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Min-Max: Daniel's Aluminum Guerrilla Gravity Smash

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Central TX. Rocky, chunky, loose, not much dirt, rapid-fire ups and downs with more proper steep, technical, and big hits than people imagine, usually with an awkward flat flow-killer corner for a run-out." - Daniel Culotta

GG Wishes

Daniel's aluminum Smash has me all fired up. They're easily in my top-five full-suspension trail bikes I'd buy used and one of the nicest multi-pivot rigs to service. But before I dive into the good stuff, I need to get a couple of things off my chest.

Nothing against their USA Made fantastic-plastic full suspension frames, but every time I see an aluminum Guerrilla Gravity, in person or in photos, I can't help but lament that they couldn't produce both products simultaneously. Along with Nicolai, GG was making some of the most interesting aluminum mountain bikes, and I'm certain there is a market for their metal bikes among those who will never buy carbon.

It drives me crazy that GG doesn't sell their one metal bike, the steel Pedalhead hardtail, as a frame only. It's an interesting frame with excellent all-around hardtail geometry and sweet-looking sliders. For such a colourful brand, Guerrilla Gravity's current stock builds are the antithesis of their compelling bike lineup and I'm positive I'd have had the chance to throw a leg over a few locally if folks could buy the Colorado-made "half squish, full send" steel sled as a frameset.

And, breathe.

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Carbon cranks? On a min-maxed bike? Daniel bought his Smash used, they came with it, and they're still spinning. The non-colour matched chainstay was a warranty replacement by the previous owner.

Bought Used

Daniel's bike is pretty recent, having been welded up in 2018. It also is hung with some full-flash parts like the Zeb Ultimate, DT 240 hubs, and a pair of carbon RaceFace cranks which may have some regular min-max readers crying foul, but much of the value here comes from the fact that he bought it used in 2021, a couple of years after GG stopped making all-aluminum bikes.

There was some work required however. The Code brakes needed a rebuild, the frame needed a bearing replaced, and of course used bikes are, used. On the other hand, Daniel picked it up for a solid deal and it had been upgraded from the stock GG 'Race' build with CushCore inserts and Wolf Tooth ReMote added.

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DT 240 hubs, XT shifting, USA-made Horst-Link frame, RockShox Super Deluxe coil shock. There are amazing used deals to be found if you know what you're looking at. As always, Buyer Beware.

Saluting Serviceability

I've put in a lot of hours working on the Smash. Not this Smash that lives in Central Texas, but the GG frames in general. There are a lot of things I appreciate about the design. Foremost, the bearings are well shielded and well supported, and combined with excellent alignment they last a shockingly long time for their size.

When it does come time to replace bearings, each journal has a cut-out so it's clean and simple to tap them out with a punch and hammer. I own a small bearing press for putting the new ones in, but not a blind-hole bearing extractor which makes this a frame I can service at home. I think it's a nice detail that shows the brand is thinking ahead to a customer interested in longtime ownership.

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That's my brother's GG Smash in raw. The boostinated Chris King hubs and 49/49 headset, and the resized CCDB shock have been on a few rigs over the years. It's seen plenty of fork & shock services, frame bearings, and countless wear-item replacements. Photo: Andrew Major

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My brother is the only person I know who thinks of his full-suspension rig as a 'forever bike.' Short of the frame fatiguing into a new role hanging on his wall, I honestly believe he'll be riding this GG in twenty years. Photo: Andrew Major

The Syntace hanger design is not without faults, but the breakaway bolts are nearly universally available and it deserves credit for being the original universal derailleur hanger (UDH). It makes perfect sense for smaller brands to future-proof their bicycles and make it easy for their customers to buy spares by using a common hanger, and before SRAM put out UDH, this was the best option available to meet that goal.

The Smash is a bastion of don't-fix-what-ain't-broke bicycle standards. A classic Horst-Link suspension configuration with a full-length seat tube, horizontally mounted shock, and room for a bottle, or even two depending on frame size, inside the main triangle. There is a threaded BSA bottom bracket, good external cable routing and an IS rear brake mount that puts the threads for the brake caliper on the cheaply-replaced adapter instead of into the frame.

