Not a Bike Review
Mondraker Summum Carbon R (and rally cars and racing)
If you're looking for a full review on the Mondraker Summum Carbon R, there isn't one here. There's a few words at the bottom, but for reasons we'll discuss it's far from science.
If you're looking for my attempt to summarize one of the better weekends of my life in a long time, that's here. This bike features heavily.
If you're looking for a discussion on why downhill bikes are the best bikes on Earth, even though they're useless at most things bikes should be good at, a nebulous value proposition for brands, a massive headache to ride, and why I'm in love with this bike, stick around. Downhill bikes rule.
Downhill bikes are bad bikes. In a time where the versatility of most bikes is increasing - you can pedal your 170mm enduro bike all day, or take your 120mm downcountry whippet into some (moderate) gnar, downhill bikes are still incredibly single-use. But because of this singular focus, when you're in the right place, on the right trails, the fit-for-purpose nature comes to the fore and it all makes sense; all the driving, wallowing around in the parking lot, and general faff associated with downhill bikes suddenly makes sense.
They are, in some ways, a bit of a blend between racecars and hypercars.
Ford doesn't sell racecars*, their bread and butter is a myriad of cars for people to get to work in, move people around, move things around, and some designed primarily for recreation. If that sounds akin to bike companies, you're with me. Most of the bike companies we deal with here at NSMB are recreation focused, but their bottom line is supported primarily by selling machines that have nothing to do with racing.
So aside from the ego of Henry Ford, why did the Ford Motor Company famously spend millions to go to Le Mans with the GT40? Sure, most brands with a cutting edge race team will tell you the technology trickles down to their consumer models, but you'll have to try pretty hard to convince me Toyota's Rally1 WRC car has much in common with the GR Yaris they sell to Gen Xers having a midlife crisis. Why have they spent additional millions making homages to the racecars of the late 60s to sell to consumers at a loss like they're pre-cooked rotisserie chickens in a grocery store?
That's right. Hypercars, racecars, rotisserie chickens, and downhill bikes are all halo products and/or loss leaders. It's marketing.
*Yes look I know you can buy things like the Cobra Jet. But we only have so many words.
Mondraker spends marketing dollars in a lot of places, I'm sure. Whether it's community event activations, digital banner ads, or video content production, it all comes out of roughly the same line item in the broader budget. They also have another hefty item on that list - Mondraker Factory Racing. It shouldn't be a surprise the company spends money on a downhill team - they have deep roots in gravity racing. I'm doing some speculating here, but this likely isn't because selling Summums is what keeps the lights on in Spain. But when Rónán and Dakotah are standing on the downhill World Cup podium, Mondraker believes that's pushing consumers their way; win on Sunday, sell on Monday.
There's also little argument that the technology they test and refine between the tape makes its way to consumers; everything from the Zero Suspension System to Forward Geometry was rolled out on their downhill race bikes first.
The team is currently racing a prototype of the next gen Summum - while some details are obviously still being decided, and they're not sharing all the details just yet, they do have some run-downs.
While it's likely been painfully obvious to most readers of this series that I'm ecstatic to be back on a downhill bike, and that this one is very good, there's a couple things I'd blissfully forgotten as well. The biggest challenge for me - as I don't live next door to a bike park - is that you can't ride downhill bikes by yourself. Given the time constraints of myself and most of my peers who have kids, jobs, families, and just life in general, it means getting out on the Summum has been challenging. This has improved over time as new and old friends with downhill bikes appear, but overall the "grab the window and go solo" ethos of much of my riding is incompatible with shuttling, and Whistler is just too far away most of the time.
Given all those considerations, I've spent less time on the Summum since Psychosis than I'd like but I'm finally feeling comfortable aboard the 38-pound machine. For a full recap on specs, and a bit about the feedback loops of getting back up to speed and suspension setup on the Mondraker, have a look back here. I've made a couple of cockpit changes: I lengthened the direct mount stem out to 45mm over the stock 25/30mm, swapped bars to a 35mm rise OneUp cut down to 780mm, and for Psychosis I added 10mm of spacers to combat the ridiculous steeps. Completely superfluously, I added a Mondraker Team Edition saddle (Thanks SDG!). And after a bit of back and forth, I've settled on a 450-pound spring out back.
I can't go deep on nuances for review here - I just don't have enough to compare. But I've got some notes, if you're shopping. The Summum Carbon R is a race bike - big wheels, no shuttle guard, and geometry that wants to go fast. It's happiest in some combination of steep, chunky, or fast, where the rear end swallows big and small bumps alike. Silly high lines over rough roots, plowing straight over the rocks, punching through the braking holes - this isn't an enduro bike, and the less you treat it like one, the better the suspension and geometry will do for you.
There's also enough mid-stroke support (and not too much weight) that the bike is eager to be picked up, whether to change lines or vertically bypass trail features. That support and overall predictability of the kinematics helps on large jumps too. Where the Summum doesn't excel is tight, twisty, janky, terrain where you're unable to carry speed; it's easy to get bogged down, and hard work to get back up to speed. If you're looking for a long-travel bike to ka-chunk down the hill on, I'd look elsewhere. You don't need to be out there trying to win every lap and shave tenths, but the race pedigree of Mondraker is apparent in how the Summum rides.
