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Removal of Teeter Totters on Shore Trails To Begin Immediately

Words Cam McRae
Date Jul 1, 2019

We have an update to this story and good news here...

When I first heard the District of North Van had decided wrong-headedly to remove several historic teeter totters from trails on Fromme and Seymour, on June 10th, I immediately sent an email to Wayne Maskell, the section manage for Parks in the District of North Vancouver. After receiving no response for 3 days I sent a follow-up and got this response on June 14th:

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I had heard that others had been informed that the decision had already been made to remove teeter totters some time in 2020 and was no longer open for discussion. Armed with this information I again contacted Wayne Maskell with a more direct question.

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Wayne's response didn't change. And while he may not have been lying outright, in a textbook example of irony, he was certainly trying to mislead me.

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My final email to Wayne Maskell asked directly if to his knowledge there was a plan to remove teeter totters from trails in North Vancouver. He didn't respond to that email, perhaps out of some sort of misguided moral compass that approves of misleading people but would prefer not to be documented lying.

And I've heard that as of June 30th the District has begun or will begin removing these structures (I have thus far been unable to confirm whether this has commenced).

This decision seems to be based on an Ontario lawsuit launched by a 43 year old man who broke his neck and was sadly rendered quadrapalegic while attempting to ride a teeter totter in a skills park. The details of the incident as they were recorded in a case summary can be read below:


[17] Mr. Campbell continued onto Free Fall. He did not have enough speed to make it over the pivot point. He started to fall. He tried to control his fall by “popping a wheelie” (staying on the bike and attempting to land it on its back wheel) to the right of Free Fall. In doing so, he kept his hands on the handlebars. Mr. Campbell went over the handlebars and landed on his head on the ground. He broke his neck. Sadly, he became quadriplegic.

Mr. Justice Marc Garson “found that the municipality had breached its duty in five ways: (1) its failure to post proper warning signs; (2) its negligent promotion of the Park; (3) its failure to adequately monitor risks and injuries at the Park; (4) its failure to provide an ‘adequate progression of qualifiers’; and (5) its failure to make the Trials Area a low-risk training area.”

The Distict is not responding to inquiries into this matter at this point and has instead issued this statement: "The District of North Vancouver is removing five ‘teeter-totter’ structures located on our mountain biking trails. We have been advised that these structures pose an unacceptable level of liability risk to the municipality and, as a result, staff will begin dismantling the structures immediately.

The decision has been made in response to advice from a recently-commissioned professional risk assessment, a recent court decision in Ontario, Campbell v. Bruce (County) 2016, and our own experience in dealing with serious injuries related to ‘teeter totters’ on our mountain biking trails.

The DNV will work with the mountain biking community to find more suitable structures, with the goal of striking an acceptable balance between rider safety and trail riding experience.”

As pointed out by the nsmba's Cooper Quinn in this excellent piece by Ash Kelly, the teeter totter in the Bruce County skills park was quite different from those found on the North Shore. Court documents give this description of the structure: "Free Fall had a deck width of 16 inches an upward swing of 44.5 inches being 1.93 times the upward swing of Pee Wee and was 12 feet in length." In the end this is quite a steep teeter totter and substantially different from those found on the North Shore which are generally low angle and much less difficult to ride.

Beyond that, comparing the duty of care required for a facility situated where it can be accessed by anyone on a bicycle to that required on a mountain bike trail that can only be accessed after a long climb up a dirt road followed by a long descent on very challenging terrain, seems preposterous. It would be like comparing a climb at Yosemite to a climbing wall found in a city playground.

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This is the first teeter totter to be placed on a mountain bike trail. This is a scene we may never see again on Ladies Only. Photo - Morgan Taylor

And yet it seems logical arguments are falling on deaf ears over at the District of North Vancouver. The decision against Bruce County does contain some elements that could apply to teeter totters here, like potentially inadequate signage, but that one seems to be relatively easy to address. Beyond that the skills park is in an area where bicycle riders stumble upon the park and then decide to ride its features. That is not the case on a black diamond or double black diamond mountain bike trail.

While municipalities must take reasonable precautions to minimize exposure to risk, this seems to be a kneejerk reaction made without public consultation. In fact the process seems to have been deliberately concealed from mountain bikers in order to prevent any public backlash.

Kids' playgrounds continue to be sanitized the world over and teeter totters there have virtually all removed because of injuries that have occurred. And yet the world is hardly a safer place. In fact some research suggests that the absence of 'risky play' has lead to a dramatic increase in childhood psychological disorders, particularly emotional disorders. On the flip side risky play may actually make kids safer in the long run.

Mountain biking is dangerous. So is driving and swimming and hiking and climbing. Efforts to sanitize sports and play inevitably curtail the exhilaration and pride that comes from accomplishing something challenging. Sure, teeter totters can be dangerous to mountain bikers, as can rock faces, jumps, trees, rocks and even dirt. If the law so broadly defines negligence and fails to put any burden on personal responsibility, the law should be changed.

If this continues it's possible the DNV will attempt to remove all built structures on the North Shore, features that appeared here and have since spread the world over. The innovative designs of Todd 'Digger' Fiander and others are in jeopardy. If you have anything to say about this please let District Council know how you feel using this email address - council@dnv.org

Comments

trumpstinyhands
+1 Cam McRae
trumpstinyhands  - July 1, 2019, 2:06 p.m.

If communication is falling on deaf ears, maybe people should just be proactive and removed them and hide them for a while!

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DangerousDave
+2 Cr4w Andrew Major
DangerousDave  - July 1, 2019, 2:14 p.m.

