Teardown
Formula Selva C Fork
Previously I thought my teardown articles would be better if completed before spending any time on the product. The teardowns are an opportunity to see the guts of a product before riding it, providing a better understanding of how it works. At least that's what I thought…
This approach was intended for the Formula Selva C test fork but the world had other ideas. Covid restrictions here in B.C. once again locked us down hard when the fork showed up at Alba Distribution. But Alba co-founder, Ben Arnott wanted me to get going with some ride time on the fork and dropped it by at a social distance, forgoing the teardown until later.
As it turns out, my initial process for completing a teardown on a review product may have been short-sighted. The chance to get a few rides on the product and initial tests with the two supplied CTS compression cartridges was great. In half a dozen rides, I was able to form a solid idea of the fork’s performance and then bust it open to see why certain things may be happening, with the help of an expert who knows the product inside and out.
Unfortunately, I stumbled across an issue around the sixth ride that, combined with continued health and safety protocols and personal health challenges, prevented us from completing the teardown until recently. The seals used on this batch of the fork – late 2020 – weren’t the most durable and the cold, wet conditions of Coastal B.C. in January quickly brought them to failure.
During the teardown, Ben addressed this, changing the old seals for a set from SKF. Formula has since started using an updated seal of their own and I’m informed all has been smooth since. I’ll go into more detail in the final review but for now, let’s dig into these Italian beauties, see what makes them tick and how they differ from many available competitor options.
Formula's CTS cartridges provide a notable change in how the fork behaves during compressions when on the trail. It was interesting to see the internals and discuss the inner workings more with Ben during the teardown, helping me to see some of the parts that give the fork its interesting ride qualities.
External fine-tuning of each compression cartridge is controlled by an external adjuster with a range of 12 clicks. There is no separate high and low-speed compression tuning for the user and I'll share more on this in the review. But the difference of each cartridge so far has been pronounced, providing different ride qualities to each other. Initial impressions are very good with the fork remaining incredibly smooth and active throughout its stroke – it may be the most friction-free fork I've ridden to date.
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Wapti
3 years, 4 months ago
The World welcomes the return of Italian coil forks.
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AJ Barlas
3 years, 4 months ago
It would be great to see more coil forks available for those that prefer it. Thankfully, there are some good options for coil fans, even if they are few.
Though not Italian, I was recently informed that Öhlins will not be producing coil forks come MY22, which is sad as their coil sprung 36 is a beauty. Blame the supply chain bottlenecks.
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Wapti
3 years, 4 months ago
pity, i was looking forward to the coil 38 m.2
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AJ Barlas
3 years, 4 months ago
You and me both!
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Wapti
3 years, 4 months ago
I'm waiting for the future article explaining how to use a 36 spring to make your 38 coil.
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Wapti
3 years, 4 months ago
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Spooky817
3 years, 4 months ago
But why go 38 when you can can go dual crown instead? I only see advantages in an equal or lighter weight dual crown fork… it just makes so much sense!
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Endur-Bro
3 years, 4 months ago
Yeah no idea. DH38 can be had @180mm travel and 46mm offset. Many BOOST15 hubs can be converted to 20mm via end caps. Even then one should be able to swap the DH38 20mm lowers for the 38SC 15mm lowers.
Wapti
3 years, 4 months ago
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Jake Smith
3 years, 4 months ago
Like never again, or just until the supply chain settles down?
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ackshunW
3 years, 4 months ago
Haha ahah so true
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Endur-Bro
3 years, 4 months ago
Good to hear a Selva review is coming. I'm highly interested in the upcoming Selva MK2 single crown and dual crown models.
Selva 29 extended is available in 170mm now.
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AJ Barlas
3 years, 4 months ago
The Selva dual crown is certainly interesting. It’s great to see someone tackling the trail dual crown setup.
Thanks for the update on a 170mm Selva 29, too!
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Kyle Doherty
3 years, 4 months ago
So, for the keyed damper and air shafts, do you have to align them in a special way before inserting back into the lowers? I like the idea of not having to get the mallet out, but wonder how it goes in practice.
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AJ Barlas
3 years, 4 months ago
Not having put the lowers on myself I can only comment on what I saw, but Ben had the keyed portion lined up to slot in. It wouldn't go in if it were a quarter turn off, but it didn't seem difficult for Ben to get it aligned close to where it needed to be.
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LAT
3 years, 4 months ago
all you need to do is face the flat sections at the end of the shafts forward. it’s very simple in practice and emotionally easier than taking a hammer to your suspension fork.
