
REVIEW
Riding the 2026 Santa Cruz Bullit in Powell River
The text arrived out of the blue. "What if I hop on a ferry, pick you up, and we go ride the new Bullit in Powell River for a few days?"
Seb holds down marketing duties at Santa Cruz, but prior to that, he wrote for NSMB (and bike), built sick secret trails, and was the architect of several adventures of excellence. For one winter he even lived on the Shore and occasionally joined Cam and me on midday rides in weather so bad that we might have wondered if we wouldn't have been happier in an office.
A lot of work goes into reviewing a bike, and sometimes eBikes are even trickier. In the case of the new Santa Cruz Bullit, we have a lot of ground to cover. It's a four-bar! Bosch motor, size specific chain stays, slacker and steeper...a lot of the same key themes from the Vala that Santa Cruz launched late last year, but as the one standing guard on the big travel end of the spectrum, the Bullit feels like the one they were building up to.
Because he's the kind of guy that doesn't like to sit still for too long, Seb Kemp decided to turn this exercise into a challenge. Rather than leave a bike with us for months, we cut the test period down to a week and a half. And since we were both feeling squirrelly after a cold, wet start to Spring, I let him 'pressure me' into that 2-day trip to Powell River. Why test a bike for a few months on trails I know when there's a chance to compress it into less than two weeks, including some trails I don't? I eventually just gave in to the best kind of peer pressure, confirmed Deniz's attendance - which took about three seconds - and we got to work.

The 2026 Bullit in Gloss Black. You can't see it here and despite the name, in certain light the colour is actually a deep cacao. Alongside the chrome highlights, it looks amazing.

The other colourway is Matte Teal Sparkle, also a stunner.
2025 Santa Cruz Bullit Key Details (bullit point form, naturally)
- 170mm travel front and rear
- Four-bar suspension layout
- Slackest HTA (63.3º) and steepest STA (77.4º true or 78.7º effective) ever on a SC bike made to be pedaled
- Mx wheels on all sizes - Bullit comes in S to XXL
- Size specific chainstay lengths
- CC and C carbon frames - all models under 50lbs or 22.7kgs
- Flip chips allow independent tuning to Geo & Progression
- Seatstay bridge and one-piece bridged link to prevent side loading on shock
- Typical SC attention to bearing/frame detail:
- Oversized bearings are pressed into hardware instead of the frame
- Captive axles = easier replacements, no dropping pieces everywhere
- Main pivots use preloading collet axle & expanding wedge
- Replaceable threads; no special tools to service/replace bearings
- Free bearing replacements for life (like all Santa Cruz frames)
- Bosch Performance Line CX Gen 5 Motor
- 600 Wh battery, optional 250 Wh range extender
- Starting at 9,649 CAD / 7,399 USD

The ferry from Earls Cove to Saltery Bay travels NE along Agamemnon Channel followed by a sharp turn into the narrows between Nelson and Captain Islands before bearing west. It's rare to be this close to shore for so long on one of BC Ferries' big boats, and the scenery is magnificent.

Brodie is a Powell River resident and rider. He spotted us as we drove onto the ferry and offered us a tour of the bridge.

We obviously said yes.

Rory isn't a rider but he was hauling the mail at the helm.

Who can resist sweet gauges? Not quite an official Pistons & Pivots but next time we'll ask if we can look under the hood.

Instructions seem clear.

Gabe was first officer. Also a rider and top fellow.

For the first time in ages, the weather forecast was wrong in our favour. We had two days of sun and warm temps.
Powell River & Area Key Facts
- Also known as the Upper or Northern Sunshine Coast, Powell River sits near the eastern shores of Malaspina Strait.
- From Horseshoe Bay in West Vancouver, take the 40-minute ferry to Langdale. Drive for about 70 minutes to Earls Cove, passing through Roberts Creek, Wilson Creek, and Sechelt (all have good riding but the extra push is worth it). Take another (very beautiful) ferry to Saltery Bay. Drive a final 25 minutes and you'll be in Powell River.
- Powell River has 400+ kms of trails and they are actively adding more.
- The QRCA (Qathet Regional Cycling Association) has 575 members, who put in 5,500+ hours of volunteer work on the trails last year.
- The QRCA - who seem very good at grant writing - are in the middle of a multi-phase project, adding trails on Mount Mahony that are being built by Whistler-based Howler Contracting.
- qathet means "working together". It was gifted by Tla'amin Elders as a new name for the qathet Regional District in British Columbia, formerly known as the Powell River Regional District. The word is intentionally lowercase, as Tla'amin Nation traditional orthography does not use capital letters.
- The population of Powell River and surrounding area is about 20,000, making it the largest town on the Sunshine Coast.


Most of the big news for the '26 Bullit centres around what you can see here: four-bar, Gen 5 Bosch, new Float X2, size-specific chainstays, Mx wheels.

If you're having trouble deciding if you're looking at a Vala or a Bullit, the forward angle of the shock indicates it's a Bullit - on the Vala it's vertical.

We wish more brands paid as much attention to head badges as Santa Cruz does.

