WTB Deva Angle of Attack
One Man's Preferred Perch - the WTB Deva

This Man Loves a Women's Saddle

Words Andrew Major
Photos Andrew Major
Date Mar 10, 2017

Well, we drank whiskey and rode all night,
Behind Niterider helmet lights,
We took a break and sat down by a tree,
He said, "dude won't you try this seat? You'll see!"
Well, I'm not the world's most particular guy,
But when I gave it a try,
Well I had to go buy a Deva,
De de de de Deva, de de de de Deva

(With apologies to The Kinks)

Deva-iation


"So incredibly comfortable that even the manliest men are able to look past the women’s-specific label." - WTB

Years ago, in one of the bike shops I worked for, I knew three riders who absolutely swore by the WTB Deva saddle. A women's-specific designed perch intended "to suit the female form, without the presence of flowers or pink butterflies."

One of them was a ripping female rider. Two of them were men. One of whom used to sharpie out the logo - which in those days was more prominent than it is now. 

WTB Deva Saddle

Aside from the name there is nothing about the WTB Deva that even whispers "girl's saddle".

The basic platform has remained the same. A thin but comfortable and supportive layer of padding which is exactly where it needs to be; a stub nose that makes setting fore-aft tilt a more involved process than most other saddles; and, a pair of Ti rails as well as some flex engineered into the base which combine to provide a little extra comfort in the days of ultra-stiff frames with inflexible dropper posts. 

I like the look of the geometric finish on the micro-fiber cover as well. 

WTB Deva meets Kona Honzo

I'm riding the WTB Deva on a hardtail and also the Marin Hawk Hill for two very different experiences.

Perineal Favourites

I will lay my comfort credentials on the table. My go to saddle, my perennial perineal favourite, is the Chromag Moon.

I now find that comfortable dig-deep traction position on the nose of the saddle is rendered obsolete by the steep seat tube angles of the modern mountain bike position. Otherwise, the cradle between the tail and 'bump' is a perfectly powerful and pleasant pedaling position.

The Chromag Moon is my Perineal Favourite

The Chromag Moon is my perennial perineal favourite. Minus the nose extension the Deva can be setup to have the same perfect pedaling platform.

I've also been very happy with Specialized's Romin (143mm) and Fizik's Gobi XM. I've ridden a ton of different saddles, like the Volt and Fabric Scoop, that were good. But not 'open my wallet' great. In other words, I generally prefer a pedestal on the narrow end of the spectrum.

The Deva is more forgiving than the Moon but not so soft to transmit weirdly wallowing waterbed sensations. It's firm yet sensitive. Like a modern dad. That forgiveness is comparing two saddles with Ti rails so it is coming from some combination of WTB's 'DNA' padding, flex engineered into the base, or the variations in shape. 

The Deva Difference

By the numbers the Deva is not significantly different than the WTB Volt. It's a good comparison as the Volt is a commonly spec'd OE saddle. The numbers are so similar, and the fit so different, what makes the Deva special is definitely the shape. 

For the record, the Deva has a 142mm width where I've ridden the Volt in both 135mm and 142mm. I definitely prefer the 142mm Volt. The Deva is a short saddle at 257mm but the Volt isn't very long in its own right at 265mm. The Volt also has an angled nose which is unused real estate except for the steepest climbs. 

WTB Deva Setup

WTB Deva Angle of Attack

I raise the nose of the Deva until I'm cradled in a comfortable pedaling pocket similar to my Moon.


The Deva is a very short saddle. I'd guess the shortest I've ever ridden on a mountain bike. But in subtracting the nose perch from the Moon, the area I sit in is actually very similar in size and feel. As I mentioned, with the steep seat angles on most bikes positioning me right over the pedals I don't miss the additional on-the-rivet position riding current machines.

I tilt the nose up so that it is slightly higher than level with the tail. With a zero set back post I run the saddle almost as far rearward as possible on its rails.

Group Rides

I don't want to make it sound like the Deva is a man's saddle neatly packaged as a women's specific product. I know a lot of women who ride it and say good things about it. I know of four men who think it's totally awesome. That total includes my friend Brad and I.

I think, as Anna coined in her MSB comment, it comes down to huge variations in preference and physiology and really it's a conversation about human-specific design. Saddles are the most personal component on a bike and from timeless Brooks to crazy Tioga Spyders it behooves riders to figure out what works best for them.


"YES! I love women's saddles too!" - My friend Brad on noticing my WTB Deva saddle.
WTB Deva In Use

This Ti-railed WTB Deva Team is staying put. I love this seat... And also big steaks, strong beer, chopping wood, wrestling bears and other manly things.


It is crazy how many male riders have jumped on my bike for a ride around the parking lot and come back either with no feedback about the saddle or very positive comments.

The WTB Deva is definitely worth checking out for any riders who love the Moon and have steep seat angles. It is also a great option for men or women who haven't found other saddles that work for them. Dudes, if you can't get conformable on your bike, give it a try.

It's on the very short list of - the two - saddles I'll happily buy for myself.

You can grab the Deva Team model, with Ti Rails, tested here for $130 (USD). WTB Deva saddles start at $60 (USD). 

Comments

wncmotard
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WNCmotard  - March 9, 2017, 11:38 p.m.

Tried the Moon years ago and hated it. But I love my WTB pure V saddles.

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AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - March 10, 2017, 7:42 a.m.

My brother swears by the Pure-V. Only saddle he's bought since one came on his Gen-1/Year-2 Nomad ten or so years ago.

Not a seat I like - as Andy says, that's how saddles go. Have you tried the Chromag Trailmaster? I know a few people who own/like the Pure and the Trailmaster LtD even though they look quite different.

