First Impressions Review
How to Carry Things on Your Bike, with the Globe Haul LT
Let's dive straight in.
- Average Cost per Month of Car Ownership: CA$1387*
- One mile on a bike is a $.42 economic gain to society, one mile driving is a $.20 loss
- Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of accidental death for men and women under 45
- Cars sit unused roughly 95% of the time
- Cars and vans accounted for 48% of global transport carbon dioxide emissions
While those stats are from a variety of sources and locations and there's some nuance based on geography, the overall picture isn't drastically different no matter where you are.
Brass tacks - cars are an expensive, inefficient method of moving people and goods that do immense damage to people and the planet. If any of the above is surprising, it's because most of us are hard-pressed to imagine life without cars, and personal vehicle ownership.
As a society, we've normalized and now effectively ignore the enormous cost of vehicle ownership. Many of our weekly journeys unequivocally don't require a car. This mode is often both slower and more expensive than alternatives, but we're accustomed to just ignoring it.
*Please remember how statistics work. Your personal situation may differ drastically, but they're representative of averages across a population. I've included sources for each stat, but if you dive down the rabbit hole you'll find there's variation, which is pretty normal for most science and statistics like this.
I've been trying to gently cajole readers into trying to ride to their ride - however rarely - instead of driving for years now. It's good for the planet, it's good for your health, and it's just... nice. There's an adaptation period, but once you start showing up to the group ride or bottom of the climb warmed up, you'll be hard pressed to go back, especially once you coast past traffic on the way home.
Now I'm going to convince you to try riding for transportation, not recreation. I seeded this idea recently and laid an Easter egg for this piece. But really the roots here go back farther and it's been a long term project, based on my personal experiences, and one-car family life that so many folks seem to think won't work for them.
The goal here isn't to preach, and I'm not here to shame folks for driving - after all, I do it too. And maybe ditching a personal vehicle isn't in your future. But hopefully, through a series of pieces we can work together to unpack the real costs of driving that we've deeply normalized and engrained through policy in our society, compare that with the costs of riding (even infrequently), and if anyone reading this starts occasionally riding in fair weather on trips they'd normally drive, I'm declaring this a success.
The current tool for this exercise in "convincing you that even expensive bikes are way, way cheaper than cars" is the Globe Haul LT. Globe, which is owned by Specialized, is a quirky, fun, smiley-faced brand built to make something historically un-cool, cool. Globe bikes go to non-endemic media like Wired magazine for review, not Pinkbike. They're bikes for non-bike people, for people wanting to cart their things around an urban environment. They're a tool, an appliance, but Globe wants them to be a cool appliance, not a regular appliance. They're built with cutesy city features like 20" wheels to maximize maneuverability, a one-size-fits-all adjustable approach across the two different models, aptly named the ST and LT; that's Short Tail and Long Tail. Everything is identical across the two, save the extra rear center on the LT giving it additional room for things, be it groceries, kids, or dining room chairs.
There's a whole catalog of accessories, to carry whatever you like. Globe wants to be your one-stop-shop for all your cargo biking needs.
Basic Specs and Highlights from Globe
- Designed to tackle the biggest errands you can dream up with a 31 inch long, MIK-compatible rear rack and tons of additional accessory mounts along the frame and fork.
- The extra-wide center stand helps make loading and unloading your cargo, up to 441 lbs of it (rider included), safe and easy.
- LT rear racks have been updated to 176 lbs (80kg) max weight capacity - even those labeled ‘60kg’ – so get Haulin’.
- The full-coverage fenders and rear wheel covers help keep you and your bike clean and debris out of your spokes.
- 500W rear hub motor delivers enough power to get you and all your gear up steep hills and all the way across town at up to 32 km/h. The 772wh battery provides up to 100 km of range.
- Unique, single-size frame fits riders from around 4’5” all the way up to 6’4”. The telescoping seatpost has over 13 inches of adjustability, and the quill stem can extend almost 6 inches. It provides a comfortable ride for almost everyone measured in our giant Retül database.
- 20” diameter wheels help keep weight low to the ground for improved stability. The extra wide 3.5” Carless Whisper tires provide comfort and traction on any terrain and feature a 3-ply casing for superior flat protection.