"The DNV will work with the mountain biking community to find more suitable structures, with the goal of striking an acceptable balance between rider safety and trail riding experience."

Is this what they consider working with the mountain biking community? Double talk and unilateral decision making? 

Maybe a FOI request is needed to see what's really going on? Sounds like lies and deception to me.

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JVP
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JVP  - July 1, 2019, 4:12 p.m.

The removal of teeter-totters has been going on world-wide for about 15 years. It's not just a MTB thing. You can thank insurance companies for this.

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Gordonmcn
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Gordonmcn  - July 1, 2019, 4:56 p.m.

Link to the petition which has been started, it's currently sitting at just over 1100 

https://www.change.org/p/district-of-north-vancouver-save-the-teeter-totters-on-the-shore

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shoreboy
+1 Adrian White
Shoreboy  - July 2, 2019, 1:40 p.m.

Looks like the petition helped?  States there that the DNV will no longer be removing them!

https://www.change.org/p/district-of-north-vancouver-save-the-teeter-totters-on-the-shore

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Reuben.Sandwich
+1 Cam McRae
Reuben.Sandwich  - July 1, 2019, 5:14 p.m.

In Australia we call them a see-saw. Remove all your teeter totters and "replace" them with see saws that are signposted as such. That should stall the red tape brigade for another 20 years. Problem solved!

But seriously, Ladies will never be the same without it.

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Silk
+7 BenZ cxfahrer goose8 JVP trumpstinyhands Andrew Major DMVancouver
Silk  - July 1, 2019, 5:34 p.m.

The title of this article is a bit misleading and is not correct. The Immediate removal makes it sound like the DNV is going in an ripping out all teeters ASAP. This is NOT the case.

They are working with all the builders who are part of this and have asked each of us how we want to make this work in a positive way.

The DNV has been very proactive in this and has let all builders know well in advance so we could all build a plan around each teeter replacement.

The DNV is NOT at fault and are extremely accommodating to other options that will keep the trails affected challenging and fun.

We the builders of Pipeline have been part of this process and are happy with what we have submitted to the DNV as a replacement and I am sure the rider will love the new features to replace what was lost.

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AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - July 1, 2019, 6:20 p.m.

Thanks for all your work on Pipeline; love the trail.

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D_C_
+1 Andrew Major
DMVancouver  - July 1, 2019, 10:30 p.m.

Thanks for sharing this perspective, and for your work on Pipeline.

“The DNV is NOT at fault”

Can you elaborate?

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cam@nsmb.com
+1 Andrew Major
Cam McRae  - July 2, 2019, 7:13 a.m.

Regarding my title, that’s literally the information they have made available and the District has otherwise been either unresponsive or misleading to my inquiries and those of others. You’ve also done nothing to provide any clarity. 

Are you saying we shouldn’t believe this statement from the DNV and that they are misleading the public about removing the structures as well? “The District of North Vancouver is removing five ‘teeter-totter’ structures located on our mountain biking trails.” 

And if the DNV has let builders know In advance, it’s clear Wayne Maskell was deliberately misleading me. 

I personally don’t ride Pipeline and the Teeter Totters I’m concerned about are the one on Ladies Only and the one on Boogieman because they have been there for decades rather than being added more recently. At the same time I’m sure there are others who appreciate the more recent structures. This illustrates why this knee jerk blanket policy makes very little sense.

Finally, since you suggest the DNV isn't to blame, despite the fact they made this decision, who exactly is at fault?

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stewart-spooner
+3 Todd Hellinga Cam McRae Brad Sedola
Stewart Spooner  - July 2, 2019, 9:26 a.m.

The DNV and their insurers are misunderstanding the implications of the Ontario case, which hinges on the setting.  In a "family park", there were legal obligations which were not met, whereas on a reasonably marked recreational trail, users (as per the Occupiers Liability Acts which are almost identical in Ontario and BC) are deemed to have willingly assumed all risks.

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DemonMike
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mike  - July 2, 2019, 10:12 a.m.

There was still a presidency set. Today's society looks at things differently.

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chris
+1 Cam McRae
Chris  - July 2, 2019, 9:34 a.m.

As a US citizen mired in a sea of litigious/liability concerns driving far too much I've always admired and pined for the laissez faire attitude that was prevalent on the Shore.  Hell, even trail names like served d*ck wouldn't fly in our PC world.

Sad day that ya'll are trending our way.

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ryan.in.yaletown
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ryan.in.yaletown  - July 2, 2019, 11:15 a.m.

It's quite unfortunate that the Ontario case is (apparently) being used as justification for the removal of these features. There is a significant contextual difference between the two situations. A proper waiver/signage can clearly be determinative in the District's favour in the case of any legal action, as was recently made clear by BC court precedent (more binding than Ontario caselaw) involving snowboarder terrain park stunts (which shouldn't be functionally different than mountain bike stunts): 

https://www.mltaikins.com/outdoor-adventure/is-your-liability-waiver-up-to-snuff/

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Xorrox
+10 Todd Hellinga Andy Eunson Adrian White AlanB Andrew Major DanL DMVancouver Cam McRae Pete Roggeman Cooper Quinn
Brad_xyz  - July 2, 2019, 2:29 p.m.

Breaking News: According to Councillors Mathew Bond, "After a meeting this morning with the Mayor and senior staff..." the teeter totters will not be removed!

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cooperquinn
+6 AlanB Todd Hellinga Andy Eunson Adrian White Andrew Major DanL
Cooper Quinn  - July 2, 2019, 2:38 p.m.

Correct!

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