So should you buy that downhill bike you've been thinking about? Like hypercars, they're expensive and most of owners can't use them regularly; there's about as many people using their Aston Martin Valkyrie to get groceries as there are people pedaling downhill bikes around on regular rides. This means a downhill bike likely isn't your only bike - you're adding to the quiver - which takes space in addition to money. And it's best if you have friends with downhill bikes. Your enduro bike is way more versatile, and you'll be able to ride basically all of the same terrain, albeit differently.
But that versatility comes at a cost; sure you can get groceries in your GR Yaris with both kids in the back, and have some second and third gear fun on twisty roads, but I'd rather have access to a real rally car and a place to use it in anger, even if that access only comes along every so often. Downhill bikes offer that opportunity - you can go buy the very same bikes that World Cup racers are aboard (mostly, anyway).
Should you buy this downhill bike? I'm a fan - for what that's worth. The value is in line with peers, it looks f***ing fantastic, and it goes like hell. There's also other builds - and alloy builds - to choose from. Mondraker is a well-established brand, albeit lesser known in North America, with a deep pedigree and history to lean on, and they pride themselves on their gravity bikes. After all, the first Mondraker was a downhill bike.
If you're not sure yet, I've got a couple more projects in the pipeline with this thing, so stay tuned.
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MTB_THETOWN
3 weeks, 4 days ago
I really want, but don't have, a downhill bike for all the reasons mentioned here.
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Mark
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Buy a used 27.5 DH bike or frame, maybe add an angleset if you want more slack, and go DH riding on the cheap.
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 4 days ago
You're getting ahead here, but yeah we'll talk about that at some point in the series here. If you've got the space for one more bike... used can be a great option.
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Mark
3 weeks, 4 days ago
I was able to cobble together my DH bike by buying a new frame and using most of the parts from my old DH bike. Ended up being under $1K CDN a few years ago. Debating if I'll spring for a 29er fork/wheel. It will be interesting to see where the series goes. +1 for having a stable with a DH bike in it.
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Mammal
3 weeks, 4 days ago
100%. I've been following the same path since 2018, when I pieced together a '13 Aurum (26er) with a 27.5 fork, and a crap load of my old parts from my 2007 relic of a race bike. After a couple of seasons I swapped over to a 27.5 Aurum along with required updates on a couple bits. Then this season swapped again to the XL version to better match the fit to modern bikes.
It feels perfect. Really balanced fit at 825 FC/452 reach/455 RC. HA is modern at 63 deg, and I wouldn't want the BB any lower. No issues at all with the 27.5 front wheel.
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Agleck7
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Sadly not possible for tall guys :(
Reaches on those bikes barely get over 450
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Jotegir
3 weeks, 4 days ago
What did tall guys do in 2017?
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Raced on tiny bicycles.
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Jotegir
3 weeks, 4 days ago
And yet Greg looks like he's having a good time!
Perry Schebel
3 weeks, 4 days ago
doing a long weekend in whistler next month (my 1st & likely only days up there this year). currently mulling over which would be the preferable ride: my modern 160mm trail/duro rig, or dusting off the vintage (15 yr old / 26") 200mm dh sled. big travel vs big(ger) wheels & current geometry? hmmm...
Mammal
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Reach on the production XXL V10 in 2017 was 475 (Matches 2024 XL). The tiny bikes were quite a bit before that.
Cr4w
3 weeks, 4 days ago
For Mondraker sure. But YT, Commencal, Atherton and Santa Cruz make their biggest DH bikes with 508 reach and around 670 ETT (or bigger) which is big enough to about 6'7".
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Tjaard Breeuwer
3 weeks, 3 days ago
Exactly, that’s what I noticed when I looked after the first article. Many of them don’t even come in an XL, let alone XXL.
XS is probably no better.
Just as well that our steep and rough trails are slow and our fastest trails are not that rough. Local fast kid didn’t even ride his in our DH race…
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 4 days ago
And that's why I didn't have one for a long, long time.
But as much as I've been reminded why I didn't have a DH bike for the past decade+, I've been reminded moreover why I should.
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Jotegir
3 weeks, 4 days ago
So what happens when your time is up with the Mondraker? You gonna make plans for it to last forever?
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Lynx .
3 weeks, 3 days ago
Yeah, I'm curious on this as well. My question is a bit different though, if you weren't loaned this bike to test, would you spend your hard earned $$ and buy one?
Personally I think most don't have enough/proper access to trails that would warrant having something like that sitting for most of the time, a good modern 150-170mm travel rig would do most who have really proper trails and something in the 120-140mm range would suit most who actually ride MTBs, because most don't have the sort of terrain to even warrant anything more, but then again, people are lazy and like to buy skills or bikes that just will plow anything instead of working on their handling skills.