- A lifetime warranty on the frame, and 2 year e-system warranty will keep your bases covered. With the Specialized network of service centers and superior customer service, you’re never on your own.
There's an aluminum frame, with some beefy four-pot Tektros clamping 200mm rotors, and pedal power runs through a Microshift 9-speed derailleur and cassette. The LT is a whopping 88lbs before you add any accessories.
So what are we doing here, with the Globe? Let's step back behind the curtain a bit. Reviews can happen in a few ways. Often, brands and PR agencies reach out to NSMB to see if we have any one who'd be keen to test whatever new gizmo, gadget, or ride-on contrivance they're selling. This then lands on the doorstep of whatever reviewer in our stable is best suited to the task. Every year or so, Cam and Pete ask if I'm interested in reviewing e-bikes; my answer has always been no. I have basically zero interest in electric mountain bikes. But while I lack interest in electric mountain bikes, I do have significant interest in cargo bikes, increasing active transportation and mobility, and trying to minimize and mitigate the very real effects of human induced climate change.
But more and more I find conventional reviews a bit boring. I now spend inordinate amounts of time conceiving complicated projects, which I then spend more time pitching The NSMB Powers that Be (Cam and Pete) on how great my latest hare-brained idea is, the things I'll need for said idea, and why it matters. Often I'm pitching things outside the realm of what NSMB would normally cover - be it dirtjumpers, the first NSMB gravel bike, bikepacking adventures, or editorials on classic events, and all of them ultimately mean more work for The Powers that Be.
Consider this a first look, a brief introduction to this project. The plan is to document the costs of operation over about a year with some periodic updates and a full breakdown at the end. We can compare and contrast with other modes of transportation, and while I want to discuss CO2 footprints and emissions, the goal here is to make an economic argument more than anything else.
There's 1150 kilometers on the Globe so far and while this is a ton for a normal NSMB review bike, it's hardly scratching the surface for what a car-replacement like the Globe Haul needs to endure. But it's more than enough for me to have some initial riding impressions, and even though the Haul LT is a lifestyle accessory not a high-end luxury good, those are important to people like you and me that care about bikes.
It doesn't feel like any other bike I've ridden. With its high weight, small wheels, and very low center of gravity the Globe is a bit of a riot. The enormous 20" Carless Whisper tires do a decent job of soaking up bumps and providing traction, although they are prone to that fatbike-esque self-steer feeling if you're running pressure that's a bit too low. I also dread the day this bike gets a rear flat - removing the rear wheel for a tube replacement will be nigh on impossible in the field.
The brakes are good - despite sub-par experiences on older Tektros, I've been happy with the power (which you need a lot of when the Haul is fully loaded) and lever feel isn't terrible. The Microshift drivetrain doesn't shift spectacularly, however I'm reasonably confident this is a function of the very long cable and subsequent routing over the actual drivetrain quality. It's a heavy bike - beware those who live anywhere with stairs.
For accessories, I went with the all-important "School Bus Kit", which includes a seat, running boards, rails, a couple of panniers and racks, and a front basket. I've also got a couple of spare MIK adapters to play with, rear cargo bags, and some other odds and ends to mix in. We'll talk more about it as the year goes on, but you can carry a LOT of stuff on this bike, and the modularity and adaptability of how the racks work has my brain working overtime to get creative.
It's taken a little while to get used to the hub motor - our previous Kona Electric Ute had a mid-drive motor. While I'm a bit of an e-luddite, and don't have a broad range of experience, the torque-sensing motor has reasonably smooth power delivery that provides a facsimile of the cycling experience whereby pedaling softer or harder means you go slower or faster in a way that make sense to your brain. The Globe flies up modest grades - which are plentiful around the North Shore, however when fully loaded on the steepest hills (15-20%) the motor will struggle. I've never stopped (or come particularly close), but it's not an effort-free experience. Battery life has been good, especially considering I pedal everywhere in the highest assist mode.
