REVIEW
Panzer Aggressive Inserts
Note - After riding this inserts for a couple of months I found there was unacceptable damage to the rear. I rode it hard and did some time testing run flat but I have done this with other inserts without seeing excessive damage. See my follow up article here for more info.
Would this be the one? Every time a new insert comes into my crosshairs, I have little optimism despite holding onto a sliver of hope that this one will have all the ingredients to make the secret sauce; low weight, solid run flat performance, including good sidewall support, rim and flat protection, generous volume and a shape that pushes into the side of the tire to improve inflated cornering support. I have seen elements of each of these in inserts from Cushcore, Rimpact, Octamousse, Tannus, and Flat Tire Defender, to name a few. But none of them came with the entire package.
Cushcore Pro does everything well, but they are on the porky side at 260g. Rimpact is nice and light but I didn't appreciate the sidewall support. Octamousse has great volume, weight and run flat performance but doesn't support sidewalls well. Flat Tire Defender weighs a full 300g without doing anything much better than Cushcore. Tannus ticks a lot of boxes as well but once the air is out of the tire, it provides very little protection or sidewall support.
This wouldn't be so frustrating if, at least from the outside, it seemed impossible to meet all these goals at the same time. But in fact, it seems entirely doable. Each one of these pool noodles is extruded form a slightly different foam, each with somewhat different properties. Cushcore has an almost spongy feel which feels very well damped, while Octamousse seems to be made from an actual pool noodle but it manages to perform surprisingly well while weighing half as much as Cushcore. It seems only the shape is wrong, because it lacks supportive wings like Cushcore or Tannus. FFS! How hard is this people!
And then, along came Panzer. It's a Spanish product named after a fierce German tank. The shape seems good, mimicking Cushcore's wings, and in its heaviest 29" iteration, it weighs just 144g, or 116g fewer than Cushcore.
The foam has a relatively stiff feel which didn't discourage me and it seemed to be well sealed (or closed cell) to prevent sealant absorbtion. Installation was perhaps slightly easier than Cushcore, but the set that arrived came without appropriate valves so I used conventional valves at first. This failed and I could add air with some effort but not release it.* I gave us and used a Cushcore set so air could be added or released properly.
*If this happens, and you assume you'll need to destroy your tire to remove the air, fear not. Instead, loosen the lock ring on the valve and push the valve into the rim until air is released. If you fun a lot of pressure this make take some effort.
Once I had the valves sorted, and I could accurately measure tire pressure, everything began to feel pretty good. The support was there, but perhaps not as robust as Cushcore.* Once you drop pressure, Panzer has a less damped feel than Cushcore and I felt some harder strikes than expected, but without any damage to tire or rim.
*My most recent Cushcore rides have been on the eMTB version which is closer to 300g so this comparison may be slightly unfair.
Overall I was pleased with the full pressure (18 psi front/20 rear) performance and the lower pressure support as well. I did a little riding on pavement with a completely deflated rear tire and it seemed reasonable, but the real test would have to be on the trail, preferably something fast with some aggressive corners and bumps.
Deniz and I arrived at the top of Empress Bypass and I dumped all the pressure in my rear tire. I reduced about half the pressure in my front tire to destabilize things a little further. The trail is relatively fast with lots of berms and a few rougher sections; the worst conditions to keep control of once you've had a rear flat. I was a little tentative at first, as it felt like the tire might fold over but I gained confidence with each corner. The rear was squirming some, and much more so than Octamousse. The last time I tried this with those 8-sided pool noodles I was able to stay with my buddy and almost let it completely hang out.* Octamousse is the best run flat insert I have run overall, but Cushcore may have an edge in corners. Both are very good however and get the nod over Panzer. Despite that, the Panzers were totally serviceable. I was able to corner at perhaps 65% and more like 75% in a straight line. In other words, these are totally competent run-flat tires in my books, meaning for many rides you can get away without bringing a pump, tube or levers, as long as you don't have too long a ride back to civilization.
*The trail had fewer corners but was rougher and just as fast.
I feel like there's more work to be done here. A couple of the strikes I experienced through the Panzers, running slightly lower than my usual insert pressure, felt and sounded a little alarming. No damage resulted from these but I need to determine specifically what was going on. Perhaps these don't damp noise or sensation as well as some of the others, despite remaining quite protective? I'd also like some more time to see how they stand up to repeated hits and how durable they are overall. Early Cushcore inserts often looked like they'd been a Doberman's chew toy after a couple of months of hard use but more recent versions seem much more resistant to damage. My suspicion is that the chemical composition or the manufacturing process has changed to accomplish this but I haven't been able to confirm that.
