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Review

Fidlock Twist Magnetic Bottle System Review

Photos AJ Barlas
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Shouldn't water bottles be designed to fit the bike and not the other way around? According to a recent Pinkbike Poll, the majority of mountain bikers want a bike that will fit a bottle, and I'd assume many of those want it mounted within the front triangle. More frames have gone this route as well, including Yeti with their latest range, or Santa Cruz. I agree that it's important and I too need a bottle to attach somewhere on the bike, but I believe the frame and suspension design should come first and the bottle made to fit that.

I’m not suggesting every mountain bike with room for a bottle in the front triangle is flawed or that all bikes should have some strange custom bottle, but there are challenges for engineers to overcome when adding bottle fitment to an already complex puzzle. When the front derailleur was axed from 99% of mountain bikes, it freed up engineers to do things they previously hadn't been able to. Designing for the bottle can put similar limitations on some designs.

To be clear, I’m all for a bottle within the front triangle but I don’t believe bike companies should have to limit their creativity or suspension designs because of it. YT appears to have gone about it this way with their Jeffsy and other bikes in their range; designing the bike how they desired and then developing a bottle to fit within that. The Jeffsy requires a specific bottle and the design of that has been updated over the years. Their latest version, the Thirstmaster 4000 and 5000 each utilize Fidlock’s connector and bike base. YT designed the bottle to work with the Fidlock technology and has the bottles made by Fidlock’s supplier. The bottles aren’t your typical shape because that wouldn’t work in the space available.

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YT's Thirstmaster 4000 (pictured) and 5000 use the Fidlock system, allowing them to lower the height of the bottle and fit a larger one on their bikes. The bottle itself is not a standard round bottle. Photo: YT

Before noticing YT and Fidlock had partnered on the latest bottle I was prepared to claim Fidlock has the potential to get us down the route of bottles made to fit bikes. They’ve already started. Who knows if we’ll see others pursue Fidlock for this service but the fact they’re already working with YT to create bottles that fit the bike design is music to my ears.

But Fidlock is more well known for its regular-looking bottles and the unique Twist system. For anyone keen to ditch the cage and simplify the bottle mounting process, this is an option. However, what drew me to them was their Uni-Base; a set of flexible straps that mount the magnetic base to just about any tube. Fidlock has a regular base that attaches to the usual cage mounts of a frame too and there’s a clip that provides a mounting point to textiles, like a backpack or your back pocket.

Fidlock also has various bottles available and their original looks like a regular water bottle. The mouthpiece is a pop-up, pop-down type, which for many riders may be a bit dated but it works fine. It’s made with PP, the same as Camelbak uses, but features the Twist connection on the belly. Their new bottle, the Deluxe, is made with LDPE which is said to be a softer and easier to squeeze material. Specialized bottles use this too. It also features a slightly different shape – a small hump across the top provides more room for fluids from a shorter length – and includes a removable dirt cover over a high-flow, self-sealing valve.

Highlights:

  • Twist bottle connector can be transferred between Fidlock bottles
  • Two different bottles, Standard and Deluxe, each in two sizes
    • Standard: 450ml and 600ml
    • Deluxe: 450ml and 590ml
  • Three mounts or “Base” styles
    • Bike Base
    • Uni-Base (flexible straps)
    • Tex-Base (Clips to soft textiles)
  • MSRP: 49.24–57.13 CAD / 37.99–44.99 USD / 31.35–37.13 EUR (each for the system).
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The magnetic posts of the base mount (bike base pictured) slot into the ends of the carrier, which is attached to the bottle.

The Fidlock Twist System

Fidlock’s unique approach to carrying fluids on the bike breaks down into three key parts. The base, which houses a set of magnets in two posts, the connector, which is mounted to the bottle, and the module/bottle. Fidlock also has Twist bags, which are a type of semi-hard case that can carry tools, snacks or other items. I've only used their bottles but the bag sounds interesting for riders that have the space to mount one.

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Fidlock has their original bottle and cap (left) and now their new Deluxe bottle and cap (right). The Deluxe is more of an oval shape, taking greater advantage of their unique mounting system.