There were also some initial electrical gremlins to chase down, a bit of internet sleuthing indicates these are somewhat common - cutting out under high-load/low-RPM being the most notable. Think starting on a hill at a stoplight. This was a quick fix at the Specialized dealer under warranty, with a couple parts replaced, some connections cleaned, and a shim added in the battery case. The bike has been trouble-free for several hundred more kilometers, which aligns with the experiences of those other folks on the internet.
It's notable how a significant percentage of the 1150 kilometers haven't had me onboard. The Globe is often stolen by my significant other, which is perhaps as much of an endorsement of how fit-for-purpose the bike is. She's not "a cyclist", but has taken to commuting on the Globe, running errands, and carting our four year old around.
Speaking of, I asked that four year old if there's anything he'd want people to know about the Globe Haul LT, and what his favorite parts are. After some consideration, I've been informed "the lights" and "the bars around the back" where he sits are top of the list. It's also "pretty fun", and he'd rather go to daycare on the Globe than in the enclosed trailer - even in the rain. And he's right - the lights are good with 1500 lumens up front, and the bars give everyone some comfort he's not going to fall off.
So far the Globe Haul LT gets a thumbs up from all of us, and I'm looking forward to ripping around on this quirky little big bike for a while here. Oh, and I guess one final important note. The Haul LT rings in at 4,300 CAD. For the rails, racks, panniers, bags, adapters, running boards, and all the other accoutrements you'll see in this project, you're looking at another ~CA$1,500. I know what you're thinking, and you're not wrong: that's a big number. But wait till you see what cars cost.
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g-42
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Ebikes for commuting/transportation are an awesome life hack. My kids are grown, so I decided against the full-on cargo bike - turns out, grocery shopping with two panniers and a front basket is perfectly doable. No parking issues even in places like Bellingham's notoriously crowded Trader Joe's, staying off busy roads and away from the road ragers, picking routes with good views. Because of the assist, you can wear all the gear you want to keep you comfy and dry in PNW winters without turning up at the office a sweaty mess.
I'm putting about 1,500 miles a year on my commuter ebike. Hasn't turned us into a one car family for other reasons, but it's certainly reduced the amount of driving we do, and increased our quality of life.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Wearing enough clothes to stay warm on an ebike is the real trick. I regularly freeze on this thing - the combination of high speed and low heart rate gets me every time.
"it's certainly reduced the amount of driving we do, and increased our quality of life."
Hell yeah. I love this.
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BarryW
2 weeks, 3 days ago
This is the E content I'm here for.
Looking forward to the longer term review.
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Now this is what I'm talking about, this is where I feel the push should be for electric motors on bikes, reduce the amount of vehicular road traffic and all the emissions etc. Although I still think the prices for these seem quite high and trying to negate that by comparing to a motor vehicle is not a fair/disingenuous.
I've been commuting exclusively on my '08 Monkey since I retired it from all around duty in 2018, before that it was commuter and trail bike with the swap of wheels. I've had the thought of buying a hub motor and building a motored rear wheel for it (but honestly have no clue what's a good from bad one), for when I want to do long trips to get dog food etc - long as in 28-35 miles round trip, 2 x 40lb+ dog chow bags. What I'd really like is to find that bolt on below the BB motor I saw in a video once, that can be easily and quickly removed when not needed/wanted.
Also have had, for the longest time, the idea of building myself a sit/lie down and covered trike with the 2 wheels in the rear to maybe get a bit more of a motor vehicle size/feel and maybe bit more respect on the road and not close passed so regularly.
Will be interesting to read the overall yearly cost to run one of these - don't forget to include the cost of electricity to charge them and all the other small incidentals.
My big problem with E anything still though is the batteries and how absolutely toxic and bad for the environment and people who mine the minerals needed to make them. Also the long term or lack thereof of support for these and right now seeing ones that are a couple years old become e-waste because there's no longer support for them and/or how quickly the batteries "die" and are not recycled.
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Jotegir
2 weeks, 3 days ago
"Although I still think the prices for these seem quite high and trying to negate that by comparing to a motor vehicle is not a fair/disingenuous."
OK this is funny. You got me.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
"Although I still think the prices for these seem quite high and trying to negate that by comparing to a motor vehicle is not a fair/disingenuous."
Why? They are - by your own admission - motor vehicles. They're designed to take the place of a car, transporting people and goods. Why can we not compare the price to cars?