Finally, GG used a classic 49/49 head tube standard, née 1.5", which came out in or around 2003. It's a twenty-year-old headtube standard that can accommodate current tapered forks, and if Daniel wants to get really spicy he can fit a -2° Works Angleset.

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We're not on the North Shore anymore! Daniel's Guerrilla Grav lives in Central Texas.

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OneUp dropper, Wolf Tooth ReMote, and GG's beauty Colorado weld job.

Daniel's Jenson-Zeb Story

Daniel can't actually run said -2° Works Angleset with his current setup, and he's shopping bars taller than his current Race Face +35mm Atlas bar because the steerer tube on his '21 Zeb is just barely long enough to work with the headtube on his Smash.

Daniel won his fork from Jenson USA as part of a promotion where he reviewed a couple of low-cost consumables. After confirming it wasn't a to-good-to-be-true internet scam, he received the Zeb we see here, a '21 Ultimate that was a media-review fork, with a couple of decal scuffs, a missing air cap, and the cut-down steerer.

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Used as it was, a Zeb Ultimate is a pretty great draw prize for just writing a review of some basic bits and bobs.

Pedals, Cranks, & Brakes

I'll admit when I was first looking at the pictures Daniel sent, the carbon crankset did raise my eyebrow a bit. Not that I've anything against Race Face cranks - I've countless hours on the same set of Turbines I purchased in a panic in 2017. I also love their Aeffect R 24mm-axle arms and recommend them to anyone who will listen.

For one, carbon cranks are expensive, and also some generations of Race Face's NEXT arms, while lightweight, aren't famed for their reliability. Clearly, Daniel saw me coming:

"The internet will be surprised to hear that they haven't yet jumped off the bike, killed me in my sleep, and burnt my house down."

He did include the word "yet" in there, so he's aware that may be coming. Joking aside, he's not the only person I know hucking away happily on a few-year-old set of the Burnaby, BC brand's carbon crank arms, so who knows?

The M520 pedals are a cool throwback to when Shimano's SPD options were a bit thicker than they are now but seemed to last for years longer. For an XC-sized platform, the M540 is the sleeper hit - a spitting image of the legendary first-generation XTR pedals - but you really can't go wrong with the M520 either. Unless you're stuck trying to explain to someone why a pair of cleats cost half as much as a pair of M520 pedals, which include cleats. Serviceability only matters when the parts are reasonably priced and the ratio of cleat v. pedal is off.

I like the current generation of stock Magura master cylinder assemblies, and the shape of their HC lever blades, and they have a number of options for blade-shape. I've also had excellent experiences with their longevity. The calipers seem to last forever, and nerds are going to nerd, so I've had the opportunity to build a few Shigura (Shimano + Magura) setups now both for myself and for friends.

Daniel is running the most common collaboration; a ServoWave lever assembly (in his case the best-on-a-budget Deore level) with an MT5 caliper. If you are going to go down this road, I'd recommend trying a Shigura setup using a non-ServoWave system, at least as a comparison, if you can. Also, no company recommends or stands behind combinations with non-factory parts, so remember this is a case of wrencher-beware.

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Daniel plans to replace the E13 TRS+ 11-speed cassette with a Garbaruk when the time comes.

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"Shimano M520 pedals that I've had for 15 years and rode from Texas to Alaska on, plus thousands more miles since."

Smashing

Whether it's the "rocky, chunky" terrain of Texas, the greasy-rooted North Vancouver rainforest, or, well, most anywhere it would seem, I've yet to hear of a Smash rider who had ridden their GG with both a coil and air shock and didn't significantly prefer the coil. That's whether they run the linkage in 'Plush' or 'Crush' mode.

The Guerrilla Gravity Smash is always happy with a range of fork travel lengths, though here again it would seem most riders prefer to pair 160mm of front travel to the 140mm rear suspension, regardless of the mode they run it in.