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Nikita Morozov
3 years ago
Huge thanks for Selva teardown. I was very interested to look inside the damper.
I have Formula Selva S and I also bought R dual air spring for test. R modification didn’t inspire me at all, but S is brilliant performer. I previously had Lyrik Ultimate with custom tuned Charger RC2.1 damper, DSD Rund and later installed Vorsprung Secus which is now relocated to friend’s Z1. I thought it was amazing fork until Secus refused to work! I was mad, I got tired of investing in Lyrik performance and I ordered Formula Selva S after looking through different reviews.
To my surprise, after only 1 km I became a believer =))
Than I got Orange, Silver, Red, Electric Blue CTS because of curiosity. Right now I have settled on Blue CTS.
Recently I have tested fox 36 2021, Z1 with Secus (air spring really does it job amazingly, but let down by the damper) and had a short ride on fox 38. Well, all of them are crap, sorry. Selva S outperformed all of them with Blue CTS. And having the ability to completely change the compression knocks down the whole competition.
How it feels? My weight is 116 kg geared for reference. It’s super plush in the initial 40% of travel due to coil negative spring, and than the magic starts to happen. It doesn’t choke on repeated bumps, it doesn’t bottom out, it eats almost all types of obstacles and it’s performance doesn’t fade on long descents. Next, I’ll convert it to coil just to see how the ultimate enduro fork should perform. I haven’t noticed any unwanted flex even under my weight. Electric Blue CTS was an overkill on our trails, or maybe I’m to slow to bring it alive, cause it feels like a rally car. Silver CTS is sooooooo plush, but bottoms out easily and dedicated more towards lightweight riders, or I got it completely wrong. Red CTS is like Blue CTS, but in the second part of the stroke it refuses to give back remaining travel, simultaneously keeps eating chatter and big hits. I haven’t tried Green and Orange, but will give them a try in 2022.
There are some minor details, like lower axle to crown height (though it rides much higher during the braking, but it depends on chosen CTS), it needs Mudhugger Evo front fender (others will hit the tire during compressions, I have experienced it already), there are no bleeding buttons on the lowers (but didn’t experience any internal pressure when dramatically changing the altitude), spare parts are available, but you need to hunt them down using SKU numbers, which Formula provides in direct messages on Facebook if you ask what you need.
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[email protected]
3 years ago
Hey Nikita, also sent you a DM. I've been interested in a Selva for a while, and was going to order the R. Can you expand on your experience between the S and R? Thanks.
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trumpstinyhands
3 years, 4 months ago
"The spiral retaining ring is used instead of a more common standard clip with an opening that's squeezed together. These are said to provide improved retention thanks to the 360 degrees of contact."
Fox had these 10+ years ago. On the same note, Fox's air bleed system and floating axles are straight out of Marzocchi forks from the turn of the millennium. Funny how old ideas keep getting re-hashed as new. Oh and yay more proprietary tools for no reason at all :D
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AJ Barlas
3 years, 4 months ago
True! And the longer someone's been involved in the sport, the more instances of something already being tried come up. Some things were before their time, others were deemed bad at the time and maybe improved now with updated technology. We're definitely seeing a lot of it though!
Agreed with the proprietary tools, but honestly, it fits great and doesn't slip. I haven't had to be as careful as I am with my flat sockets, which could eventually be dangerous…
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LAT
3 years, 4 months ago
to be fair to Formula, the tools for the top caps and the CST cartridge are supplied with the fork.
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Spooky817
3 years, 4 months ago
There’s only really one proprietary tool, the CTS tool… for the top caps you can get a a socket from any hardware store and modify it a bit (face it and turn it down a little) it will do the same job… honestly, I think Formula are doing a great job at making suspension that requires very few proprietary tools to work on…
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Sethsg
3 years, 4 months ago
Wow, it is so cool to see how it all works it is so simple yet complicated at the same time.
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AJ Barlas
3 years, 4 months ago
Fully! I was thinking the same as I put the article together. It seemed like there wasn't much happening but once it was all done, there's actually a fair bit going on.
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BenHD
3 years, 4 months ago
Hey A.J., you may have a typo in there. The seals should be manufactured by SKF and not SKS, right?
Besides that, I love your photos and the review.
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AJ Barlas
3 years, 4 months ago
Hey Ben, thanks for the catch. All fixed.
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Sarah McBain
3 years, 4 months ago
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Sarah McBain
3 years, 4 months ago
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Zayphod
3 years, 3 months ago
When can we expect the review?
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