs: GX AXS + XO1 Drivetrain, OneUp Carbon bars and RideWrap. Purple accents: valve stems, grips, chain guide & pedals.  

Tell us about the Fast and Floral crew?

Carrie:  The Fast and Floral crew is a group of ladies in the Sea to Sky who love riding bikes and wearing floral. We are all different levels but have helped each other hone skills we’ve been wanting develop. From pushing each other to do the climbs, to getting on the harder trails, to tow-ins on bigger drops/ features at the bike park. 

We love getting more women out riding and spreading the stoke for mountain biking in the community. We’ve partnered with a few Sea to Sky businesses and have been putting on some community bike rides in Whistler and Pemberton. 


Thank you Scott, Carrie and of course, Tuxedo!

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+2 Cooper Quinn Ride.DMC

Why did you guys pick Dreadnoughts over other bikes?


+1 TristanC

Vans for the win. I never understand why pickups are more popular when vans are just more practical. 

Here in the UK vans are way more commonplace at the trails than pickups.



nice rides


+1 BarryW

Love the matching bikes!



Nice feature Hailey, I always enjoy these articles.

And way to be a badass inspiration for women in the mtb world. On behalf of my wife and daughter that both ride; thank you! Keep being awesome.


0 Pete Roggeman tmoore

Is it a 4x4?  Sort of looks like it, but didn't see it in the description.

I was actually just looking at one like this, an offroad racing shop near me had built one up during Covid to keep themselves busy (no racing).  Super cool setup, 4x4, 460 gas engine with EFI conversion, light bars, roof rack, custom bumpers, lifted, 35" tires.  Even had an onboard generator and air compressor.  But...still needed some work and they were asking a little much for it.



Sounds like a sweet ride but that 460 is a thirsty, thirsty beast.  I have a 92 F-250 with the 351 and I get like 10-12 mpg.  My buddy has a 460 and he's getting 8 or less most of the time.


+1 imnotdanny

Yup, 8mpg if you are lucky.  With the lift, tires and other equipment on that thing, I wouldn't be surprised to see 5mpg.  Another reason I did not purchase it! 

I am currently working on doing an LS swap in a '93 Suburban 4x4, hoping to see a jump in gas mileage compared to the old 7.4L.



It's not yet! That being said, it's in their plans to maybe switch it to 4x4 at one point.



Cool!  Always dug those 4x4 Sportsmobile conversions, used to see them all over Colorado.  Pricey though!



unrideable with front suspension....  /s


0 tmoore Velocipedestrian kamloops_rider Duncan Wright Rob_Grain DadStillRides IslandLife Shoreboy mrbrett Mammal [email protected] Bikeryder85 Taiki kcy4130

I love this website and the reporting. I normally wouldn't bother to comment as it would just be noise but in this case given the proactive audience of NSMB and well written and edited articles I have a question:

How do people who spend so much time enjoying nature justify a vehicle that returns <10mpg and has massive NOx emissions due to the diesel? At what point do we take personal responsibility for our environmental impact? Why are websites like NSMB who depend on nature glorifying such environmental disasters of vehicles? Have any of the Pistons and Pivots rides returned fuel economy better than 25mpg? There are other opinions for transportation....


0 Rob_Grain IslandLife

I am going to take a stab at this and say it may be a little difficult to live, or at least travel, like they do out of a Toyota Prius.

Edit: I would also argue that living out of a vehicle that returns less than 10 mpg still uses and pollutes a lot less than the standard white picket fence/consumerism way of living.


+2 trioofchaos Rob_Grain IslandLife Shoreboy

Thanks for responding. The article doesn't specify that they live out of the van. The context to me implied travel is its primary purpose. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If travel is the purpose your point is basically that it's more convenient to use the van. I agree. It is. My question is how do you justify that? Why a 7.3L diesel over a more efficient van of similar size?


-1 IslandLife

That is fair. I would agree that in an ideal situation a 7.3 is definitely not what is best for the environment around us. Though at that point it probably comes down to budget, what's available in the local market, and a few other factors.


+2 kamloops_rider Rob_Grain IslandLife burnskiez

Yeah I was thinking about that too and I'm still not seeing it. They have 10ish k in bikes on the back and she is in a pair of $200 blundstones. I'm making assumptions again but I assume they have enough disposable income to factor environmental aspects into the decision making process. 

I'm probably reading too much into this..


+3 Zombo Bikeryder85 Andrew Major

As someone that daily drives a 91 Ford Econoline van I like to think that driving something made over 30 years ago IS a form of environmental responsibility. I like to remind myself that the concept of 'sustainable' in vehicles is pretty much solely driven by the marketing departments of car companies. 