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Daniel's size medium Smash has the Zeb Ultimate set at 160mm of travel and the 140mm of rear suspension relies on a coil-sprung RockShox Super Deluxe. He's also sporting a CushCore insert in the back tire.

In terms of upgrades, Daniel is already running offset bushings in the shock. The slightly slacker head tube angle is a bonus, but the key goal was to lower his bottom bracket a smidge. He'd also consider an angleset if his fork's steerer tube was longer, but clearly not to the extent that he'd be willing to purchase a new CSU (crown steerer unit).

He's already bumped the dropper post travel up to 180mm with a OneUp V2, and the other item on his radar is a 54t ratchet set for the DT Swiss hubs, to replace the current 36t option. The grips are Renthal push-ons, which are fantastic.

Weight is not a huge concern. There are steep punchy climbs on the trails this Smash regularly hits but none of them are long sustained efforts so I'd say the bike is built to be ridden as it is with the odd part replaced as it breaks, wears out, or upgrades catch Daniel's fancy.

Thanks for sharing Daniel, and for everyone else who e-mailed me with a min-max submission as well. We'll have plenty of interesting takes on the concept coming up!

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Carmel
+5 Niels van Kampenhout bishopsmike Curveball jmvdigital bushtrucker

I owned an '18 Smash in Raw as well and it was a really great bike. Had some great trips and races on it and basically only replaced it because of new bike lust. Had it with an MRP Ribbon Coil I still ride and a SD air that really came alive after it received some tuning to get rid of bucking and spiking.
However I had a few issues that go contrary to what you write above Andrew:

- Frame alignment was kinda bad, the rear dropout where 144 instead of 148mm so I always had to spread the rear triangle to finagle the wheel in there. Shock also didn't go in smoothly without loosening the link.

- While nice from an adjustment point of view the angular bearings were hard to set-up properly and they lasted not very long for me. Which brings me to the next point in that the cut-outs that you mention were not fully machined and I had to use a blind bearing puller to pull out the outer bearing races stuck in the frame. Because you can't pull angular bearings with the inner race..

All minor things and I am sure the customer service support is much easier in North America (I am in Germany and had to order via a UK distributor) but I am much happier on my Banshee Titan now.

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bigwheels29
+2 Niels van Kampenhout jmvdigital

I also loved my AL GG Smash!  And I had good experiences with GG and salute their business model.

That said, I share Carmel's experience in that my first set of bearings lasted forever and then after that I went down a rabbit hole of nightmares related to both alignment and angular bearing seating challenges.

I broke a chainstay right as they were transitioning to the new modular setup and I think the new AL seatstays (designed for the new carbon front triangles) didn't mate well with the older frames.  I also know they had a bad batch that created headaches for quite awhile.

Anyway, I went through 3-4x new chainstays that either broke or created issues @ the main pivot bolt or rear pivot bolts.  On top of which, two shops had challenges getting the angular bearings to align correctly and while that may have been a result of the chain/seat stay compatibility, it eventually resulted in me saying goodbye to one of my favorite bikes.

GG was great through it all, but there was only so much they could do without selling me a new frame.

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AndrewMajor
+1 bushtrucker

Ugh, sorry you had a dud. There seem to be exceptions to every rule - I know a fellow who had a bad Titan too - but I take consolation that yours is the first aluminum GG I’ve heard of having alignment (or bearing extraction) issues. 

Glad you enjoy your Titan. I loved my experience with the bike.

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bigbrett
+2 Niels van Kampenhout Andrew Major

@andrew, now you know two. I had an AL smash with awful alignment, snapped 3 seat stays, the last of which resulted in a crash that basically totaled  the bike. GG support was great through it all but I jumped ship after that. After snapping their “redesigned” version, I had 0 faith in their engineering at that point. Seems like their bikes are kind of an afterthought for them with all the revved parent company stuff. Got a geometron and never looked back

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AndrewMajor
+1 Niels van Kampenhout

Seat stays rather than chain stays? 

Nice to hear about good support but it sucks to have a frame fail multiple times. Do you have a history of breaking bikes, or was it a big surprise coming from an expensive boutique manufacturer? I only ask as I’ve known a few riders who break EVERYTHING.