A dirty loam shelf is a happy one. If bikes had taints, this small fender would be a taint guard.
Frame Details
At 170mm front and back, the Bullit is a big 'un. Santa Cruz is calling it a downhill bike with a chairlift, and minus the dual crown fork, it's an apt description. As with the Vala, the first thing most will notice is that the Bullit is a four-bar layout, not VPP. As with the Vala, Santa Cruz was careful to remind us they're not abandoning VPP, but these two were developed concurrently, when four-bar was decided upon for a variety of reasons, including space constraints dictated by using Bosch motors.
All Bullits come in Mx wheel configurations, sizing now starts at S instead of M and goes up to XXL, and every size gets its own chain stay length. Seat post insertion depth is excellent, with the size L I tested coming with a 210mm post but happy to take a longer one if you wanted.
Not only is the Bullit a full carbon frame, but it's offered in C or CC options, depending on trim level. Many other Santa Cruz hallmarks are also part of the package, including very well thought out frame hardware that is easy to work on, oversized bearings (free replacements for life), and a one-piece bridged link that, in conjunction with a seatstay bridge, keeps things laterally stiff. That stiffness means the shock isn't subjected to side-loading which lets it focus on being awesome instead of twisting and binding.

The Bosch display is effective, but simple. Sharp eyes will note the black spacer. Stay tuned, we'll have more on that soon.

The Bosch controller is easy to reach and use but I'd like to see the activation pressure increased slightly. Walk mode still sucks, just like on every other eBike; you need it when it's steep and usually uneven ground, making it hard to hold your thumb on the lever while making your way up.

Finally, someone's getting charge doors right. This one is easy to open and seal shut, seems to keep the elements out, and doesn't look like it'll snap off after 20 uses.
Bosch Performance Line CX Gen 5 Motor
Bosch's grip on the motor world remains solid. The Gen 5 Performance Line CX is quieter, more efficient, and has a more natural pedal feel. Zero rattle from anywhere, less motor whine than before, same great Bosch feel. The top tube-mounted screen remains more minimal than I'd like but that's being addressed shortly. Time after time, we get 10-12% more range from a Bosch-equipped bike with the same battery size than one from Shimano or Dyname, and the pedal dynamics are better, with reliability and durability on another planet. We'll have thoughts on DJI in a few months but for now, Bosch is an easy recommend.
Finally, the Bosch app is simple to use and offers robust amounts of control and customization. Firmware updates happen over the air via the phone app (no dealer visits and annoying dongles) and the ride modes offer tweaks and tricks like Auto mode which detects your style of riding you're doing and how much power you're asking for, and adapts automatically on a rolling 5km basis to make sure you use your juice efficiently. Clever Germans.

Geo adjust flip chip. Easy to do on a ride in a couple minutes without worrying about dropping parts on the trail.

Shock progression flip chip gives a Hi/Lo (29 or 26%) adjustment that is independent of geometry. As it should be.

Another look at the shock flipper as well as the new X2's stacked HSR and LSR knobs, which are tucked without being impossible to reach.


You might get a sense of the cacao highlights if you look near the head tube and squint. Check it out in person, it's hot.
Geometry
Two flip chips allow you to control geo (deltas of 4mm BB height and 0.3º of head tube angle) and progression (26 or 29%) independently of each other. The Bullit is the slackest and steepest bike Santa Cruz has made (non-DH bike category) with 63.3º HTA and 78.7º effective STA numbers.
I normally ride an XL but my tester's size Large reach and stack - at 480 and 640mm, respectively - did a pretty good job of bridging me up into L+ territory, so I wasn't out of room to negotiate with my riding position, although I think I'd stick with XL. I only rode the Bullit in the Hi position, but having spent a day on the Vala (which offers identical flip chip adjustment numbers) in Lo before switching over, I can confirm that the difference is noticeable. For trail riding on the Sunshine Coast as well as Squamish and Chilliwack, I preferred the Hi setting. I'd likely switch to Lo for a day in the bike park but otherwise appreciated the added margin for pedal strikes and slightly quicker feel.
I'll add here that all Bullits are spec'd with 155mm cranks, which felt great and kept pedal strikes to a minimum, and I did touch rock and dirt several times, but never unexpectedly.

2026 Santa Cruz Bullit Geometry.

"No, I can't believe this weather, either".

Even the clear cuts in Powell River are scenic. Upper right is Mach Loonie's famous rock slab.

That's the one. It's got quite a long transition from granite to dirt at the bottom. Andrew made airing into it look easy, but on a return visit I think that's in reach.

Seb's usually saying something funny or interesting.