Now, mine is a straight 6, that gets 18 mpg city/hwy so it's actually pretty good. But I think that when we look at the actual environmental cost of new vehicles it isn't often they are more 'environmental' than older already manufactured vehicles. All environmental costs considered.


+2 vunugu BarryW

> British Petroleum, the second largest non-state owned oil company in the world, with 18,700 gas and service stations worldwide, hired the public relations professionals Ogilvy & Mather to promote the slant that climate change is not the fault of an oil giant, but that of individuals. It’s here that British Petroleum, or BP, first promoted and soon successfully popularized the term “carbon footprint” in the early aughts. The company unveiled its “carbon footprint calculator” in 2004 so one could assess how their normal daily life – going to work, buying food, and (gasp) traveling – is largely responsible for heating the globe.


+2 BarryW tmoore

So we traveled to Canada in 2019. The environment there is staggering. Absolutely beautiful. 

I have a distinct memory of being at the visitor center between Banff and Jasper eating lunch while we looked at the glacier. Everything at the visitor center was single use. Plastic plates, cutlery, soda bottles etc. After looking at the glacier I went round the back (bc I'm strange af) of the visitor center and saw the waste disposal operation. It was epic. And they truck the trash a few 100km out. So on one hand I'm guilty. I flew to Calgary and rented a car and drove around. I probably would again. On the other hand it would have had zero impact on my day to not use single use plastics at lunch. Why not wash plates instead of trucking trash a 100km? 

I feel the same why about this van. One one hand I'm stoked for Scott and Carrie. They get to hang out and do what they enjoy. That's sick. But on the other hand they chose a van that gets <10mpg and given it's age probably has no cat or particulate filters. For the same net cost and no impact on their fun they could have gotten something significantly less damaging to the environment. 

I'm genuinely happy to hear from the people who have OG white vans. I like that you kept them running and use them.  I would do the same thing in your position. The difference to me between your cans and this van is that you had it already. You didn't go out and choose it. 

I'm also interested to hear from the NSMB team and how they see their responsibility in promoting decisions that reduce their readers individually impact on the environment while still bringing the stoke to mountain biking. There has to be low hanging fruit.

If this consideration is due to BP's consulting dollars I'm 100% ok with it. I do believe that there are small things we can do that don't result in a big difference in our day to day but will have an impact on the environment.

+1 Hayden.Cameron


Does it count if my OG is a red van?


+6 ShawMac Zombo Rob_Grain BarryW kcy4130 SkinBike

I think its good to be glorifying keeping something going from 1989! 

Is it better than buying a newer van with lower tailpipe emissions but took a bunch more resources to build? I don't know. But I don't think its condemmable. 

We could all point fingers at each other if we wanted. 

(I do get what you are saying though!)


+5 pbass Zombo BarryW DadStillRides Hayden.Cameron

This!!!  How much oil is required in constructing a new car, think of all the plastics and synthetic materials.  Then the actual production of each of those bits, along with transporting them to all the various factories for assembly as well as then moving across oceans in many cases for final sale.  None of its as simple as buy a prius save the world anymore.  How many prius owners use their cars for unnecessary trips now just because its affordable.  Too many different factors at play here to throw sticks and stones at someone.  

Best to keep what you have working as long as possible and then purchase the cleanest thing you can afford when it comes to upgrade time.  Hard to beat driving a 2000s era honda civic/accord type vehicle until the wheels fall off


+1 pbass Rob_Grain IslandLife [email protected] Bikeryder85

That's a really good point. I do respect keeping old stuff going instead of getting new. I'm not throwing stones, I'm genuinely interested in how people justify their impact on the environment. I'm not perfect.

For this van why are we not talking about updating the cat and retrofitting a Diesel Particulate Filter to reduce the environmental footprint? Retrofit cost would be comparable to 1 of the bikes. Like this you make it better than it was when new.



We have a similar "old White" camper, albeit much more fuel economical than a 7.3 diesel. Our 42-year-old 2.0L engine stinks when not tuned correctly (done with an allen key in the parking lot), drips oil when the valve cover gaskets slip (more often than you'd think), and never had a cat (except the two which jump around the inside with us).

The amount of driving we do in Fritz is infinitesimally small compared to the milage we would have to put on to justify the cost of a new Sprinter, the financial impact of a van that sits in the carport 90% of the time justifies it for us. One less vehicle in the scrapyard, one less being mined out of the earth.

I just wish he wasn't rusting away slowly.


+3 Sven Luebke BarryW Zombo Crabbypants IslandLife

If you’re participating in our current western society you are by default consuming at an unsustainable rate. The choices you make within this system are largely window dressing and feel good exercises.


+4 tmoore IslandLife Hayden.Cameron OneShavedLeg

I beg to differ. Yes, corporate and global industries like construction, power plants, manufacturing etc. have BIG impact on total greenhouse emissions, but there is a lot an individual CAN do. If you burn a gallon of fuel, the emissions WILL be in the atmosphere. If you DON’T, they won’t be.