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Three bases, or mounts, currently exist for the Fidlock Twist system. Bottom left is the Bike Base, in the center is the Uni-Base and in the upper right is the Tex-Base.

The package riders will start with includes the connector and bottle, which come as one piece, and the base of choice but it's possible to purchase each separately. Having the individual components available separately will help with the product's longevity after investing in the system, which is more expensive than most. For comparison, I’ve been using the standard Specialized Zee bottle cage for years and those are 25 USD. The Specialized Purist bottle in a 22oz size is 10 USD. That’s 35 USD compared to the 39.99 USD for the Fidlock set up with an equivalent size bottle. If you’re like me and require the Uni-Base, the price jumps to 52.99 USD for the same bottle size.

But once invested into the system, replacement bottles range from 9.99 USD for the 450ml with a regular valve to 16.99 USD for the largest Deluxe bottle. These will likely need replacing more often than the connector or base, with minimal wear showing on my test product after months of abuse in the shittiest conditions – a wet, Coastal B.C. autumn and early winter. I typically discover mold growing in my bottles and eventually have to toss them after they can no longer be adequately cleaned. The connector and base are available separately as well, should they need replacing in the future.

The unique design incurs a cost penalty but the clean setup and fuss-free use will be worthwhile for some riders. Riders on bikes without any mounts are easier to sway into the system thanks to the flexibility of the Uni-Base but anyone interested in a clean, unobtrusive bottle mount will also appreciate Fidlock's Bike-Base package.

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The connecter is attached to the bottle separately and can be removed simply with a quarter twist of a 5mm Allen.

Setup & Use

My GeoMetron G1 doesn’t have any threaded cage mounts thanks to the suspension design. But fortunately, my size ‘Extra Longest’ does have room for a bottle in the front triangle, it just needs a way to be mounted. For the first year, I mounted a bottle cage to the front triangle using zip ties, as I had with my earlier G16. To my surprise, it worked quite well but it did cause minor wear and I was interested in how the Fidlock Uni-Base system would work.

I was also hoping for a cleaner setup with the Uni-Base but before receiving one, I didn’t realize how the buckle of the straps worked. These loop through and fold back on themselves, leaving a rather large and unsightly mass hanging from the frame. But we’re talking about strapping items to the bike, something nobody does for looks. Functionally, it worked great.

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The Uni-Base makes fitting the bottle to any frame where there's space possible. The straps are plenty long to accommodate tubes up to 62mm wide. Thanks to the design of the Deluxe bottle, I'm able to fit the 590ml bottle in the front triangle of my G1.

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At first I wasn't too keen on the cap but it's become a standout feature of the new Deluxe bottles.

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Not having dirt and filth on the mouthpiece of the bottle has been nice during the winter months.

The soft TPU straps of the Uni-Base don’t wear at the metal finish of the frame like the zip-ties did and do an admirable job of holding everything firmly in place. I found them to relax after a while of use but a quick adjustment snugged everything back up. The straps will work with any tube width between 28 and 62mm and on the alloy downhill tubing of the G1, I was left with about 110mm excess strap after securing the base to the roughly 50mm wide tube. I tucked the excess away for the test period but now that I’ve had time with the product, can see trimming it.

Using the magnets with the bottle took a moment to get used to. Mounting the bottle in the side-load cage is second nature but I was able to adjust after one ride. Once I discovered it was easier to hover the bottle near where it needed to go and let the magnets take care of the rest, it was smooth sailing. And despite the tight space, particularly when using the larger 590mm Deluxe bottle, it snapped in place seamlessly.

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The Uni-Base straps cleanly to the frame and has held the bottle securely in place since mounting it.

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The excess on the straps needs to be cut back now everything has proven itself, but tucking them away worked well too.

The biggest surprise for me was the Deluxe bottle itself. Some would argue it’s ridiculous to cover the bottle valve and that it makes getting a drink slow, but I’ve found it to be extremely beneficial. With a regular bottle, I would either waste fluid trying to clean the mud and grit from the valve or end up spitting out dirt and often both. I’ve also been on rides where I was afraid to drink from my bottle for fear of falling ill from all of the cow shit unintentionally being ridden through.