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 2 days ago
I think a fairer/more accurate comparison that would relate is compared to similarly spec'd bikes, at least to me since I've not got a clue about what vehicles cost since haven't owned one in 8 years and I find for the parts on these (generally lower end), it seems that you're getting charged some "special tax" or something just for the market/type of bike they are.
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Hailey Elise
2 weeks, 3 days ago
I love the photo of you and all your rigs Cooper!
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Ha, thanks Hailey!
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Abies
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Loving this content. When I lived in a city I did most errands on my touring/gravel bike with a big front handlebar bag and low rider panniers. Worked fine for a single person. If we move back to a town we'll definitely get an e-bike that can also fit my partner, but I think standard sized would still work ok. I do really like the look of these short wheelbase Omnium cargo bikes if I decided I didn't need the motor: https://omniumcargo.us/
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Yeah, if I'm solo, a lot of it happens on my gravel bike with Tailfin panniers and a backpack.
Have you seen this? https://bikepacking.com/bikes/allan-shaw-silk-road-mountain-race-omnium-cargo/
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Years ago a dude walked into my shop on a cargo bike he just pedaled across Canada. I was impressed with his fitness. I then lifted the bike up to check the rohloff hub, it was 35lbs! Full carbon front loader cargo bike. I was floored. Still impressed with his fitness though. I can't remember the brand.
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finbarr
2 weeks, 3 days ago
I have a dumb question. Isn't your gravel bike pretty expensive? (Assuming it's the one you've posted about before.) Do you worry about it getting stolen while running errands? I thought Vancouver was bike theft central.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
It is expensive. And I don't leave it anywhere in Vancouver out of sight and locked, really.
But, I live across the bridge in North Vancouver, which is... less theft prone. Certainly not immune to bike theft, but with reasonable precautions (decent lock, lock it smart places, etc), I'm comfortable enough for a lot of errands. I do have to think about what end-of-trip amenities look like on the far end, but it's usually ok around here.
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finbarr
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Ok, thanks. I have a similarly expensive gravel bike, and I've been debating using it to run errands here in Edmonton. This is helpful.
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Honestly, if it were me I'd be looking to pick up an old rigid 29er, like the OG Karate Monkey, Unit, GF and build it up for that sort of thing, wouldn't risk riding my expensive carbon bike around to run errands and maybe get nicked or maybe damaged while parked etc.
Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah, it strongly depends on where you are, what you're doing, and what your risk tolerance is (low.... you want the last bit to be low). And of course the security level of you lock situation.
Just gotta use your head. In a truly N+1 world I'd have some fun old cruiser for beer runs and whatnot, but I haven't bothered.
Squint
2 weeks, 2 days ago
It is situational. I have a decent lock and am comfortable locking up outside an MEC for example, where there's lots of foot traffic and someone trying to get through the lock will be conspicuous. Some places you can just wheel inside (bike shops are great for this), or in summer months there may be a bike valet nearby. Locking skewers or through-axles are nice if you can get them.
I find the removable bits like lights or panniers to be more of an issue, I end up carrying it all around with me which can be a bummer. I like the hard-mounted buckets of this bike, that seems like a good solution.
Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah my lights are hard-mounted (front) and cheap (rear). I'm also not parking places I'm too worried about losing wheels, although its a non-zero risk. If possible, I'll lock the rear wheel along with the frame, but that's dependent on what I can lock to. And, yeah. Never underestimate the places that will actually let you bring a nice bike in. eg, my barber is in Gastown where my bike would _immediately _disappear, but they don't care if I bring it in.
Computers etc do generally get pulled off at stops. It's in the previous "how to carry things" piece, but a removable bar-bag like the Rapha might be convenient for you. Just chuck the odd 'n ends in it, and the bag just pops off to come with you. It's designed to be worn as a crossbody bag, should you feel inclined and cool enough.
Todd Hellinga
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Our family picked up a Momentum (Giant) Pakyak E+ in June (also zero interest in recreational mtb ebikes) and absolutely love it too. We aren't quite as regular users as you, Cooper, but it is really interesting how liberating it feels to use it for errands and bopping about town instead of using the vehicles and not having to deal with traffic, parking lots, getting the kid in and out of the carseat. Being able to just roll out garage and post up outside of destination is really great. In a place like Squamish, it can almost be a wash even to go from Garibaldi Estates to downtown on ecargo vs driving and parking.