Johanna chasing me through lower Mach Loonie.
Mount Mahony - Trail Riding Paradise
I'd been to Powell River before, and ridden a very limited amount on Mount Mahony. Seb's ridden through PR, but usually on a gravel bike in endurance-ride induced semi-consciousness, and Deniz had never been. To make the most of our 2 days in town, Seb reached out to a couple of locals for a little help. Johanna Jackson and Andrew Roddan are Powell River residents and more importantly, Mahony Mobsters which, like all good posses, sounds menacing but really just means 'builders and riders on Mount Mahony'. They're young and hungry - Andrew was born in PR and has come back to put down roots in his hometown. Johanna decided to join him in that adventure and together, they're getting after it: he's a realtor (and very busy trail builder), she's got various marketing irons in the fire; together, they're launching a shuttling business.
While there are other spots to ride in Powell River, we had (and you should have) sights set on Mount Mahony. The QRCA's strategic plan is well underway, and there are multiple climb trails and at least 5 descents covered by the current state of work. But that's just the new trails; there are plenty of pre-existing classics and everything is being built and planned in a cohesive way, creating tons of fun loops and options. There is tech, there are steeps, and flow abounds. There are jumps of varying size and shape, from mellow and tabled to slightly sketchy and unpredictable, but as a whole the building and trail layouts are terrific and endlessly entertaining, the dirt sublime. From Mach Loonie's famous slab with a view to descents like Quik-E, Loam Digger, Quaver and Bounty Hunter, and of course, Fairies Wear Boots, we found tons of repeatable classics, and that's not a complete list.
Johanna and Andrew toured us around for a full day, showing us as many of their favourites as possible (and a few stealthy ones as well) and we couldn't have asked for a better introduction to Mahony's trail network.

Andrew mobbing Mach.


The Mahony climb trail is brilliant. Well built, and starting at a green grade (friendly for beginners and kids) progressing into a blue as it snakes its way up the hill, but still not too much to handle for anyone of moderate fitness. Also, great scenery.
Riding the Bullit
I loved my two days aboard the Vala this fall, but when it's had enough and goes home to get a good night's sleep, the Bullit starts looking around shiftily in search of ways to get rowdy. Before we even got to Powell River, I'd had a chance to set the Bullit up and ride it a few times. There are plenty of places to get up to speed here on the coast, and the Bullit is very comfy smashing into things without making you worry about hitting the limits of traction. It arrived just as my shoulder started feeling better, so we got to know each other a bit slowly but with increasing trust. I'd have loved another few weeks with the bike, especially now that our weather is looking like actual spring, because I gave it back just as I was able to finish a few rides without having trouble taking a jersey off. Still, it helped overcome some early season/return from injury unease and as I learned to push it and myself a bit, there was a lot of margin left.

Seb entering the ravine on Fairies Wear Boots.

It's a fun line. Down some rocks, across an off-camber section, then choose your line to setup for the drop at the end.
Setup
Fox 38 Factory: 102 psi / LSC 5 / HSC 3 / LSR 5 / HSR 4
Fox Float X2: 201 psi / LSC 6 / HSC 3 / LSR 9 / HSR 3
With a bit more time to fiddle, I would have worked on eking a bit more initial suppleness out of the fork, and a slightly more linear path to the end stroke in order to match what I was getting out of the new Factory X2 with the flip chip in the less progressive setting in the back. I was regularly getting full travel out of the shock without bottoming hard, despite some flat landings. I didn't get my setup into a window that felt 'nailed' in the way I did with the Vala, however I was usually either comfortable riding something or I wasn't, and when I was, the Bullit handled very well, indeed.
The Bullit is a bruiser of a bike, but it doesn't ride that way. That's partly attributable to the fact that it has a motor to help lighten the load, but as bike brands have learned how to make ebikes, they've gotten a lot better in the handling department. So, while the Bullit is as capable as its 170mm of travel front and back would suggest, I never felt like I was aboard a massive, unwieldy machine. The sub-50lb weight and low centre of gravity contribute, but I'd give plenty of credit to the balance of the front and rear centres and the way that some of that weight disappears into the bike in motion. For such a big bike, the Bullit handles sharply enough to feel really alive when you get it rolling and use a little English, but it's still a 63º front end with a long wheelbase (1,280mm for Large), so you're never going to run out of stability. That mulleted rear end helps get the back end swung around when it's twisty and gives you some clearance in the steeps. For long travel bikes, I now have a strong preference for the mixed wheel.

Townsite has some of my favourite beers. Belgian-inspired breweries usually get my vote.

Their label designs are easy to spot in BC coolers. Also, one of two cats.

Looking down the hill from the historic townsite towards the pulp mill.
Powell River
Once the site of the world's largest pulp mill that fed 1 in 25 newspapers around the world, Powell River has transitioned to other industries: tourism, mining, fishing, and forestry. It is now a vibrant community of 14,000 (20 including the surrounding district) with a historic old town and several quaint neighbourhoods. Like other towns that require a bit of effort to get to, the locals are friendly and have never seemed resentful or overwhelmed by tourists, and are proud to talk about or show off their town.
Powell River sits on traditional territory of the Tla'amin First Nation, but it was named after Israel Powell, who was chief of Indian Affairs in the 1870s and 80s and did many things we'd all like to go back in time to undo. Thanks to a request made by the Tla'amin in 2021, the town is likely to have its name changed in the near future.
Townsite Brewing is located in the historic old town with Belgian-inspired brews, 0% options and kombucha, a comfy tasting room and incredible kid and pet-friendly outdoor area complete with sitting chairs. Also, two resident cats who specialize in napping on sunny window ledges.
Our best coffee, pastries, and sandwiches came from 32 Lakes Cafe and Bakery. Possibly best breakfast sandwich I've ever had (I don't say that lightly), and there are other great options for caffeine but I think that's the baker of choice. Our Monday/Tuesday timing didn't work out for Supercharger Pizza's opening hours, but it came recommended from anyone we asked and it'll be stop #1 the next time we go.