With the cover over the valve, there’s no need to worry about any of that – the mouthpiece is kept squeaky clean. It's slower to get to the fluids and I’ve not opened the cap cleanly with a single hand while moving but I usually stop to take a drink anyway. Cross country racers will benefit from removing the cap of the Deluxe bottle but for most riders out there having a good time, enjoy the clean drinking experience. The new self-sealing high-flow valve is also great – anyone familiar with the valves on bottles like Camelbak will appreciate the update.

The bottle design also made it possible for me to fit their large bottle in my frame. The standard 600ml bottle would not have fit but the shape of the Deluxe and its overall shorter length means I can carry more fluid.

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It's a tight fit, but the large bottle fits thanks to the clever bottle design. I'd like to see more adventurous bottle shapes though, and perhaps non-centered mouthpieces too.

Conclusions

Unique ways of attaching a bottle to the bike are something I approve of, particularly because I ride a bike that requires it. But the magnetic system and minimalist base are nice to work with no matter how it's mounted.

Fidlock has established itself as a company not willing to follow the usual methods and they've instead developed an interesting system that’s intuitive and flexible. They’re capable of being the company bike manufacturers go to when in need of a unique bottle to fit a design that limits a regular bottle. It's started with YT and perhaps companies like Production Privee or Nicolai will also work on something.

Will Fidlock put an end to the "looks like a Session" comments? Probably not but it would be great to see engineers freed from constraints forced on them because of the regular water bottle.

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Vikb
+2 goose8 mikesee

We've used the Fidlock system to attach a second bottle to both my GF's bikes [she can fit one inside the frame already] for longer/warmer rides. It works well. You should be able to replace the ugly straps with zipties if you are not removing the mount from the frame often.

We've also used the smaller Wolf Tooth B-Rad base electrical taped to a frame with Fabric cageless bottle studs mounted to it for a 2nd bottle. That set up worked pretty well and the mount was fairly stealthy when not being used with black tape on a black frame.

I'm one of those weirdos that won't buy a bike I can't get a bottle mounted inside the frame and one more mounted under the downtube. I'd prefer dedicated bottle mounts, but I'd make due with DIY bottle solutions. Since I'd ride a smaller Geometron than you AJ I couldn't fit a bottle inside the frame. Whenever I am browsing their sweet bikes I get that far and realized I wouldn't be able to live with the machine day to day despite how lovely I am sure they are in every other way.

On one hand I understand the notion of not wanting to have water bottle placement drive the bike's design. On the other hand water is more essential than suspension to me and it's not like I or just about anyone I have ever ridden with is pushing their bikes so hard that we'd have our ride experience ruined by a design that was only 87% as awesome as it could be due to fitting a water bottle in a convenient spot.

I do look at the Geometron frames and it seems they could fit a custom designed water bottle. I realize that's a hassle to design and manufacture, but if you are making highly optimized frames that seems like a logical step. It also seems like carrying a significant amount of weight high on the back vs. lower on the bike is not fully optimizing the total ride performance either.

Anyways I am glad water bottles inside the main triangle are making a comeback. I'm also glad to have flexible bottle solutions like the Fidlock and Fabric systems for getting a 2nd or 3rd bottle on the frame.

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AJ_Barlas
+2 Vik Banerjee Zero-cool

I've been thinking about zip ties too, Vik. But then I'm back to damaging the metal of the frame. A better tape job would help though. I've also been considering other solutions that aren't black, to disguise the attachment a bit. Then I go ride and forget about all of it, haha. 

I wouldn't think you're a 'weirdo' for wanting a bottle inside the front triangle. You're actually totally normal and it's a fair request. I also agree and have been guilty of it in the past. I reckon frames designed first, then bottles developed to fit the design are a win for everyone. The bike engineer gets to design the bike with fewer limitations and we get a place to carry a bottle. If you could have both, wouldn't you be stoked?