I think you're right on though, for most of people day to day there are lots of opportunities to replace personal vehicle usage with bikes, olde fashioned or e. Congestion and parking issues are the biggest thing you sidestep, and I'd like to think as more people come to that realization there will be more adoption of it. There's been a huge increase here in families using them over the past 2-3 years, and regularly a line of them cruising past stopped traffic in the bike lane on the way to drop jr. off at school!
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 1 day ago
The convenience and time-saving aspect of parking steps from the front door of wherever you're going cannot be overstated in the urban environment.
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Cr4w
2 weeks, 3 days ago
*none of the stats listed in this article apply to Toyota Tacomas.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Correct. They're much worse for trucks!
(although many of these statistics include trucks, obviously. But trucks are - on average - more expensive, worse for the environment, and more dangerous to the people around them.)
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Cr4w
2 weeks, 3 days ago
You misunderstand me. Tacomas are not subject to negative press of any kind. The perfect vehicle for the most mundane duties, especially when lifted.
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g-42
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Needs more snorkel...
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Mike Ferrentino
2 weeks, 3 days ago
And 35" tires, minimum. Preferably without regearing....
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turbulent-paint-68
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Trucks, at least light duty, should all be subject to the same emissions standards as cars and small vans. It's too funny the number of tacos, f150 and ram that only ever need 4x4 to get out of an unshoveled driveway only to drive on smooth roads to the grocery store and the office every day.
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Cr4w
2 weeks, 3 days ago
I love this idea but my personal situation has two major hurdles to overcome:
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Any bike is a cargo bike if you have a big enough backpack. The storage for Cargo bikes is a real problem. The Tern I am reviewing is a mile long and weighs more than all my other bikes combined. It seems like it was built for people with a garage or an underground parking space. I managed to carve a spot in our shed but the in and out is a hassle. At my other day job, we sell quite a few Trek Allants per week. It is by far one of the best values for E City bikes. They make them in large enough sizes for bigger people and the Bosch CX motor is perfect. Add some big Ortlieb Panniers and you will be laughing your way to the grocery store daily. If you are not carrying a child, it's the perfect bike.
This Haul looks like a great option for people who need to carry a little human to places. So does the Benno Boost and RemiDemi..
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
The humble backpack is next on the list for this series. Stop stealing my thunder.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Backpack wars! Man, do I have one for this battle!
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Interested to hear your stories, but since no one's shared yet, I'll start the bidding....1 propane 25lb LPG gas bottle in normal hiking backpack 5-6 mile round trip. Going to get the new one it's only the empty bottle, so weighs about 35lbs, but trip home total weight of bottle with liquid gas and pack is about 60lbs.
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Rich Collumbine
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Thanks for the comparison, Deniz. Would you recommend the Tern Orox for tall people (6'4") who need to carry 1-2 small humans? From my computer, I like the proportions of the Orox with its larger 27.5" wheels and 6'5" max height. The Benno bikes and Globe appear disproportional (small tires/frame and long seatpost) for tall people and have an upper height limit at 6'2"/6'3".
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Cr4w
2 weeks, 3 days ago
It says the L Tern Orox will do up to 195cm but I'd really need to see it in person to confirm that.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Mine is a Small/Medium and it's big. I imegine the Large/XL is huge. If you are local, let me know if you'd like to try mine.
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Cr4w
2 weeks, 3 days ago
I hear that a lot before I make it look like a kid's bike.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 3 days ago
You can always sit on the rear rack and pedal from there!
Mark
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Rich Collumbine
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Thanks for the offer, but I'm based in Canmore, AB. I'm eagerly awaiting your long term review of the Orox :)
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Todd Hellinga
2 weeks, 1 day ago
we picked up a Pakyak early summer, 26" wheels, but also a 6'3" ish upper range. we love the 5 speed internal gear hub and single ring/cassette setup for simplicity. it's awesome being able to shift into easier gear while stopped at a light or whatever!