For now I would have no problem recommending these for riders looking for decent protection, support and run flat performance from an insert that weighs half as much as a standard 29" inner tube.
Note - After riding this inserts for a couple of months I found there was unacceptable damage to the rear. I rode it hard and did some time testing run flat but I have done this with other inserts without seeing excessive damage. See my follow up article here for more info.
Height - 6'/183cm (mostly legs)
Weight - 165lbs/75kg
Inseam - 33"/84cm
Ape Index - 0.986
Age - 58
Trail I've been stoked on lately - Sam's Dad's Trail
Bar Width - 760mm
Preferred Reach - 485-500mm
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Perry Schebel
9 months, 4 weeks ago
*gazes longingly at header image* - dank shore is the best shore.
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DanL
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I was expecting to find 100 feral photographers out yesterday
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Deniz Merdano
9 months, 3 weeks ago
We were out there, taking it all in ...
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rolly
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I've debated going with inserts, but the thought of making climbs worse makes it a solid "no" for me. I've only flatted a few times (knock on wood) so a tube and pump work totally fine. But I climb EVERY time, so the weight penalty in the wheels doesn't seem worth it. Am I crazy?
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Cr4w
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I think that depends? I'm 225lbs and typically had to pick between flat resistance (higher pressure) and ride quality (lower pressure). Inserts are the best way for me to accomplish that. I found the weight of the Cushcore to be not worth it for everyday use but I find the Octamousse (~140g each) to be totally acceptable. That's the weight difference between an EXO-EXO+ or EXO+/DD casing tire. And now I don't carry a spare tube or levers on any ride so there's that weight savings too (just a small oneup pump with EDC, link and bacon jabber, so tidy!).
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Cam McRae
9 months, 4 weeks ago
While my stature is not like yours, we are on the same program. Did you have any trouble ordering Octamousse? Do you use the standard ones or the beefier version?
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Cr4w
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I bought the Octamousse 45s. I'm running the strong/black on the rear and standard/pink on the front and it's been a good setup so far. No issue with shipping or ordering but the costs do add up once you factor for conversion from euro and shipping which cost as much as the inserts themselves. All done it was less than $200 including valves but it still felt like a lot.
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Andy Eunson
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Rider weight is one of the biggest factors in deciding whether or not an insert will be a good thing. Plus riding style, trail conditions. For me at 65 kg I can run EXO or equivalent tires at as low as 15 -17 psi, and not roll a tire or ding a rim too badly. I haven’t damaged a tire or rim from a harsh bottom out in years. I tried the Tannus inserts but at the pressures I could run I was rolling the tires. I needed pretty close to the same psi as no inserts so there was no real benefit for me. I tried them for about a month and decided there was no benefit for me.
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IslandLife
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Regarding weight... I started out with inserts (Tannus), and being able to run lighter casing tires when using an insert. When using Tannus, the weight was actually the same or a little less vs a more robust casing tire and no insert. I was sing the newer EXO+ with inserts. I was also able to not bring a tube.
But then I got a puncture through the tread of my rear tire that I couldn't fully patch with a plug... I was able to sort of patch it and limp out by pumping it up every few minutes... and that tire was dead.
It made me rethink inserts. I didn't want the added weight of heavier casing tires AND inserts, I've tried it and it's a lot of rolling unsprung weight. I have since gone to EXO+ up front and DoubleDown in the rear with no inserts. I do have to run a slightly higher pressures for rim protection but I honestly don't find much of a difference.
Following the change, I got my first sidewall slash on my rear doubledown tire... could it have been avoided with inserts?? Who knows...
The biggest difference for me has been tire set-up and replacements... not having to deal with inserts (as easy as some make it out to be) is far better than dealing with them. And seems to outweigh the slight performance benefit. After using inserts for years... setting up a tire without one just feels magical, haha.
The only change I made to my carry-on set-up is bringing a tube 100% of the time, along with my OneUp EDC Pump + a few extras.
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Cr4w
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Walk me through what you're going to do with that tube.
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IslandLife
9 months, 3 weeks ago
Get a hole too big for a plug or just won't quite seal (just like my instance above), throw a tube in it and finish my ride.
Manage to forget to refresh your sealant in an appropriate time (you all know you've done it), throw a tube in it.
Get a sidewall slash/hole... Throw a tube in it. That's what I did with the sidewall slash I referenced in my comment above. Took me a couple weeks to source the tire I wanted so I ended up riding the slashed tire (small slash) with a tube in it for 4 or 5 rides. Annoying because I needed to keep the pressure around 30psi+ to avoid destroying the tube... trail choices for those rides were more flow over tech as well, haha.
