NSMB at Interbike 2016

Words Pete Roggeman
Date Sep 18, 2016

We’re in Vegas. It’s the 15th or 16th time on this carousel for us at NSMB. It started feeling like Groundhog Day many, many years ago. No matter how hard we try to wrestle him to the ground, he keeps popping up at the end of the summer every year. The love/hate thing? Let’s face it, we mostly love it here, for a few days at least. Interbike 2016. Here we go again.

Let’s turn this over to you. What would you like us to cover from Interbike 2016? There is already a thread started on the forum – you can go there and tell us about your wish list, or let us know here, in the comments.

Plus-sized tires? E-bikes? We got a press release about a kids’ e-bike, how messed up is that? Wearable tech? Non-bike related? I’m just filling space at this point.

We’ll update this list as the week goes on.


What are you curious to hear about?

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JLW124
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Jason Wolfe  - Sept. 20, 2016, 6:55 p.m.

Ask Fox what they plan to do with the Marzocchi product line

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david-mills
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David Mills  - Sept. 20, 2016, 10:15 a.m.

Pretty much everything I want to see has either been out for months, or was thoroughly covered at EuroBike. I'm looking for a bit more detail on Banshee, Knolly, 29+ tires/forks [oh yeah, I went there], and… That's it. The rest is hard to care about.

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - Sept. 20, 2016, 5:09 p.m.

I don't know about Banshee, but Knolly isn't here. We'll watch out for 29+ stuff for sure.

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denomerdano
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Deniz Merdano  - Sept. 19, 2016, 9:02 p.m.

Please go find Box Components and score a drivetrain for me to install on your bike. It's about time someone shook the boots off of Shi and Sra.

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - Sept. 19, 2016, 9:55 p.m.

I don't think they have anything ready for showtime yet but we're definitely working on it.

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brian
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Brian Goldstone  - Sept. 20, 2016, 6:56 p.m.

they had it at Eurobike but maybe that was the only one

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tehllama42
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Tehllama42  - Sept. 19, 2016, 12:20 p.m.

I'd actually like to see some more in-depth information on the OEM side, especially the volume stuff, not necessarily making you guys sit through press release verbal diarrhea about acronyms they can use to describe the latest and greatest. Stuff like where the trickle-down frontier is going to hit at various price points.
Little comparisons about which complete kits might be slightly better values, or which mix-and-match kits are likely to be sleeper hits for those of us not checking every bling box on a new bike purchase. Stuff like which dropper posts are actually worth the OEM pricing, who's making OEM wheelsets that might be worth keeping on a bike, and what aftermarket stuff might start to appear in stock bike builds.

For the new bike models, I think we really just want pictures. Ditto on Tires, Cockpit Parts, and other relatively static components - lots of pictures and we'll be extremely happy.
Other than that, general impressions - I'd be fine if it was just a video upload of turning those into a drinking game nightly - doesn't need to be polished, just capturing impressions before mountains of press junket verbiage starts to displace what initial impressions are.

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - Sept. 19, 2016, 8:05 p.m.

I appreciate the thought you put into that, but we might need a bit of clarification - and clarify a few things for you - in order to determine what's feasible and what isn't.

When you say you want to hear more about what's going on with the OEM side, understand that that's usually not information we're privy to. If we were, we'd be sharing it. There are various reasons - competitive, strategic, or logistical - why that stuff isn't usually made available to us before bike models are released. Things like pricing are tricky for the OEMs to handle, based on currency and supplier pricing, etc. So, giving you a glance at just where price points are going to be - and here I'm assuming you mean "based on the just-released 2017 models, here's what to expect for 2018" - is not feasible.

When you say "which dropper posts are worth the OEM pricing", again - we're not privy to OEM pricing. Ditto re: OEM wheel sets, but anyway there aren't a ton of OEM-specific wheel sets - there's usually an aftermarket availability as well. It is true that we usually test high-end wheel sets and it sounds like you're looking for real world experience with lower cost ones - that is something we can consider for future. We cannot, however, tell how a wheelset will perform from here in Vegas, although you might find other sites that will speculate in that way (and then look for that ad on their page). Oops, did I say that out loud?

But here I want to ask you to help me understand a bit better what you're asking for, because I think you have some legitimate requests, I just don't have a clear grasp on them.

Photos of bikes, tires, etc. - that we can do. Vids aren't as easy/quick as you think, even if they're not polished.

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tehllama42
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Tehllama42  - Sept. 21, 2016, 9:16 a.m.

Wow, awesome. I'll try and clarify what I can, hopefully it's reasonable or at least achievable… then I just hope I'm not in the extreme minority for what sort of content I like best.