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Sven
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Any bike is a cargo bike with pannier bags. Even a carbon gravel bike can have panniers added (or so I hear from friend), although you'll be shunned in the LSCR.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
The first part in this series was about frame bags. :)
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Timer
2 weeks, 2 days ago
There is a surprising number of very small cargo bikes which all aim to address the storage issue.
Have a look at the pictures in this article (and/or circumvent the language barrier with software): https://www.nimms-rad.de/news/kompakte-e-lastenraeder-2024/
Edit: Don't overlook the titanium frame option.
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Merwinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
FWIW, I usually commute in Winter on a older Norco 700c wheeled VLT e-commuter with a rear rack and an armageddon pack on my back. Not a cargo bike, but it works to get most things down Mtn Hwy and back up.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Storage is a big issue, for sure. And that applies on all ends of a trip - multi-family complexes generally aren't equipped for cargo bikes, and I'd also bet you're not allowed to leave a cargo bike in a parking stall if you wanted to. Those spaces are restricted to personal _car _storage only, which is pretty nuts when you start thinking about it.
You're not wrong about height, but also fit doesn't.... really matter on these things, if you've got one with a motor. If the seat is within a couple inches of tall enough, I call it good and head out (I really should put some markings on the seatpost, but I haven't bothered.
And yeah, just a backpack +/- a couple panniers is a great way to start. You'll be surprised how many trips you take don't require more storage space than that.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Personal Nightmare : Getting Stranded far from or near home with the Tern and needing a flat deck to haul it home.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
BCAA has you covered.
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Deniz Merdano
2 weeks, 3 days ago
*Renews BCAA membership, but forgets to include the bike add on...
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Speeder1
2 weeks, 3 days ago
Too many cars and 2 commuter ebike family here. The commuters are a freakin blast. We have a Kona Minute with a Luna Cycles BBSHD kit on it and a RadCity 5. 4 drivers in the family. Expensive to have so many cars for sure and requires constant upkeep. They're mostly older stuff. Meanwhile the bikes keep going with next to nothing and a few thousand miles on each one. The Luna Cycle kit is a riot. It is insanely fast (and potentially dangeorus) compared to stuff from a shop with pedal assist. We outfitted the rear rack with foot pegs, a handlebar attached to the seatpost, and a pad on the rack so our youngest could ride back there. She has gotten a bit big though now and we'll probably just switch to panniers. I don't own and e mtb yet. I've ridden lots and I'll surely own one someday. For now my e fix is satisfied by round town cruises on one of our commuters. They make running errands fun and relaxing.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
"They make running errands fun and relaxing."
This is the part I'll be unable to quantify in a meaningful way. Although it has been studied with real science - car commuting makes people miserable.
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Skooks
2 weeks, 2 days ago
I don't use my e-commuter every day, and the days that I drive into work feel decidedly suckier than when I am on my bike. I don't know how to quantify suckiness, but time-wise the e-bike commute takes anywhere from +40% to -40% longer than by car.
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Last proper commute I did into town, a 14 mile one way trip during traffic time, I was being passed by cars for the first about 8 miles, then the traffic started and then I started just passing all the ones that had passed me back and never saw them again, enjoyed not being sat there stuck in traffic like they were.
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Mark
2 weeks, 1 day ago
That can be a rather satisfying part of commuting.
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 1 day ago
You don't say :-D I always just lightly ding my bell as I pass too, just a polite "excuse while I pass you back and won't probably see you again" LOL
Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 1 day ago
The nice part about riding for your commute is it takes basically the same amount of time, every time.
Whereas.... as you note... driving is a full dice-roll.
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Mark
2 weeks, 2 days ago
I love the idea of this article but have issues with the opening stats and making the comparison that riding even an expensive bike is "way, way cheaper than a car". I acknowledge that there is a ton of nuance here, including whether the commuter is replacing a vehicle altogether or only partially, but I think the comparison needs to be more realistic in terms of what type of car (if any) this sort of bike may be replacing, how often it's getting used and who is doing it.