There are also times where you break a bead and for whatever reason can't get it sealed with CO2 trailside. Throw a tube in and you're good to go. Generally this doesn't happen with inserts... but it has happened to me. Couple years ago using Tannus inserts, had a flat I couldn't repair with a plug. Was just riding Hornby so decided to test the "run flat" worthiness of Tannus... don't bother... within a few hundred metres both beads were out and the tire and insert were migrating off the rim. Had to walk the rest of the way.
Also, if you happen to have a rim bite through the casing near the bead, just throw a tube in it to get back to the car.
Should note that I also now bring a boot, as sometimes holes/slashes in the sidewall can be too big for a tube to be used reasonably, but if you throw a boot in there, works great. In a pinch, cash works great as a boot as well.
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Cr4w
9 months, 3 weeks ago
How often do you break a bead just riding along? I did that once or twice in my early tubeless days and then I started being super diligent about checking my pressure pre-ride and that's never happened again. But as a heavier rider that led me to 30+ psi a lot of the time to prevent burping which sucks to ride which is where the inserts came in.
Not checking your pressure or topping up your sealant are 100% avoidable issues that have nothing to do with inserts.
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IslandLife
9 months, 3 weeks ago
Very rarely, last time it happened it was from a particularly gnarly rock garden at high speed where I lost control and ended up on a “sub optimal” line… haha. Still not sure exactly how it happened but it did. But ya, not often, but just one more of those things that can happen.
Mountain biking seems to be full or "avoidable issues" that still, for whatever reason, sometimes become "unavoidable"... haha.
Jerry Willows
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I think inserts make the tires bulge more when compressed exposing the sidewall more than normal.
I've also found when someone gets a flat with inserts, it takes about 30 mins of faffing to try to get bacon strips to work and maybe a 50% of it actually working.
There's some thought in the DH world that inserts create more rolling resistance than without... lots of teams not using them anymore.
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Timer
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I gave up on inserts for similar reasons. Flats still happen and quite often they can’t be fixed with a plug. Then it’s a huge pain to get the insert out and fit a tube.
Been on riding trips where this happened to multiple people in a day.
Limping home on the insert often isn’t an option when I’m in the alpine. And even if not it would mean the end of the riding day.
Now I just run heavier tires without inserts.
PS: Inserts usually barely affect rolling resistance. Tests have been done on that topic.
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Cr4w
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I'm seeing the logic of this. EXO+ or DD tires with inserts is already into the DH double wall tire weight range so it definitely makes sense to go that option when you're really far from home. Then your casing is that much tougher and less likely to tear an unpluggable hole.
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Jerry Willows
9 months, 3 weeks ago
@timer would like to see the tests if you have any links.
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Timer
9 months, 3 weeks ago
As is often the case, the tests were done by German magazines. So no link sadly. Not sure if its ok to post a picture of the results table on here?
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Cam McRae
9 months, 3 weeks ago
That would be great.
Tjaard Breeuwer
4 months ago
Here is a free test, with gravel tire inserts:
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/specials/gravel-tubeless-tire-inserts
Sethimus
9 months, 4 weeks ago
try the vittoria ones next, and maybe some tubolights?
i had the octamouse before the vittorias now, vittoria are even denser and should provide excellent runflat protection
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Cam McRae
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Great advice. I have reached out to Vittoria (but not tubo light yet) and was told some were on the way but they never came. I’m very keen to continue mining the insert market and hopeful more players and ideas will emerge. I’d like to see more high volume designs like Octamousse in particular.
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Hbar
9 months, 4 weeks ago
doggie is crushing it.
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Cam McRae
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Once Winston gets going he’s a great trail dog. He’s very fast and always gets out the way. It’s a good thing as well because he weighs about 15 lbs!
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Morgan Heater
9 months, 3 weeks ago
My main reason for using inserts is that since I installed cushcore in my rear wheel, I haven't detroyed a rear rim in 3 years! Pretty amazing change for me, and way more important than any changes in ride quality, although I do like riding at 23-24 psi instead of 28 psi. So, can you get a 210 lb hack to huck to flat into some rocks, or case a jump or two? That's the info I need from an insert review. :-)
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bullit
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Nice article,i think it misses the type of tire ( the carcass) your using when you say how many PSI your using :)
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Cam McRae
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Excellent point! Thanks for the catch.
Maxxis Exo+ Assegai front and DHRII rear.