Especially if your income lies above the global average (which it probably does, if you own a device to post in this board), you have choice and responsibility.

Every bit you do for the environment WILL have an impact. And if you lead by example, others CAN follow. It‘s like democracy…

I am no saint, I consume more than I ideally should, but my family rearranged our lifes a couple years ago and reduced our carbon footprint by 60-80 percent. While changing our way of life a bit, it for sure didn‘t decrease our happiness. It is much cheaper, we could/do work less now, with more biking btw.

While I find these articles on cars well written, with great pictures and I also am emphatic with the joy these cars hopefully bring to their owners, I wondered several times if the glorification of cars on a biking website is right.

I love vintage cars and these travel vehicles suggest great freedom, that‘s why everyone loves the idea. If I am totally honest though, I am experiencing freedom much more intensively if I just ride my bike. Even on local trails, pedalling right from the doorstep TO the trails, or build or repair trails.


+2 Hayden.Cameron OneShavedLeg

Fully agree... a lot of people these days are shoving their heads in the sand and saying anything we do won't make a difference.  They're completely wrong.  Every person that does one little thing joins another and another and another... pretty soon the sum of those small things ends up equaling a substantial impact.




The government has a good overview of Canadian emissions summarized in various ways. I just glanced at the data and maybe someone with more expertise in this field can correct me, but if you look at per capita emissions for Canadians they are being reported as a portion of the aggregate industrial emissions of the whole economy. This includes both domestic use (like heating homes) and export. I suspect in a country with a geographically diffuse population in a cold climate and economically reliant on natural resources that consumer behavior is a drop in the bucket. Or, because we're talking about gasses, a fart in the greenhouse. Despite that, some of the recent talk in the bike industry about its environmental impact is encouraging. The thought of all those carbon bikes in the landfill when their axles and bottom brackets become obsolete pisses me off.


+1 Hayden.Cameron

My point is that by thinking that you can participate in our society in any way whatsoever and make a difference to the trajectory that this planet is on WRT environmental collapse is actually burying your head in the sand.



I would replace "society" with "economy", but yes, burning fossil fuels is so integral to the whole system of economy and infrastructure that major structural change is necessary. I think doing so would have a major impact on the quality of life that even the "greenest" of Canadians enjoy.


Well I hope you're right, but when you do the math on this stuff the changes that we make as within our society can only have a very limited and local effect.  We won't "save" the planet, we just aren't that powerful.  We also can't kill it.  We're going extinct, and that's okay, it's what happens to virtually all organisms and we're not special.

We can change the local conditions however so yes, retaining habitat, ecosystem functionality, air and water quality etc. will benefit US a great deal.  But let's fool ourselves, we're doing it for us, not because we're going to be able to "save" the planet for all of life.  Life doesn't need our help, it persists.


+1 OneShavedLeg


This assessment sounds a lot more realistic to me, and a bit fatalistic also. 

In geologic times human society will (most certainly) be a mere blink (which could mean a couple hundred thousand years or a couple hundred million years).  Like several organisms/systems of organisms which "dominated" earth for longer or shorter periods in the past 4.5 billion years, we humans affect our environment as a species. Like them we will be extinct at some point or changed so much that we probably wouldn't register our far descendants as humans. (maybe A.I. will be our heritage?) 

If we look at a human timescale rather than a geological one however, I'm sure there are some people in the world who'd argue for or even benefit, if we made sure that the planet won't be largely inhabitable for humans in the next 30-50 years. Every year, decade, century or millennium we postpone this state would be a win (especially for posterity and people who still want to live).  

Why isn't that an argument for living/milking the moment in the sense, why care, we are fucked anyway? 

Because we can greatly influence the rate at which we degrade our habitat and there are new ways, means and systems (not ONLY technological) which were never available before and might offer solutions or prolong the inevitable (remember, in geological timescales). 

I also believe that human consciousness and ability to reflect, morals, scientific and social progress should be a motivation to try and make things better. 

Imagine if everybody in the 18th century would have accepted slavery, hunger, disease, (religion ;-)) or the absence of human rights as inevitable and as a consequence would have given up. There'd be no bikes today, illegal trail builders would be hanged or quartered and for what it's worth, my life would have been a lot worse for that alone. 

We as consumers and individuals form society, economy and global populace and I therefore am of the decided opinion that we can influence or at least try to influence the direction we/it/this is going, however small that individual influence might or might not be. 

I am not trying to convert/brainwash anyone here, I DO enjoy the conversation and find it remarkable, that the tone stays polite even with this topic, which is a big compliment for the NSMB audience not many online communities warrant!


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