If you look at only partially replacing the vehicle with a bike then the stats change somewhat in terms of fuel and parking, and maybe only a little bit in terms of maintenance and depreciation. If you replace the vehicle altogether then we're cooking and a lot of money can be saved. That's where I see the rub though. How many people are going to give up a car altogether in favour of a commuter bike unless they are fully bought into the idea of doing more for the environment and their fitness and are willing to give up a lot of convenience? There's also the storage and getting in/out of the home with something like this. Lastly, there's a time cost. The actual road time may be equivalent or faster by bike, but the prep time can double the overall commute. Add more time if it's raining.
That said it's a cool looking rig and I've been considering something like this for a while. I already commute by bike on avg 50% of the time and have in the past used a Chariot trailer to haul tools around when doing reno work. A proper electric cargo bike would make that a lot more feasible and be an option for trail building too. When you get creative it's impressive what you can haul by bike, and cargo bikes like the Globe just expand the possibilities.
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Sethimus
2 weeks, 2 days ago
I'd say its possible in most larger european cities and already done by most of its inhabitants. only a minority owns a car
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Yup, it sure is. This is how I used to get my tools to the trails, total weight including bike, tools and food/water were about 60lbs I think.
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Speeder1
2 weeks, 2 days ago
https://lunacycle.com/bafang-bbshd-1000w-middrive-kit/
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Thanks for the link Speeder1, but not what I was/am looking for. Saw it in a vid posted on PB, some guy used it to shuttle their way to the bike park and up to the top of the hill, then easily removed it from the bike and put it in his backpack. Battery stays in the pack as well.
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Skooks
2 weeks, 2 days ago
I built an e-commuter based on a similar kit. I use it to get to work and back (65km round-trip), and it works great. I have > 10.5 *thousand* km on it so far, and every one of these trips would have been done by car if I didn't have the e-bike.
Like Cooper, I have zero interest in a motorized mountain bike, but the e-commuter has definitely improved my life.
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah, that kit would probably work well for a dedicated e-commuter, but I don't want that, I enjoy just riding my Monkey for most of my commuting under my own power, would want the assist only when going long distances and/or hauling really heavy loads, so looking for a kit that I can easily put on and take off without much fuss.
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Timer
2 weeks, 2 days ago
The more realistic scenario (in NA) is that a household can replace one of two cars with a cargo bike.
Not owning a car also doesn't mean never using a car. Car sharing can be an easy and cheap way to access a car when you need one.
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Mark
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Unfortunately the car-sharing in metro Van is limited. And to Seth's point, it's important to recognize that most North American cities are young compared to European counterparts, so the cities have been designed and built differently. I'm not saying that commuter and cargo bikes can't work, but there are more barriers to mass adoption over here than in Europe.
At the end of the day, I think financial incentive is what's going to drive mass market adoption here, so increasing the taxes on fuel to help pay for improved transportation networks is ok in my books.
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Timer
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Fair point. But the lower density of NA cities also has some advantages. The copious amounts of "empty" space would allow for relatively easy installation of bike lanes. And the cargo bike storage issue mentioned elsewhere in the comments is a lot less pronouced in NA, if one were to make use of this space.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Turns out a century of car-centric zoning and infrastructure may have been a bad idea, and it's incredibly unpopular to un-do.
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SixZeroSixOne
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah,for instance, it's really annoying that DNV isn't part of the Evo zone
(Hmm, the forum has posted this reply in the wrong place...I was replying to Marks post
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SixZeroSixOne
2 weeks, 2 days ago
> > but there are more barriers to mass adoption over here than in Europe.
On the other hand, European cities often have higher density housing which, generally, means storage of unwieldy bikes is a problem whereas more North American homes are single family houses with ample garage space...
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Mark
2 weeks, 1 day ago
@6061 Only if you’re financially successful enough as a family to be able to afford a single family home is the storage factor less of an issue. That relates to what I said earlier in that people who have no financial need to ride a commuter bike are probably less likely to consider that option. Changing attitudes is a very weighty topic, especially when it concerns people’s comfort and convenience.
Lynx .
2 weeks, 1 day ago
Actually this time it got it right if you look carefully, if you wanted it to fall below the others, you would have had to reply to Coopers' last post, but yeah, how this setup moves posts instead of just letting them go in the order they were originally posted in is weird an annoying to me.