Bosch Performance Line CX Gen 5 on the Trail
When pedaling and climbing, the Bullit again didn't make you feel like you were on a huge bike. Credit to Bosch for smooth power pickup and a natural progression into more assist as your cadence heads toward the sweet spot, which is wider than most. I vastly prefer Bosch's purple or 'eMTB' mode to the red 'Boost' for most situations. Boost feels like you're being carried and I feel disassociated from pedaling, whereas eMTB feels more controlled. For something particularly steep, Boost is great as long as you can prevent losing traction. The steep seat tube worked well for me and I liked where I was positioned when seated, whether on flats or climbing.
Bosch's controller is nicely designed and easy to find, although I think the pressure required to switch modes is too light - occasionally I would cycle into a mode without meaning to, or cycle twice instead of once. I don't think ergonomics would suffer if it was stiffened slightly. The top tube-mounted readout is clear and simple, but even a small screen that allowed you to cycle through basic metrics like speed, battery % remaining, distance traveled, etc. would be nice. Most e-bike head units connect automatically to the Garmin on my wrist, however, so if I wanted that info, it didn't require a bar-mounted computer or a glance at my phone. Still, TQ's solution to this is elegant and discrete and I'll be curious to see what Bosch is coming out with to address it.
600 vs 850 kWh
I like Santa Cruz's decision to go with a 600 kWh battery on the Bullit. Like with the Vala, the ability to add a range extender is a decent compromise, although I don't like the hanging cable - here again TQ's solution is cleaner - however it's not unforgivable. But the lighter weight of the smaller battery is something all riders will feel on every ride, whereas the added range is something only some riders will use some of the time. Save the cost and the weight for the benefit of most. The weight of the battery and motor do make for great handling but as more weight comes out of ebikes, they'll get even better.
I did multiple rides of a bout 25kms and 1,000m of climbing and had plenty of battery left - somewhere in the 30-40% region, usually. So I think 1,500m of climbing without using Boost is easily in reach with a bit of margin for someone at my 195lbs (beer tasted so good all winter). Lighter and/or fitter riders may be able to approach 1,800 or 2,000 metres of climbing on the 600 kWh battery.

Seb illustrating the point I made in The Lazy Rider and the Split Step.
At a hair over 63 degrees, the extra slack head angle was welcome in all situations. Of course, at slower speeds, you won't get all that excited, and the same goes with the suspension, but the Bullit isn't made to be ridden slowly, so just as an idling sports car will make you feel like you're being pulled along in the parking lot in 1st, you're in 'deal with it' mode until you get up to speed. But we giggled our way along the green-rated ʔiʔajusθot (having a good time), a machine-built flow trail (helmet tip to Curtis Robinson who designed and built it) and even in sedate territory, the Bullit was fun as all hell as speeds ramped up.
When things got more serious, the Bullit's capability shone - with ease. I pointed it down some slabs on a trail nearby on the lower coast, and despite the slick conditions and my less than 100% confidence, I felt very comfortable despite being in a few unforgiving situations with real consequences. From abrupt transitions out of chutes - including one slick one where the back end wandered - to prolonged steeps that asked for precise line choices or a healthy dose of #fuckit, the Bullit more than held its own.
Between the two, I could make an argument for either the Vala or the Bullit as a personal bike. I loved the Vala and we rode some steep, rough terrain on it in Squamish and Chilliwack. If those were the limits of my uses for it, I would be happy. However, for roughly the same weight and no sacrifice in handling, there's no reason I wouldn't choose the Bullit as a perfect tool for exploring trails in the most rugged and far-flung corners of BC and beyond. It'd be better suited for occasional days in a bike park, and when I think back on so many adventures spent exploring big terrain in BC, it's the bike I would choose between the two to have my back when it gets steep and loose, without running out of fun on more sedate trails. I don't always choose the bigger bike but in this case, I think the Bullit - the downhill bike with a chairlift built in - is the one I'd select.

SRAM Maven Silver brakes are no brainers for mid and long travel bikes.

There's the beef.

The AXS paddle works great, but I still prefer a lever style actuator that has a bit of a throw motion to it.

The top spec Bullit gets a full X0 AXS T-Type Transmission. Zero complaints.

155mm cranks on all Bullit spec levels.

Reserve HD30 front and DH30 rear wheels, Maxxis DoubleDown casings with a MaxxTerra DHRII out back and SuperTacky Assegai up front. Solid. Reliable.
Spec Notes
I'd be reticent to say too much about the new Fox Float X2 without more time to play with it, other than it nicely complemented the Bullit's four-bar layout and bottom outs were neither harsh nor noticeable. It felt lively and the small adjustments I put into it felt meaningful, so there seems to be a good tuning range. Other than that, we'll have to get deeper into the new shock after some more time on it - and when I can push a bike harder.
The other notable item from the spec sheet were the SRAM Maven brakes. This is the third bike I've ridden with them, and each time they've been fantastic. The added power is incredible, though you have to get used to it or suffer from over-braking and feel like a total hack. Modulation is a solid B; not perfect, but manageable once you find the range.
Otherwise, the Fox 38, SRAM X0 Eagle AXS Transmission, Reserve 30HD front and 30DH rear Carbon wheels, Maxxis Assegai front and DHRII rubber - both in DoubleDown and SuperTacky - and OneUp V3 post all performed exactly as they usually do, which is to say, pretty much best in class.