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 3 days ago
What happens to media bikes is a whole article in and of itself, but as a general rule if a reviewer wants to keep it, sometimes a buyout option is available (or, sometimes it isn't, as the brand has other plans for the bike). For the time being, this project was already planned to be more than just a standard NSMB "First Look, Full Review" two-parter, so there's some more in the works for it.
So far, my answer to "would you spend your hard earned $$ and buy one?" is... I now absolutely remember why I should always have a DH bike in the stable. The reality of dropping MSRP means I'd probably go alloy, but yes I really like this bike. The other option would be (as noted above), there's a lot of spectacular used DH bike deals out there, on rigs that likely didn't see a ton of use.
I'd agree with basically everything in your second paragraph, but as you know I'm somewhat of a proponent of underbiking (ironic thing to say on a DH bike article, but y'know.)
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roil
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Great article.
I've driven a lot of fast sports cars on road and track and am pretty confident in saying that a Miata is the best option 90% of the time. That being said, I still want a GT3.
Should I be riding my trails on a 100mm bike?
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Miata vs GT3 is the quintessential "slow car fast" question, really.
Underbiking is fun! I'm a big fan. But no, that's not the takeaway really. The metaphor gets a bit confused, but the point was, there's nothing like proper race-ready equipment in the right place.
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Morgan Heater
3 weeks, 3 days ago
I think a DH bike is a significantly cheaper mid life crisis toy than a sports car, and will probably generate more smiles per mile and per dollar. My one current motor lust is a Stark Varg...
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Jotegir
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Yeah, there's a reason that every time I hear someone say this [not a downhill bike] descends just like a downhill bike, I usually smile and nod and chat with them about that bike (or continue to read the review, as the case may be) but in my head I think they're either, hyperbolic, ill-informed or lying. Usually they're just stoked on enduro bike new bike day. That's forgivable. I get excited too sometimes. But the other times, dive a little deeper and it turns out they're riding a cutting edge enduro bike but the downhill bike they're comparing to is a rental or a few years old (ill-informed). Or maybe it turns out they're doing some marketing (this often falls into the other category). Granted, there's some sweet bikes out there that get damn close, like the ill-fated Norco Range, but without a dual crown out front and perhaps that full 200 out back, it's just not quite there.
Downhill bikes are sweet. I don't think there's a better bike-related feeling out there than when you're riding at your absolute peak on the big bike. The Aurum HSP remains my favourite bike of all time, even though its 2016 tech in a MY2019 package. Given the expense of a top-tier DH bike build and the well-identified use case, I'm trying my best to never swing a leg over something more modern. Personally I'm kind of hoping Norco doesn't put their DH bike into production. Because I can't really afford one but know I'd probably need one before the run ended.
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Yep, there's nothing like the real deal. I will no longer be accepting (enduro) substitutes.
And yeah, you can do that - I was riding the Whistler Bike Park with a friend last weekend on his converted 200mm Range, with a Fox 40.
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Mark
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Truth. The feeling of riding on a beast of a bike (DH) is way different than other types. They are all fun in their own way, but an overbuilt enduro/freeride bike is not going to deliver in the same way a full on DH bike is. Life is too short not to eat all the fruit.
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Morgan Heater
3 weeks, 4 days ago
We recently got a lift access park at Snoqualmie Pass, less than an hour from downtown Seattle. I had never considered a DH bike, but between the roughness of the trails and the access, it's been pretty amazing to have one. I definitely have a bit of trouble getting excited about going for a pedal now though.
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 4 days ago
Dru Bru!
I'll be checking the Snoqualmie Pass park out at some point I hope - I'm through there somewhat regularly.
The irony is... I probably won't have a DH bike with me. Due to the incredibly single-purpose nature of DH bikes, they're shit to travel with...
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Morgan Heater
3 weeks, 3 days ago
I think the pass is pretty sweet. Small, but big plans, and there are quite a few old legacy trails that make it bigger than you'd think from looking at the map. Also, there truly is nothing like a DH bike for generating traction in places where there should be no traction.
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JT
3 weeks, 3 days ago
This was definitely one of the better bike reviews I've read in a good spot, and not just due to the overall lack of reviews coming out as of late. I don't have the terrain requiring a 200mm+ travel rig, but damn does this make me want to.
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 3 days ago
Thanks, I appreciate that.
And yeah, there's not a TON of places that do require a DH rig... but if you have it, it's insane.
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BarryW
3 weeks, 2 days ago
You're making me not buying that new Marin Quake really hard Cooper.
But also thanks, I know I'm love riding a full downhill rig. I've been riding Snoqualmie Pass myself up until a small tumble in Saturday broke my shoulder.
So now I'm making extra epic plans for next season.
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Cooper Quinn
3 weeks, 1 day ago
Aaaaaah shit. It sucks when it's your turn to pay the tax. Heal up!
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danielshiels
2 weeks, 6 days ago
I was riding steep tech uplift on my geometron and very happy until I jumped on a friend's sender. The difference was night and day even when I was sure it wouldn't be
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 5 days ago
Yep. If you missed this one, I had an abrupt reminder about how very different proper DH bikes really are...
https://nsmb.com/articles/downhill-bikes-are-psychotic/
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