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Sethimus
2 weeks, 3 days ago
that display doesn't look like the electric system was designed in switzerland by the turbo/sl team. who is the maker of the motor and did they do custom work on the integration of the system? is there also an app to control the parameters?
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 3 days ago
No, it's a completely different motor/controller/etc than the Levos, etc. Yes, apparently it's custom tuned/integrated, though.
There's also a separate app for the Globe. I haven't used the Specialized one to compare, but you can't dive that deep into parameters.
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HMBA106
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Impressed that your family makes it work with only an off-road ready Frontier as your only car! All the more incentive to ride the eeb around town!
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
The truck rarely gets used during the week, its pretty much a recreational vehicle.
Once you get used to riding to work, you'll wonder how you did it any other way*.
*this obviously depends on your commute, somewhat. But you also might be surprised at how far you can go.
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Lynx .
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Also traffic and/or bike friendliness or having actual bike lanes and roads wide enough - on avg, our roads here are only about 14ft wide and no bike lanes and lots of people who think nothing of passing with 18".
When I finished college, I stayed to do work study and got a job in downtown Miami, commute was about 5 miles one way, but man was it sketchy with all those multi lane roads and cars that weren't oh so accommodating, this was in late 80s. Worst I got was seeing the underside of a Datsun 240Z on a wet day when some tool decided they weren't waiting for the traffic and pulled hard right to go to the H'way right in front of me, hit the brakes so hard and with all the oil the bike just started to slide, tried to steer around the car in front, but went down, thankfully I wore jeans to work and they saved my legs from serious road rash - Taught me to always ride defensively.
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HMBA106
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Yeah, I'm somebody who is lucky to be able to commute to both school and work in only 15min each way. We don't have any kiddos so it's less impressive but we are in the same boat. Vehicle is insured for "pleasure use" and only gets used on the weekends. Sadly our cities haven't been planned with cycle commuting in mind, though infrastructure is slowly improving out here in the FV. I have kept things fully meat-powered thus far but as you say, e bikes make this whole endeavour more accessible which is pretty exciting! Love this content Cooper, way more interesting and important than most other stuff on here.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
Thanks, I appreciate that. We'll hopefully cover infrastructure (or lack thereof) as its consistently listed as one of the main impediments for folks wanting to ride more.
Electric or Meat depends a lot of your commute (the FV is.... generally flatter than the Shore, and 15 min is fairly short), as well as fitness levels, tasks on the other end, etc. I like to keep it meat, too, but sometimes it's just not realistic.
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Squint
2 weeks, 2 days ago
This is really key, it's harder to start riding to work than it is to keep doing it. Once I had built up a good set of gear, had the bike set up like I wanted, found all the good routes, riding to work became vastly preferable to driving, in any weather.
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Cooper Quinn
2 weeks, 2 days ago
This is... so accurate. Most times when I do end up driving for some specific reason now, I end up hating and regretting it, haha.
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JohnC
1 week, 5 days ago
Another thoughtful article Cooper. The thing your graph doesn't include is the 'mental angst' component of driving a car in traffic and the inevitable road rage that seems to be increasing at an alarming rate. With the existing and growing network of bike routes around the lower mainland, I can't put a price on the mental health component of travelling by bike.....I have a route that includes West side to North Shore via 10th Ave to Lakewood to Adanac and then over to the shore on bike priority paths; people just seem a lot more calm, if not happier and the time to travel is really very comparable. The only real tough section is the climb up to Lynn Valley but I'm on a non-ebike gravel bike (which makes an awesome commuter/urban machine) and if I'm gassed, I can always through it on the front of the bus.
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Cooper Quinn
1 week, 4 days ago
Cheers, thanks.
I think I mentioned it in another comment, but the mental aspects of car commuting are reasonably well studied, and it's.... well it's bad for you.
Which way to you go up to Lynn Valley?
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[email protected]
3 days, 8 hours ago
We got a e-cargo bike now too! Curious how you mounted your dirt jumper on?
Looking to carry my 4yo, his pedal bike AND my dirt jumper and not sure how to bolt em all up together. Any ideas?
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