And here is the Bullit CC X0 AXS RSV in Matte Teal Sparkle. Photos courtesy of Santa Cruz Bikes.

The 2026 Bullit C GX AXS shown here in Gloss Black.

2025 Santa Cruz Bullit Builds and Pricing in CAD.

2025 Santa Cruz Bullit Builds and Pricing in USD.
2025 Santa Cruz Bullit Weight and Pricing
Santa Cruz Bullit X0 AXS RSV: 21.85kg // 15,549 CAD / 11,899 USD
Santa Cruz Bullit GX AXS: 22.35kg // 12,549 CAD / 9,599 USD
Santa Cruz Bullit 90: 22.3kg // 11,249 CAD / 8,599 USD
Santa Cruz Bullit 70: 22.4kg // 9,649 CAD / 7,399 USD

Johanna.

Andrew.

Ozzie!
In less than 48 hours, Seb, Deniz and I eked about as much as you could hope for out of a short trip. We made new friends, discovered new trails, learned more about a historic BC town, and were left wanting more. We'll be back very soon to revisit old favourites and discover some that we missed.
Road tripping up the Sunshine Coast is a special thing; the drives aren't long, the ferry rides are beautiful, there are gems tucked into lots of little corners. The terrain and riding is world class, but the people are modest and friendly. Paradoxically, Powell River sits on the Salish Sea but is known as the land of 32 Lakes. You can connect by ferry, as we did, from the lower Sunshine Coast, but you can also arrive by ferry directly from Comox on Vancouver Island or fly in via float plane.
However you choose to get there, Powell River belongs up high on your list.