Like the Deva I think the setup of the Moon is a little counter initiative if sitting on it to pedal (nose needs to be slightly the high point) but that's definitely not saying they're for everyone.

Cheers,

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andy-eunson
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Andy Eunson  - March 10, 2017, 7:04 a.m.

Oddly enough, my wife loves the men's Devo on her bikes. I can't sit on many WTB saddles myself. Way Too Boxy. That's how saddles go though. Very personal fit.

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AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - March 10, 2017, 7:43 a.m.

Whatcha sittin' on?

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andy-eunson
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Andy Eunson  - March 10, 2017, 12:52 p.m.

Specialized Henge 143 on my Bronson and a Power 143 on the cross bike. I like the Moon as well. The Power has what looks and feels like the same shape as the Henge but with a tender bits hole and really short nose.

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Wanderlust
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Wanderlust  - March 10, 2017, 7:48 a.m.

If you really want to take care of your man parts, try SMP Hell saddle. However it does takes a lot of trial and error getting the it setup perfect. But then you are in for some serious comfort.

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Wanderlust
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Wanderlust  - March 10, 2017, 7:50 a.m.

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AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - March 10, 2017, 7:59 a.m.

You don't find the SMP is a short hooker on steep trails?

You can't work in bikes as long as I have and not come in contact with Selle SMP. The majority of people (myself included) I know who've tried them wouldn't agree with you. And that's generally road use. 

BUT, the people who love them F'ing love them Billy Graham Televangelist style. Glad you found your perfect perch!

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Wanderlust
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Wanderlust  - March 11, 2017, 6:05 a.m.

I thought it might be too.

But unless your shorts are sagging gangster style no shorts hooking so far.

Especially with a dropper to get the saddle out of the way. The bent nose is awesome for a  climbing perch.

craw
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Cr4w  - March 10, 2017, 2:34 p.m.

Is it a womens' saddle, or is it woman's? My grammar is failing me.

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AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - March 10, 2017, 2:41 p.m.

Women is already plural so it's a Women's saddle. As in a saddle for women as opposed to a saddle for a singular woman.

Except this saddle is for a particular man - me - but not for men in general (or is it). 

It's an Andrew's specific saddle... but not an Andrews' specific saddle because as Andy noted he finds it too boxy.

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switch900
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Andrew Hewitson  - March 10, 2017, 8:20 p.m.

This is a few years old but I can attest that it was a very comfy seat which is unfortunately not compatible with high speed impact with man parts.  I don't have kids in  case you wondered. 

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switch900
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Andrew Hewitson  - March 10, 2017, 8:23 p.m.

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fl3tch
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Fl3tch  - March 11, 2017, 12:55 p.m.

Before any saddle purchase do this little at-home cardboard test from sqlab (video at bottom) to save time testing saddles randomly.

https://sqlab-usa.com/pages/free-sqlab-ft-kit  

You probably can apply the same logic (size fitting) to other seat brands I speculate.  If your sit bones are 125mm apart the chromag moon (@135mm) will not be comfortable on an AM/Enduro ride and maybe not even the 140 deva depending on how you ride. 

I got the 150mm sqlab 611 titube and it is gooch-tastic.

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jonas-dodd
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Jonas Dodd  - March 12, 2017, 10:15 p.m.

Somewhat unrelated but perhaps useful from a historical perspective:

When I worked in bike shops in Vancouver in the 90s I recall that a common nickname for the bike cellar (RIP) was the seat smeller.

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jonas-dodd
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Jonas Dodd  - March 12, 2017, 10:28 p.m.

I have a Chromag Moon saddle and love it. Sadly, it appears they're no longer listed on the Chromag website, unless the name has been changed to Mood?

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AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - March 12, 2017, 10:32 p.m.

Looks identical to me. 

http://www.chromagbikes.com/saddles/mood-dt

https://www.shore-lines.co.uk/image/cache/data/products/Saddles/moon-dt-greyred-1180x600.jpg

Weird to see it change after all those years (I hadn't even noticed).

shoreboy
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Shoreboy  - March 13, 2017, 8:16 a.m.

Its the same model with a different name.  I asked the guys at Chromag about it last time I was up at their shop in Whistler.  Turns out someone else has a saddle called 'Moon' so they decided to make things easier by changing theirs to 'Mood'

http://www.moonsaddle.com/

AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - March 12, 2017, 10:36 p.m.

Years and years ago I worked with a mechanic for a few months that was a seat sniffer. It was... different. But to each their fetish right?! 

He absolutely avoided Triathlon saddles though...

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Endur-Bro
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Endur-Bro  - March 18, 2017, 5:06 p.m.

I run the WTB Deva on two bikes.  The Moon DT is on my DH bike.  Wish Chromag still had the Ti version.  I like the longer nose on Moon for more cycling english.  

Trying to figure out a new saddle for the up, across, and down bike.  Need to find a saddle that's like the Deva, just with the longer nose of the Moon DT. Didn't get along with the Lynx, nose was too soft.  Ergon?

Any suggestions of saddles to look at?

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AndrewMajor
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Andrew Major  - March 18, 2017, 5:15 p.m.

I don't have a third option. I also wish the Moon (Mood) still had a Ti rail option. ACTUALLY... I wish that Chromag made a Mood LTD with the solid Ti rails and oiled leather cover of the Trailmaster LTD. The Trailmaster doesn't fit my ass as well but otherwise it's an amazing piece of kit. 

I also fit the Fixik Gobi as a longer option but I'd choose the Deva any day length aside. Sorry; that's not really helpful.

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Endur-Bro
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Endur-Bro  - March 19, 2017, 10:41 a.m.

We shall petition for a Mood LTD then, no?  

I have a Fizik ass-hatchet on my road bike...  I may look at the Bontrager Evoke and Kovee saddles.

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