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Suns_PSD
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I've tried 3 different brands and beleive in the Rimpacts. They have sizes and shapes for every application.
I'd like to see them with holes drilled in the center to allow sealant to flow fore and aft a bit easier but maybe it just makes more sense to put sealant on both sides of the insert when installing.
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Joseph Crabtree
9 months, 3 weeks ago
I"ve used a heated awl to melt a hole above the valve stem in a Cushcore so a tube will go through if I flatted far from home. It is a pain to get the valve stem out but at least I don't have to wear a Cushcore sash and can bring a smaller tube as the insert takes up some of the tire volume.
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Morgan Heater
9 months, 3 weeks ago
Seems like a tricky install on the trail, have you ever done it?
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LDG
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this just a pool noodle like PTN Pepi's R-Evolution? My experince is that they work ok at the front on a trail bike but don't last at all in the back or for enduro/dh, they get chewed up quick and help very marginally on impacts after that. Rimpact Pro, Cushcore or Vittoria Air liner hold up way better though.
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taprider
9 months, 4 weeks ago
try the Pepi's RokLine then (the yellow ones)
I have run flat them in the rear over 20km on rocky terrain without any obvious sign of wear
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LDG
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I think we ride differently. Doesn't work for me. Rimpact Pro works great though.
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Cam McRae
9 months, 4 weeks ago
The material used here is dissimilar to a pool noodle in that the foam cells are very well closed, to the point of feeling smooth on some surfaces and because the material is quite stiff and resistant to deformation. I have had my front one out since it’s been used and while there was no noticeable damage, observing the rear and after more time will be a more useful measure.
But… Octamousse seems a lot like a pool noodle in your hand and in terms of weight but they have stood up very well all things considered. I’d like them more of their shape was more like Cushcore, and I find they are difficult to line up with your tire since they tend to rotate during installation, but they continue to exceed my expectations.
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LDG
9 months, 3 weeks ago
My pool noodle is just a reference to what typ of material used, most are closed cell foam as we.
Pepis, original rimpact don't work in the rear for me or people I ride with, they get chewed up and are then useless. The point is Rimpact Pro, Cushcore and Vittoria Air Liner are the ones I know of that actually work and hold up for a season if you ride harder. If you do lighter trail and don't ride very agressive everything works! People ride without inserts but doesn't work for me. I rather have the insert and the pressure so that my tires and rims don't break but that doesn't mean crazy high, casing is chosen after how and what I ride.
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Christian Strachan
9 months, 4 weeks ago
Any idea if Fillmore valves would mitigate the issue with checking tire pressure?
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taprider
9 months, 4 weeks ago
they would be worse
unless you can fashion a little umbrella frame over the bottom of the pop out valve so it doesn't push directly against the foam noodle
or you have a hole or indent in the foam that lines up with the valve
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Cam McRae
9 months, 4 weeks ago
I think it would even be possible to drill a hole right through the insert. Everyone I have heard of who has drilled out their inserts (to lower weight and improve sealant flow) have said they notice virtually no loss of performance. I haven’t tried it yet but I will.
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jdt
9 months, 3 weeks ago
I read that the Panzers are only supposed to be used with their own brand of sealant, and don't play well with any amount of ammonia . Can you comment on the sealant that you used, or clarify any requirements for specific sealant?
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Cam McRae
9 months, 3 weeks ago
I did get some panzer sealant, which has no ammonia or latex in its formula, but didn’t use it because I had another open bottle going. I doubt they would make an insert that’s incompatible with other sealants though.
I didn’t see any suggestions about avoiding other sealants on the website but I’m sure they recommend using their own, because they want to sell it - and it might be very good. The only way to test sealant is to puncture a lot of tires so we pretty much have to believe manufacturers’ claims about its effectiveness unless we do that. On those cases the sealant volume is always correct and the fluid is fresh and uncontaminated so it’s not exactly a real word test either.
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The-Flow-Zone
9 months, 3 weeks ago
What about the no insert debate regarding tire volume vs low tire volume with an insert? WR1 is not a fan of using inserts due the volume lose. The more volume the more the psi goes up as the tire is compressed. The opposite is true with a monster insert like CC pro or Occtamousse etc! Then you end up relying heavily on the insert to help prevent punctures etc....
Discuss!
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Tjaard Breeuwer
4 months ago
Disappointed to see an actual weight of 145 grams. They list 110 grams, +/- 10%, which would be 121 grams max in my book.
At 145 grams, they are starting to get pretty close to the others’ weight.
Australian Flow mag measured 130 grams, which is better, but still a lot higher than claimed.
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