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jan
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re: ugly straps. Nano Voile Straps fit perfectly in the universal base and are much sleeker than those bulky ones provided by Fidlock. (9" nano straps are the right size for fitting the fidlock base to my G1)

https://www.voile.com/nano-series-straps.html

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AJ_Barlas
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Thanks for the tip! Are you running those orange ones? They look similar to some other straps that are black, including the OneUp strap, but I think that one is wider. I'll check!

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jan
+1 Pete Roggeman

I went with black. They still stick out a bit but are much less of a faff than the original straps. Indeed, only the Nanos work for this application. 

black

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AJ_Barlas
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Thanks heaps for the visual, Jan! Definitely a bit cleaner but I'd like to find a solution that's cleaner still. I wonder if a velcro (I know, it sucks) strap with some sticky backing to sit against the frame would work? Kinda like the SKS straps I use to hold my OneUp pump in place? They may be too wide but I'm going to check.

Vikb
+2 AJ Barlas goose8

> The bike engineer gets to design the bike with fewer limitations and we get a place to carry a bottle. If you could have both, wouldn't you be stoked?

For sure and getting a custom made bottle isn't that hard really. Especially if one or two shapes would work for your whole line up of bikes.

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hongeorge
+1 AJ Barlas

Some sections of electrical heat shrink will help - pass the cable ties through it, tighten up, then shrink to fit with hair dryer. I use the same for front mudguards, etc. Gives a layer of soft rubber under the cable tie that takes the wear instead of the frame.

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IslandLife
+1 Stretch

Noticed a couple people saying they lost a bottle with this system. Just thought I'd chime in and mention that after two years of hard riding, crashing and enduro racing, my bottle has never come loose... and it's in a pretty standard front triangle horst link set-up (lots of room for it to move if it could). Compare that with previous cages where I've had bottles get knocked loose from crashes and hard gnar riding semi-regularly. It was always standard practice after an unplanned dismount or particularly g-out inducing section of trail to quickly check that the bottle was still there. It's not even a thought anymore using the Fidlock set-up.

It seem both the "lost a bottle" comments mention is happened on their first ride. Now, I didn't have any issue getting used to the system (that I can remember) as I didn't find anything that needed "getting used to", it really is pretty fool-proof. But like AJ mentions, there could be something about getting used to how it connects that some people may just want to pay a little more attention to during their first ride?

I don't even need the extra space the Fidlock system provides, I just really love the way it works and once you're used to it, it feels like you can almost just sort of throw your bottle at those magnets and keep trucking without even looking.  Super fast and slick system.

AJ, quick question... interested in the new bottle cap, does Fidlock mention being able to just buy the cap vs another bottle? Do the caps fit the older bottles?  Don't see them listed separately on the site and the bottles without the mount are pretty reasonably priced, but it seems a waste to get rid of a perfectly good bottle when I'd just like the new cap.  Guess I could just buy a whole new system and sell my current (still in perfect condition) 600ml bottle & mount...

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AJ_Barlas
+1 IslandLife

I'm of a similar thought to you regarding the early losses but thought perhaps the tight space in my frame prevented the issue while I got used to the connection. Thanks for your input! Once you get used to the connection, it really is as simple as hovering over the bracket and let the magnets take care of the rest. Very clean.

I just checked and the new cap appears to fit the older bottle. It screws on easier than the Deluxe bottles but appears to seal up, though I've not tested it on the trail. In theory, you could get a new bottle and transfer the cap from the Deluxe to your others when needed.

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Fidlock
+2 AJ Barlas IslandLife

Officially the new bottle (590) is a different thread pattern from the original (600) so they're not intended to be interchangeable but we've had several people doing this.

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werewolflotion
+1 AJ Barlas

Yep I'll second that. Been running the big bottle for ~8 months with plenty of room in my frame for it to bounce around/fly off and have had no issues. I do think the system lends itself better to riders who aren't chasing xc records, as the muscle memory of slamming a bottle into a cage is maybe just a tad easier, but it's close. The magnets are strong enough to where it really sucks the bottle down once it's close. Completely silent for me and no signs of wear yet. I'm a big fan.