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bigwheels29
+1 Niels van Kampenhout

No, chainstay, my bad.  But because they only replaced the chainstays, I think the compatibility/alignment became a challenge b/w chainstay-seatstay-front triangle

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bigbrett
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Mine was chainstay too, sorry OP said it was seatstay so that’s what was on my mind. But it was my chainstays that sheared. Ended up snapping the shock and bending the linkage too. 

Again, GG was really awesome with replacements, but yeah, id rather just not break shit. 

Meanwhile, I’ve hurled my G1 off of multiple cliffs and not a single thing has gone wrong. Still haven’t even needed to replace spherical bearings on the storia after 3 seasons

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Vikb
+3 Andrew Major Niels van Kampenhout bishopsmike

2018 was a great year for GG Smashes. Such a fun bike. I'm glad I got a metal one before they stopped making them. FWIW I'm rocking RF carbon cranks on mine and they haven't killed me yet either. It was part of one of the build kits when I ordered. -1 deg WC headset and 160mm fork suits the bike nicely. I dig the coil and plush mode. Bike still climbs great and descends better. I'm a fan of the higher BB. Pedal strikes are just not happening and that's a beautiful thing. I know "All Mountain" has gone out of favour, but that's what comes to mind when I think of this bike.

I still hold out hope GG will make metal FS bikes again. I expect to be disappointed, but you never know.

My GF has a carbon Smash. While it's a nice machine I am not jealous.

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AndrewMajor
+1 Vik Banerjee

Yours was stock with the MRP suspension? They certainly did some neat builds in the past. Plush with a coil for the win. 

I like the term All Mountain but it really has been cleaved into 'Trail' and 'Enduro.' When I was deciding how to categorize this rig I went with trail - where the Gnarvana is certainly an Enduro bike - but with an angleset and over-forking the Slash is no slouch.

"My GF has a carbon Smash. While it's a nice machine I am not jealous."

This is my hot take on the carbon bikes as well. Sweet rigs, but if I was choosing from two fresh bikes, I'd take the aluminum bike with an angleset.

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Vikb
+1 Andrew Major

When I bought my Smash GG was still customizing builds. So I swapped in the MRP Coil fork. Deleted the dropper as I wanted a 1" setback 9.8 to tame the steep STA. I made a few other changes that escape my memory now. That MRP fork is going strong in 140mm mode on my SS hardtail and I put a 160mm Lyrik Ultimate on the GG. I had both and the MRP can be internally travel adjusted so it made sense on a HT.

FWIW - both our GGs are well aligned and the bearings just keep going and going. My GF whose nickname is "The Destroyer" has 4 years of riding including lots of wet rides and poorly aimed bike wash hosing sessions.

If I get the itch for a new FS frame I'll keep the Smash. It's not worth much on the used market and it's such a great bike that I can see myself coming back to it later on. The geo is still exactly what I want from a FS "All Mountain" rig. I can see calling it a Trail Bike as long as that means riding every trail on the mountain shy of DH race courses. Prior to the GNarvana hitting the trails the Smash was GG's Enduro bike.

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AndrewMajor
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There are a few (more) niche brands that used to do a neat job of either semi-custom builds in house or frame-only/rolling-chassis builds that shops or customers could finish off. Even if they’re more expensive upfront it generally reflects a higher long term value. And let’s face it, if someone is looking for the fanciest rear derailleur for a fixed amount of money it’s probably on a rig from a much larger brand. 

It seems these companies are  all pushing completes these days, often with a mis-match of whatever wheels, cockpit, and dropper post was the cheapest to buy relative to its SRP. Clearly it comes down to money, more money specifically, and that’s their choice, but it’s… boring?

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Jotegir
+2 Andrew Major Curveball

I think part of it comes to getting in with these companies before they get bigger and economies of scale dictate they want to sell more completes and not spend the time doing up custom options. When you're starting out and selling less bikes, there's less opportunity cost associated with doing one-offs for people. Once you're a bit bigger, you're distupting operations to get this stuff done - so if you roll in the opportunity costs, it may just end up prohibitive for consumers. It's still nice when they'll work with you, and my understanding is that GG will still help people out here and there to get the bike they want - provided it's sold as a complete. 