OEM stuff - it isn't so much wanting to know behind-the-curtain or pricing stuff, but trying to make some generalizations about how the bike brands are picking parts for complete builds. Are the SRAM-heavy ones running generally consistent drivetrain/fork/brake combinations (e.g. NX shifter/GX RD & Cassette, DB5 brakes, Yari + Monarch/Deluxe R), or are certain areas of the bikes being up-specced more frequently (seeing more GuideR brakes on budget builds, or seeing some DeluxeRT and RT3 shocks on newer designs even down to entry level units).
The other part is how much cross-brand mix-and-match is going on. Are bikes running Shimano/SRAM cockpit parts more often, or are house brand and smaller brand droppers/bars/stems more visible on some bikes across product lines - and are those primarily at the higher price points, or the lower price points?
The other big one of those are wheelsets - are house branded wheelsets becoming more common, or are name brands primarily in aftermarket popping up as more common out-of-the-box offerings (Stan's, RaceFace, etc.) - and similarly is this something that's biased towards one side of the overall pricing scheme or another.

I'm not really after raw pricing, so much as being able to keep track of which new products are going to show up in mid-entry level price bikes, which things are going to be high end/niche items, and which things are likely destined to be aftermarket-only things. That's often pretty hard to tell, and still might be considering that anybody there to show it off is going to have some optimism bias about market penetration.

Another far more general question that is probably beyond the scope of a trade show is what price point certain big-hitter components start to appear, and which companies seem to make that happen at lower points. Might be an unreasonable ask, but mentally I like to keep track of what the price threshold is where bikes are coming with the top end spec for Tires and Suspension (e.g. I know I want a bike with Exo/TR/(3C) Minions, and either Lyric/Pike RCT3 + Monarch(+) R(C/T)3, or Fox36/34 + FloatX(2) Kashima - and if some of these have an asterisk elsewhere on the specification to hit that price point (e.g. down-specced drivetrain or omitted dropper post). This might be far more general, and fit in less well for the tradeshow rotation, but for new part releases, I'm usually trying to see what price point specific things will (and won't) show up at.

I figure that videos are stupid time-consuming to produce for how short they are - but even minimum effort gopro time lapses.
The big galleries are still something I'm quite fond of - but when stuff is kinda dead (as it sounds like Interbike is this year), some of the more lifestyle/vibe stuff or just covering the light-hearted jackassary that characterizes trade shows is cool stuff.

I'd also be totally down with super-brief interviews in text - especially just the sound-bite stuff from company representatives about what specifically they're trying to achieve at both the trade show you're there at, but what they're looking to accomplish for the year as a whole.

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brad-sedola
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Brad Sedola  - Sept. 19, 2016, 11:50 a.m.

I'd love some more details of the Ghost H AMR X AL. Weight, MSRP (CAD $), Canadian availability… Surprised there wasn't any coverage from Eurobike.

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - Sept. 19, 2016, 9:55 p.m.

Not sure if they're here but it does look interesting.

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slimshady76
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Luix  - Sept. 19, 2016, 11:29 a.m.

PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE stay off the goddamn press kits! Walk Interbike and find us the weird, the amazing and the stupid. But please again, don't bring the same brainwashed, premasticated sh!t all the other bike related websites keep regurgitating time and time again…

I can't believe how we get the exact same posts in the major 5-6 media outlets, at the same time, out of hundreds of expositors. I get it, you guys have to pay the bills, but please don't (fully) lock yourselves (and by extension, ourselves) into the the mainstream content coverage. Hell, it even looks like all the press guys get tossed into a guided tour through each and every year, flanked by anti-riot guards who only allow them to photograph and to write about 10-12 start products, sending the rest of the fair into the oblivion for those of us not lucky enough to attend.

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - Sept. 19, 2016, 8:16 p.m.

If a company releases something AT INTERBIKE, that's just what you're going to get. It's news.

We usually look for some unique, weird, and amazing stuff. Of course, there's a lot of really crappy things here that are presented as innovative, and while we could share a lot of that stuff, generally it deteriorates quickly into heavy satire, because we're sarcastic bastards, and then it starts to feel like we're picking on the runty kid, and that doesn't make us feel good about ourselves. We'll still do it a bit though.

But we have something already for tomorrow that's unique. Actually it just went live…

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slimshady76
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Luix  - Sept. 20, 2016, 7:01 a.m.

Thanks for the reply Pete. I think you mean the Renovo wooden bikes, right? Pretty unique and interesting…

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - Sept. 20, 2016, 5:10 p.m.

Those are the ones. The article is up. They don't have testers or even bikes for sale yet but we're curious to get one to ride.

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tehllama42
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Tehllama42  - Sept. 21, 2016, 2:35 p.m.

I'm all about some sardonic coverage of ludicrous widgets… but that won't really pay bills or be much more than forum fodder.
I still do like coverage of some of them which are really elegant solutions to problem nobody seems to have. The cockamamie ones that otherwise have no application - yeah, don't bother.

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fcnemba
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FCNEMBA  - Sept. 19, 2016, 4:12 a.m.

New suspension options in that most delicious of flavours that seem to be coming back for all mountain and 170mm bikes: coil. E-bikes can go pound sand.

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - Sept. 20, 2016, 5:10 p.m.

We'll keep our eyes open.

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