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ChocolateThunder
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I have noticed that the magnetic bits of rock/ore in the soil slowly collect on the magnets, impairing connection. It takes some effort to clean the socket out.

I also have a universal mount on the underside of the downtube. It has never let go, but it sure got wobbly and maybe damaged the solidity of the bottle/bottle mount interface when riding Silver Mtn with a full bottle. Now I endeavor to mostly empty that bottle on the ascent, prior to gnar, and don’t use for park.

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luke_sky
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From the bruise I got and the way I crashed I am fairly positive that I kicked the bottle out with my knee, so I don‘t blame Fidlock or think that I put the bottle in wrong. With a regular cage, the cage probably wouldn‘t have survived either. But perhaps I would have realized it before I finished the stage and was halfway to the next one...

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Skeen
+1 AJ Barlas

I’m a big fan of fidlock bottles, have 1 on the inside triangle of 2 different bikes and looking forward to adding more to my fleet. One was set up ona Honzo esd, in part to leave room for a top tube hung half frame bag. Works great but I was overzealous in my initial setup and had the fidlock base mounted on a problem solvers bottle mount slider, so low that the bottom edge of the bottle made contact with the seat tube. After only a few rides this wore through the topcoat of paint. I repainted, wrapped silicone tape for extra protection, and move the bottle mount up a few mm so bottle no longer touches frame. Silicone tape is great, only sticks to itself, easy to remove, protects contact points with frame very well, multiple colors.

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EdgyAF
+1 IslandLife

I've used one for my summer Alps trip last year, along with a friend, and it was great. Never fell even on rough DH tracks and drops, easy to use, very clean looking on the bike.

I bought it for "normal" riding initially, but at the end I was just using it everywhere. It's not cheap, but great buy.

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DogVet
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Lost bottle on first ride!!

Subsequently new one (not cheap with locking interface ) seems so far to have stayed attached to bike.

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fartymarty
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Hugo - Keep us updated how the new bottle stays in place.  This looks like a much cleaner solution to the SKS bottle mount I currently have squashed in a similar place on my Murmur however if you lose bottles its not worth it.  I previously has a Fabric cageless bottle but the bottle kept falling out so got rid of it.

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AJ_Barlas
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I'll try and shoot a video of the bottle setup on my wife's bike (regular mount for yanking on). The only way I can see losing a bottle with the Fidlock if it wasn't properly stowed. I've lost bottles with regular cages because of this too.

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Fidlock
+1 AJ Barlas

Good feedback.  Can't say what happened in this case - malfunction or quality issue are always possible.  Do you know if you used the provided screws or your stock screws?  The provided screws have are low-profile so they don't interfere with the connection of the bottle.

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eh-cee
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luke_sky
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Lost my bottle on the first ride, too (in a crash). In an Enduro Race, 5 min after refilling at the feed station in pretty hot weather. You can additionally secure them to avoid that, tough. My girlfriend has used one of those rubber charity bracelets that once were popular unter the fidlock „cage“ and wraps it over the bottle before descents. This works really well but is a bit fiddly if you want to drink without stopping. Helps also with regular bottle cages that tend to drop bottles.

Also, the YT bottle with 835 ml should fit in the same space as the regular 600 ml bottle.

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AJ_Barlas
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It sucks to lose a bottle, or anything else because of a crash. While getting used to the system I too am guilty of not connecting it fully but caught it before losing the bottle. Once I learnt the system and connection it's never needed added attention. 

I was wondering about the YT bottles and how they may possibly fit the space in my bike. I also wonder if the smaller YT option would fit in a smaller G1 for those who need it?

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fartymarty
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AJ - have you ever thought of getting bottle bosses added to the frame?

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AJ_Barlas
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I have, along with fully custom setup. Maybe one day but I'm okay with the current setup.

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hongeorge
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Aaagh. My Large G1 is so, so close to fitting the smaller Fidlock bottle, but the rop tube is just a hair too low to allow it to fit. Works so neatly on the XL.

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AJ_Barlas
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Have you considered the smaller YT option? I'm curious if it would work for size Large G1 owners.