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Perry Schebel
2 days, 1 hour ago
love this product review format. (now i have to explore powell river).
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Deniz Merdano
2 days, 1 hour ago
Location reviews are everything!!
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Cr4w
2 days ago
You could tell you guys enjoyed those bikes within the first paragraph. Can we have an oh wow for those trail shots? I haven't been to PR in ages and I guess it's time to go for a visit.
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 23 hours ago
You know how you can actually feel it when an area is getting new trails built and there's that fresh dirt energy? PR has that. Also, we smelled fresh cedar several times - they're not afraid to build structures, jumps, and landing zones. I need to spend more time up there just to work on my jumping.
The forests are beautiful. I left some rad shots out because the load times on this page are probably already a wee bit high, but Deniz came back with a ton of good stuff.
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Cr4w
1 day, 21 hours ago
Maybe you could do another post and talk more about PR, the crew, the scene and of course more wide riding shots.
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 21 hours ago
I think I'd like to go back and spend a bit of time with some of the people at QRCA as well as some locals to get a better sense of all of that. When we finished on day 1, dozens of people were assembling for the weekly Monday ride - most had lights. We were actually only there for about 24 hours so there wasn't a ton of time to meet many people other than the four hours we spent riding with Johanna and Andrew. After that it was a quick stop at Townsite after we checked in, dinner, bed, up early, breakfast, ride, then head home.
Normally we would have gone for at least another 24 hrs, but the last few weeks to a month were surer busy for all of us between Spring Break/kids/vacation, Deniz traveling all over the last few months, and then Sea Otter.
We'll be back to PR soon and we'll definitely go deeper.
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tmoore
1 day, 5 hours ago
Going there next month. Where did you stay? Do you recommend it?
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Pete Roggeman
23 hours, 31 minutes ago
We stayed at Beach Gardens Resort & Marina. It's fine. I've stayed there once before. It's reasonably bike friendly, rooms are comfortable. It's got a retro vibe that they didn't update as well as they could have if someone with a good eye got their hands on it. Options are limited. My first choice for a longer stay would be an Air BnB.
Mark
1 day, 19 hours ago
Hey guys, can you start putting together articles with some better photos? All these shots of ocean, mountains, waterfalls and lush green forests bathed in a warm sunny glow are starting to get a little mundane.
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Pete Roggeman
2 days, 2 hours ago
I weighed the size Large at 49.9 lbs including XTR trail pedals which are almost a pound. So call it 49 even. You have to understand that every component on a bike can have a weight variability of btwn 5-10%, especially things like tires. Put in a little more or less sealant, fluids in the fork, etc...it's easy to expect a 1-2lb variance on something in the 50lb range.
Battery comes out without needing to drop the motor, but more and more brands are getting rid of quick release battery doors to save weight and make quieter bikes. It's working - the Bullit was dead silent when descending. The only thing you could hear were the tires doing their sweet, sweet thing.
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XXX_er
2 days, 1 hour ago
yeah I know they usually weigh these bike with no pedals, I weighed my lowest spec v1 with some composite chesters but at 50lbs its not a deal breaker
I notice SC stuck with Maxxis in DD, SDG tellis, Zeb and the 9700 CAD wasn't too bad
imo save $$$$ by going lowest spec and don't worry about a little extra weight cuz the 85NM's makes it all better
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Jotegir
2 days ago
How come that 5-10% variance is only on the one side?
Kidding, kidding. Sort of...
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 23 hours ago
I know you know but I'll say it anyway: many (most) bike brands don't post weights for this very reason. As soon as they lay down a marker, everyone treats it as a red line. If you play it safe, you look heavy. If you skirt the margins, you risk being called out.
For road bikes or XC bikes it might matter, for ebikes it sure as hell doesn't, unless the variance is in the kilos or pounds, not grams or ounces. Weight matters, but less so with these bikes, obviously. That said, when 170mm travel, 85Nm ebikes with 600kWH batteries get down to 42lbs, they're going to be insane to ride.
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Dave Smith
2 days, 1 hour ago
Just to throw more fuel on SL versus Full-power discussion. What would be your everyday choice for the type of riding that you usually do, Pete?
The Bullit would seem to be overkill for most places on the coast and from recent experience, riding both the Cannondale Moterra SL and the Heckler SL in back to back rides over the last year, I would be tempted to go for an SL version of any full-powered bike just for bike handling and ride-feel. The only time that I felt under-gunned was while I was on a Heckler Sl chasing a couple folks with full-power e-bikes on a romp through Valley Cliff but the Vala would seem to take up the slack in that situation.
Also well done with the travelling review format. Nice work, folks.
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XXX_er
2 days ago
People seem to like the SL I havent tried one I mostly ride solo cuz an acoustic bike can't keep up to an a Eeb, SL just seems to me like another option for not keeping up to a full power while being faster than an acoustic
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Dave Smith
2 days ago
The ride-feel is definitely better with the SL. There's something to be said about a bike that feels like a bike rather than going for full size. I've experienced noticeably less fatigue at the end of the day and I found it less to grapple with in terms of rolling mass when braking.
I did a ~50k ride with a full camera pack on the Moterra SL and I had zero issues. The motor had a little bit more gimme over the Fazua so I'm very intrigued by the Vala for this reason.
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 23 hours ago
You're clear that the Vala is a full power motor though, right?
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Dave Smith
1 day, 23 hours ago
yep.
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earle.b
2 days ago
Instinct SL? A bit more juice in NM and battery than a Heckler SL.
Recently read a comment that someone made about full power motors ridden at a lower setting getting better efficiency than the smaller lighter SL motors needing to be ridden on their higher settings.
Would be interesting to see more data. Full power motor with a smaller 460-480wh battery might be the sweet spot (Orbea originally kinda did this) then be sensible with build kit and how burly the frame need to be. Use a range extender external battery when needed. Or a bike able to ride off just the range extender like the Levo? The one hour quick hit laps done with the lightest battery that just has enough juice to barely get you round the route.