Off the top of my head, Bird bikes still hit the semi custom in house builds, nice alloy options, frame only sales, and still get in at a nice price. Plus they kind of look like beefy Rocky Mountains (not the slayer, that one's beefy enough) without the flippy chips.

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AndrewMajor
+2 Curveball Lu Kz

Bird is doing some neat stuff. Coincidentally, the full suspension rigs sure look a lot like GG's aluminum frames as well.

Curveball
+2 Lu Kz Andrew Major

I almost ordered a Bird. I bought a Rallon instead. Now I need to sell my old alloy GG Megatrail. It's a hell of a bike and seems built to last. It's a 2017 and the geometry still holds up to current bikes.

dsc
+3 Andrew Major Lu Kz Niels van Kampenhout

Thanks for the write up Andrew! It's a really fun bike.

And I did actually ride those pedals from Austin to Anchorage. They've served on many commuter, road, and mountain bikes, and just keep going. I'll replace them with something nicer if they ever wear out. If.

It blows my mind how cheap these metal GGs go for used, especially considering the made in America frames and serviceability. Resale value isn't very important to me since I usually keep bikes for a long time, so picking up one of these in good shape was a no brainer.

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WyOh
+3 Andrew Major Niels van Kampenhout bushtrucker

Still zero gripes from me about my 2018. Avalanche tuned (because I’m a Clyde) RS Coil + 150mm MRP Ribbon (air) provide a nice balanced feel here in NE USA. Heavy, but high engagement, Onyx hubs help my meager tech game. It is my everyday bike for everything from 100mi gravel rides to short chunky days. I’m already sad it will die someday.

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SlurpyTurkey
+3 Andrew Major Niels van Kampenhout bushtrucker

2018 GG TP

This winter I swapped the hardtail parts over to a 2018 Trail Pistol frame I got for $600. Frame was beat up and rusted frozen bearings. So I did the right thing, popped them open in the frame, blasted with wd40 and repacked em with grease and been riding 100+ miles all smiles. It's a great frame, and quite modern as Andrew discusses. 

Hardtail fork steerer was too short so needed a new fork, so now I can justify rebuilding the hardtail! The XL GG headtube is looooooong!

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jt
+2 Andrew Major Justin White

Gotta give GG credit. They managed to make carbon bikes for not a heckuvalot more than their Al ones. Also, every time I see a functioning, no gripe to be had Shigura set up I get more and more convinced that the wandering bite point is near 99% a result of caliper issues.

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AndrewMajor
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This may sound dumb - on multiple levels - but I’ve been musing quite a bit about the Shimano ServoWave WBP the last couple weeks.

I have a plumber coming today because one, or more, of my upstairs neighbour’s (s’) dishwasher(s) are backing up into our bath tub. You can have a shower, drain a bath, etc, but there’s something in a pipe somewhere such that it can’t handle the flow of water from a dishwasher dumping its guts. Most days (most days) it backs up and then drains.

So, from my plumbing woes, I’ve a theory that the difference in the Shimano and Shigura setups - both using ServoWave levers - comes down to the brake lines and barbs - Shigura setups using Magura brake lines and barb/olive. Shimano lines being universal dimensions for the ID and ServoWave pushing a higher volume of fluid initially than non-ServoWave brakes.

It does explain why different riders have different experiences with it as everything from lever reach settings to braking technique will change how much WBP affects their experience. Also, minor differences in tolerances as the crush olive tightens down could be enough to make it better/worse if it is the lines which would also help explain why it’s not universal.

Anywho, just a theory.

***EDIT: WBP = Wandering Bite Point NOT Whistler Bike Park (thanks Cooper).

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NSBillet had a video on their social media with a RED GG frame - best looking edition of their carbon rig yet.