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hongeorge
+1 AJ Barlas

Yeah, am wondering about it. I do have the smallest Fidlock bottle, and the 590 one above also, neither quite work, the odd shape of the YT one might just squeeze in. 

I need to find someone with the YT bottle to try it out..... that would be easy if it wasn't for lockdown

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ChocolateThunder
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I have a large G1... bottle only fits a little lopsided, but it works well enough and I don’t notice it getting in the way. Need to check that YT version out to see if it fits fully midline...

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hongeorge
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My OCD had ruled that out. Tried it a gain, not cure I can live with it :)

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AJ_Barlas
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Hahaha. It's funny that your OCD won't allow the setup pictured but strapping a bottle to the bike 'the normal way up' is acceptable. Stoked to hear that it can work though, ChocolateThunder!

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khai
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Being a somewhat short person it's been pretty rare for me to be able to fit a bottle inside the triangle of any FS bike - particularly before the long/slack trend with their shorter seat tubes and increased standover started opening up larger frames to me.  Side load cages and small bottles have been helpful but I've become accustomed to wearing a pack of some sort, most of the time.  A fidlock mount with the YT short bottle could be a real boon to shorter riders who want to carry a small amount of water for a shorter lap.  I have to say, the first ride I took without a pack at all was pretty amazing...

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AJ_Barlas
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Maybe they are hidden away somewhere but I wish the dims for the Thirstmaster 4000 and 5000 were available on their site. It would be great to be able to roughly check against the space on a given bike. Pretty curious if the 5000 will fit in my G1 for those hot summer rides. 

Riding with a pack doesn't frustrate everyone but it sounds like you enjoyed the sans pack rip. Hopefully, you're able to jimmy a bottle setup to enjoy those shorter rides. Do you think you'll try the YT bottle?

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luke_sky
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I compared the dimensions of the YT 5000 and the old Fidlock 600 (the one without the cap, Fidlock has dimensions for their bottle online) when doing the dishes. All the relevant dimensions are identical, the main difference is the YT has a rectangular base and protrudes a bit more to the left and right of the bike. The YT even has a chamfer on the bottom part that might help in certain situations.

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Andeh
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I've tried Fidlock systems (the 2019 bolt-on version, and the newer bolt-on version with the flip cap) on two different bikes because I really like the clean aesthetic when you're not using a bottle.  Unfortunately, the bottles rattle like a shopping cart going downhill - deal breaker for me.

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AJ_Barlas
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Interesting. I haven't noticed any rattle with the bottles at all and I'm usually quite picky about sounds from my bike. What do you think is causing the rattle from the bottle?

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Andeh
+1 AJ Barlas

On my current bike (Guerrilla Gravity), I had it mounted to the attachment points on the bottom of the top tube.  I'm assuming that the bottle's attachment to it's magnetic mount strip was flexy enough that the bottle was bouncing off the topside of the downtube.  But it could be vertical play within the magnetic catch.

On the previous setup ('19 Sentinel), I have no idea why it rattled.  My guess is the whole system was flexing or moving slightly.

My bikes are generally pretty quiet, and I'm aware of certain noises they do make, so when I change something and there's more noise, it drives me nuts.

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hans-frederiks
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Delighted to see a big bottle fits the G1, my side loading spesh cage from my old G13 didn't work, finally a solution that works well for the XL G1. Ordered.

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eh-cee
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I’m on my third fidlock bottle. First one I broke after an epic tomahawk crash on Ridden Art... surprised it was the only thing that broke to be totally honest. The bottle cracked in a few places so I harvested the good magnetic bits off for future replacements.

Second one I lost in a night ride down 7th Secret a few months ago after a sketchy move and accidentally booting it into the forest (if anyone finds one after the Gangler let me know!). Didn’t realize it was gone until I got down to Crinkum. I would have gone back up to look for it but I was riding solo and already soaking wet nearly hypothermic.

Despite them costing almost 50 bucks, I still got another one. Why? I like how low profile it is on and off the bike and stays put on the chunkiest of trails. I have lost more bottles in my years of biking from a standard bottle/cage setup!

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