The Vala and the Bullet seem really close together in weight/power/battery. I don't know how someone would pick between them.
As a non e-bike guy I do like to geek out over the tech, SL vs full power and big battery vs smaller stuff.
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XXX_er
1 day, 23 hours ago
I just ride everywhere in boost all the time cuz its more fun, my 4 yr running total is 5500 kms at an average speed of < 13kph, I would say the average acoustic biker is lucky to do 8kph.
The 630W battery is good for maybe 4 hr in boost and then its time for a craft brew so 630 is enough IME/IMO
the best/ only ride i had last season with someone else was a girl also on her Eeb who has a bad limp from cancer so nobody would have kept up to an old guy and a girl with a bad leg
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 23 hours ago
You're asking the right questions, I think. Motor and battery weights are coming down. Anecdotally, yes, higher cadences and lower torque demands are more efficient for battery use but we haven't tested that empirically. Usually it's just "yep, we all start on full charge, let's see what we have at the end of the ride". Might have to design a test track and get nerdy.
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 23 hours ago
Thanks, Dave. We'll be doing more of these travel reviews. Lots of fun doubling up.
I have this conversation with people a lot and whether they're industry, pro, everyday rider or shop person, opinions vary widely. For the purposes of your question, though, the Vala and Bullit fill the same void, just at 150 or 170mm travel. Otherwise, same power, same battery range.
My favourite ebike - ever - is the Trek Slash+. It's astonishingly fun on a wide range of terrain. The Fox Neo Float X makes it snappier in sedate terrain (and also puts it into a stratospheric price range). But the main reason I like it is that a mid-power ebike makes you feel more like you're pedaling a regular bike, and having that feeling on a 170mm bike is sweet. It's slightly lighter due to the smaller battery and that weight difference plus the pedal dynamics puts it in a grey area btwn regular bike and FP ebike.
Having just spent a day on a Heckler SL in Santa Cruz with Deniz last week, I can confirm that that is an awesome bike - we had a blast on it and it's plenty of bike for just about everything on the campus trail network until you start gapping large things (not my problem).
For the SSC, yes, Bullit is overkill for a lot of stuff here. But the thing that's different with ebikes is that overkill isn't as big an issue IF the bike handles really well, which the Vala and Bullit both do. There's very little downside with either one and I rode Vala on some rowdy stuff. As weight on these bikes creeps down, the question is going to be "what's the lightest ebike with the most capability I can get my hands on?" especially for smaller riders. I don't struggle with a 50lb bike but I also love the feeling of a 30lb trail bike.
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XXX_er
1 day, 22 hours ago
Am I missing something or is Bullit the long travel while Vala/Heckler the bike with less travel more upright geometry both with full power ? I found the Bullit goes around corners better than my 5.5 did maybe cuz of the mullet?
I think bullit is a nomad with a motor and yeah I'm definatley over-biked but it was middle of the Covid bike shortage when shop bro sent me a pict and said you better act quick if want it. So I pretty much bought it from a celphone pic but no regrets but man was that some $$$$$
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 22 hours ago
Bullit and Vala have very similar geometry and are 170/170 an 160/150 (fr/rear) travel, respectively. They're close siblings, Heckler is different.
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Andeh
1 day, 21 hours ago
I own both a Vala and a Heckler SL. The geometry of those 2 is very, very similar, while the new Bullit is considerably slacker at 63.3 degrees. I would not want to wrangle that thing around tight corners in the lowest/slackest setting. Right around 64 degrees is my sweet spot for aggressive trail riding.
A few other data points and observations. My size medium top of the line custom build Vala weighs right at 47 lbs with flat pedals. My size medium HSL is about 3.5+ lbs lighter. The handle pretty similarly in corners, but the stack on the Vala is 10mm higher which was surprisingly noticeable to me. Both can have the rear travel bumped up, the HSL via a Cascade link to ~156mm, and the Vala with a 65mm stroke shock to ~162mm. Suspension-wise, the HSL has a lot of Bronson DNA. It feels light and snappy, eager to pop off little bumps, but has more feedback on bumps. The Vala trades some of that pop for a heaping spoonful of stability. Some of that is from a 38mm fork, but a lot is the 4bar layout is more composed in bumps. It's still loads easier to get into the air or snap around corners than my old 52lb Levo was. Building up the HSL "Stout" unsurprisingly moves it more in the stable direction, but the difference in rear wheel feel is still there. Bottom line is while they feel similar, they both have different personalities beyond what the motors give you or the geometry/travel numbers would tell you.
Riding both the HSL and Vala in full turbo riding winch and plummet trails, I can get about 800' more vert on the Vala in about 30 minutes less time.
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 21 hours ago
Great details, thanks Andeh.
Jotegir
1 day, 20 hours ago
Interesting feedback. More confirmation bias for my four bar vs VPP views too, which is always nice.
Do you pick one over the other depending on the crew of the day? If you're going for a solo mission, which one do you tend to grab? And gun to your head, which one do you sell and which to you keep if you had to choose one (and you do)?
Andeh
1 day, 19 hours ago
@jotegir - I definitely pick based on who I'm riding with or whether I'm on limited time. Riding with fit XC racer guy who will blow my legs off if I were to take normal bike - HSL in eco mode lets me keep pace and hold a conversation with him. Riding with heavier guys on full power ebikes who have to run trail or eco to conserve juice - tossup depending on terrain. After work 1-hour solo ride - Vala. Solo ride on weekend with no time limit - Vala if I want more laps, HSL if I want to work the legs more. Road trip to Ashland or Downieville where I want max range & rock smashing - Vala. Riding UCSC - either one, depending on who I'm riding with. If I had to sell one, I'd drop the HSL because it's less versatile (range extender, 480wh battery, & new mode controller announced last summer are still MIA) and I have more faith in Bosch than Fazua.
Dave Tolnai
1 day, 18 hours ago
I sat here for the last 5 minutes, staring at my computer screen, wondering how somebody gets to be in a position to own both a Vala and a Heckler SL.
Dave Smith
1 day, 22 hours ago
Thanks for that. Without having seen one in the flesh, I had the Vala placed in my mind in that lightweight but full-gas category similar to that svelty Moterra SL. The Slash+ seems like something that I should throw a leg over!
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Jotegir