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morgan-heater
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You might be correct, but the plumbing metaphor confuses me as there is a big difference between open and closed systems. I always assumed it had something to do with heat and/or alignment. The only time I've really noticed it is when I either get my slightly off-center, or on really long steep descents where I'm forced to brake constantly in warm weather.

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jt
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I know orifices can def affect fluid return rates and that cavitation can occur when piston return is faster than fluid can flow back (the fire at a theater with one exit theme), but I don't believe there's all together that much of a diff to ID of the inserts to cause such a shift in performance. I've done a lot, and I mean a lot of messing around trying to repair my old SLXs once they developed it. And that's the rub- they worked a treat for a couple years before it ever reared it's head. 

But that's enough highjacking a post about a rad bike :D

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Jotegir
+2 Andrew Major Blofeld

This comment is way better if you insert the incorrect interpretation and blame Vail for user experiences on Shimano systems.

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AndrewMajor
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Hahaha. Yeah a few people have mentioned it.

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Next time I have a set if Shimano brakes that have an obvious WBP I have some alternate barbs to try and some other lines. So I’ll at least have a chance to test my theories.

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BertBC
+1 twk

Andrew, no-one in Canada offering ND Tuned steerer tube replacements yet?

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AndrewMajor
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As far as I know there are not, though this bike is in the USA. Where also, as far as I know, there are not.

I don’t know of any manufacturer who states that it’s okay to re-press in their crowns and of at least one major one who specifically states that CSUs are meant to be pressed once. 

This means the shop doing the re-press is taking on significant liability that they’d need to discuss with their insurance provider. It may not be worth it financially.

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AndrewMajor
+2 Albert Steward Lu Kz

Scratch that, S4 Suspension in Quebec is offering ND tuned tubes so I guess they figured it out.

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Jotegir
+1 Andrew Major

Great shop to have it too, if a bit far for all of us out here! S4 saved our bacon a bunch of times with otherwise unobtainable products over the worst of the COVID shortages...

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AndrewMajor
+1 Lu Kz

I don't know if they are offering their full services and support in Whistler, but they are up and running there now.

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Jotegir
+1 Andrew Major

I wonder if any of their Quebec staff are trying to arrange sabatticals in Whistler or if they're content to ride all the "secret" pure gold trails Quebec has to offer?

just6979
+1 jmvdigital

Pretty sure I've seen impact testing of GG's fancy CFRP (definitely seen Santa Cruz' and Ibis' older tech hit hard. Those were already crazy tough and Revved is supposed to be even tougher re: impacts), and I think I'd rather have that than aluminum! The carbon frailty myth needs to die.

Unless it's an environmental issue, in which case: the thermoplastic Revved material is also supposed to be much less energy intensive than classic thermoset CRFP, plus it actually is recyclable, so there's that.

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AndrewMajor
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I have no reason to doubt that the new Revved frames are stronger than their aluminum bikes - I don’t see anyone here saying otherwise?

I’ve worked on a few at my part-time wrench gigs and they’re nice to work on. The headset/reach system looks a bit bulbous, but with a legit good reason.

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just6979
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Just wondering about the alloy lust.

"and I'm certain there is a market for their metal bikes among those who will never buy carbon"

Perhaps I could have been more direct and posed the question directly instead of rebutting assumed answers....

Why would someone intentionally never buy a carbon frame?

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AndrewMajor
+1 Lu Kz

I imagine like most things folks have a variety of reasons for their material preferences. Some folks might choose aluminum for environmental reasons - production and recycling related - though with geometry stabilizing and more and more access to carbon repair maybe that would be less of a concern - assuming folks repair their frames rather than the typical warranty process of cut-it-up and here's your new one. I personally question the heavy focus on small individual actions in solving our environmental issues. That's not to say I don't live small and walk and ride a bike for as many trips as are feasible but choosing a carbon or aluminum frame, I don't know. 

I have a people vs. processes thing. Whether it's made in Taiwan or Colorado (or Victoria, or Utah), I enjoy seeing the skill and craft of an individual that goes into a welded metal frame. It adds value to me. GG made some beautiful yet obviously hand-built aluminum frames, worthy of a raw finish.