1 day, 20 hours ago
So your description of the Slash+ and other rear suspension in the article and above has reminded me of something. Whenever I've ridden an EMTB (which is assuredly less than you), I've always been impressed with how well the extra weight makes basic suspension feel. For example when I had a Zeb R on a Range, it was a marked improvement to upgrade to the Ultimate damper and going to a custom tune on my Aurum rear shock were both huge improvements. However riding the same trails on a full-fat, domain and regular-deluxe equipped ebike, it's all good after some setup time. I think this is a generally accepted phenomenon for eebs although I don't recall ever discussing this topic on NSMB specifically.
So the question for you is now that you've spent a significant amount of time trying all sorts of different ebikes, do you agree? Is there less of a difference between basic and baller suspension on eebs, or is it the same difference between rhythm and factory that is present on a mountain bike consistent on the electric version? is the elecctric bike's suspension just that much sweeter because all suspension works nicer on the eebs? Perhaps a better way to put it is "does the weight of ebikes mask some of the shortcomings of more basic suspension options"?
In saying all this, I acknowledge that even our "entry level" stuff these days is really, really good. But also we ride the sweet stuff and know what that feels like. Maybe people send you too much baller stuff these days so you don't know, haha!
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XXX_er
1 day, 19 hours ago
I duno if i would call a 9600 -15500 DH oriented E-bike " entry level " but I would add another really to " stuff these days is really really good " and save 6 K by just buying the least expensive spec which is what I did
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Jotegir
1 day, 19 hours ago
I think something like the $7500 Trek Rail 5 is probably a better descriptor of "entry level" but I take your point. Whatever the opening price point is, be it $7500 or $9600 or a different number, it's "entry level" if it's the first available bike that properly gets you the ticket to play. It's like how people describe the Mazda Miata as a great entry level track car because it's not a $200,000 Porsche and the absolute minimum you can spend on a new Miata is $35,000 (yes, yes, used market - applies to both).
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 16 hours ago
Legit question. Unfortunately I don't have a great answer because, as you guessed, we mostly get sent mid to high end stuff, esp with bikes.
But I think it's time we found out.
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4Runner1
1 day, 20 hours ago
Supercharger Pizza and the Donair Bear are must eats when in PR.
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Pete Roggeman
1 day, 16 hours ago
On the list for next time!
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XXX_er
2 days, 3 hours ago
22.4 kilo is 49.3835467294 lbs, not that I think its going to make much difference at 50-ish lbs but SC claimed 49.75 on the old bullit and I got 52+ on my bathroom scale so Did anybody actualy weigh the new Bullit ?
I like the mullet, tire choice is same as old Bullit which is good IMO, I like the control panel on the toptube the power switch on the BB on v1 is a bit of a pain,
curious if the battery comes out easily, also how it handles compared to v1 Bullit, it seemed like there were more Hecklers than v1 Bullits out there ?
So apparently the switch to 4 bar is to get away from the Shimano motor so It will be interesting to see if SC makes the acoustic bikes still with VPP or starts going to 4 bar, I heard of a whole lot of E010 error codes I am meh on the EP8 but mine is still going strong after 4 yrs and 5500 kms I really like the old VPP v1 bullit
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Andeh
1 day, 21 hours ago
My medium Vala CC build was 47lbs 2oz: Zeb Ultimate, Vivid air, Hope F22 flat pedals, Reserve 30 HD wheels on 350 hubs, Conti Kryptotal DH tires, Maven Ultimates, XX drivetrain, AXS Reverb, OneUp carbon bar, Ergon grips & saddle. It probably went up a little bit with the new 200mm AXS but lost weight from new cranks, and will lose some more when the Kryptotal Front Enduro Super Soft tire is finally available, so down under 47 lbs eventually. This is the first bike I've owned that came in under spec weight.
The battery will not come out easily - requires dropping the motor. But you can add a range extender which you couldn't on the v1. Range extender depletes in parallel with main battery (not prior to / in series), which isn't ideal for long rides facilitated by stashing the extender in a bush or carrying a second one in a pack. Apparently the cord can't handle the full current rating so if you were to plug the RE in after depleting the main battery, the motor would work but at reduced power based on lower current.
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Danzdown
1 day, 20 hours ago
Great review, 102psi in a Fox 38 on an ebike is awfully under the recommended settings right? What is the rider weight on this? Thanks
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XXX_er
1 day, 2 hours ago
What I think is really amazing in this thread is that we have gone a whole 24hrs without a single anti-ebike post, its almost like the haters have evolved to realize e-bike is not going away so don't bother commenting on things they don't like, just move along !
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Blownoutrides
1 day, 1 hour ago
I don’t buy the handling argument SC is making for the smaller battery. They easily could’ve designed around the larger 800wh girth and offered both 600wh and 800wh options (like Crestline).
I’m betting the choice to go with a dedicated 600wh had more to do with their side of the equation in terms of production and logistics than the customer.
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Pete Roggeman
23 hours, 28 minutes ago
Sure. Does the honesty of the reasoning matter?
Ultimately, the bike either is or isn't what you're looking for. But the girth you mentioned is a point of negative feedback SC and other brands have received. When we first took a look at the Vala that was a specific point they mentioned - that making the downtube a bit smaller was one of the priorities. Don't believe it, or do, the end result is the same.
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XXX_er
23 hours, 6 minutes ago
" Time after time, we get 10-12% more range from a Bosch-equipped bike with the same battery size than one from Shimano or Dyname "
If that is correct statement ^^ adding 10 % to a 600 watt Bosch battery would ride like a 660 W if one was comparing it to a Shimano motor & battery is my take if that makes sense ? SO go for the 600watt which will make for a lighter bike to which an extender can be added will make for a LOT of battery ??
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Kyle Dixon
15 hours, 44 minutes ago
Having followed Andrew/Johanna and the Mahony Mobsters a while back on the Instaneous Grams, ans having had some good builder related chats with Andrew has put PR on my must hit list for my summer adventures west during yearly 'Escape Ontario' leave block. Definately looking forward to it already, but the article here cements it
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