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danithemechanic
+3 Lu Kz Velocipedestrian cheapondirt

Justin, i'd never buy intentionally a carbon bike because it doesn't represent me. 

This is my main reason apart from anything related to maintenance, price, value, environment, ...

Riding mtb is an activity we choose to do and so i think we shouldn't just take wathever we're fed. It's like asking someone why they won't listen to some kind of music. They don't like it, don't feel it, they don't relate to it. Be it popular at the moment or completely obscure.

I spent most of my life working and being around metal bikes and their creators, mostly steel. 

I've never had anything than steel road bikes, for example, because for me that is the bike.

I can't relate to the carbon artifact, since it's mostly synonim of competition, and i didn't care about competing my whole life.

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Jotegir
+3 Niels van Kampenhout Andrew Major danithemechanic

" i'd never buy intentionally a carbon bike"

Unintentional carbon bike purchases only. Don't you hate it when that happens?

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AndrewMajor
+1 Lu Kz

HAHAHA. That's pretty awesome; however, I would GUARRANTEE that in the history of online bike ordering there have been many aluminum bikes ordered that folks thought were carbon and vice versa.

handsomedan
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Does anyone make an aftermarket lever for the MT400?  I'd like to try a non-servo wave shimano set-up, but dislike the long 2 finger lever blades.

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Jotegir
+1 Andrew Major

I think you could get Magura or TRP levers on there without issue. Do your own research though, both swaps should be somewhat documented online. Although shimano levers/magura calipers are more common AFAIK. Might require new hoses though.

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AndrewMajor
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Long is leverage! Delicious leverage. I do know some folks who don't love where the master cylinder sits with the long levers set up for one finger braking - relative to other controls - so I can empathize with that being an issue for some folks.

That said, they don't appear to share architecture with the old Shimano master cylinders where the likes of Dangerboy, Straitline, eNVy, Bonz, etc were making aftermarket blades with different shapes and lengths, so I don't think there's an option.

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velocipedestrian
+2 BadNudes bushtrucker

Maybe a TRP lever instead?

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BadNudes
+2 Velocipedestrian bushtrucker

I'm curious about a TRagura setup, and seems weird there doesn't seem to be much info/many anecdotes out there. It seems like you could get a nice (non-servo wonk) lever to fill the missing middle between low end Shimano levers and the XTR Race levers.

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cyclotoine
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I've been running MT5s that came stock on my Privateer 141 for a year and a half now and I have no complaints. Everyone poos poos the Magura lever because they are plastic but I have had zero issues and only had to bleed them once when I first got the bike. They have more than enough power on long descents but I'm not riding bike parks other than our ~300m little local ski hill bike park. I'm going to bleed them before riding season here in the real great white north, just because time, but they are great. My last few bikes have had code Rs (which I have no complaints about) and I was a shimano guy before they went to 4 digit part codes. 

The 141 has most of the features of the SMASH, it's an alloy horst link with cut-outs to punch bearings. Has a 140mm rear travel and is happy with a 160mm forks. It's heavy AF but it's a great bike and I'm very happy with it. I was in the Market for a GG in 2018 when my bike got stolen but I ended up with an alloy sentinel because it was available immediately and I liked that bike also, a lot, it changed me as a rider but I wanted a still steeper seat tube and long chainstays so moved on...

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AndrewMajor
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I love the Magura levers. I like that there are blade shape options, I’ve yet to break one, easy to bleed, etc.

But, nerds will nerd. And also, I have worn out a couple lever/master assemblies now (not rebuildable / didn’t owe me anything) where the calipers seem to last forever (I still use a first batch MT7 caliper I bought used).

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The 141 looks awesome!

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dbozman
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I, too, had an early alloy Smash with alignment issues and some truly weird suspension kinematics. The rear brake mount was welded crooked. Was able to make it work with spacers. Ultimately, the kinematic drive me away. No amount of sag, air or coil, could make the suspension feel right for me. To their credit, GG did everything they could to help. The bike just didn’t work for me.

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