Excessive Celebration?

Words Dave Tolnai
Date Jun 20, 2016

Dear Uncle Dave,

How do you behave after you achieve a degree of progression on the bike? Perhaps this happens less than it used to, but in context I imagine you still have moments where you clean something really tough for you. Where do you sit on the understated – overstated axis? Has it changed over time? While I’ve always been relatively understated in that way, I don’t think it’s for everyone. At the same time, do you think there’s a line that should not be crossed? It’s a tough one, I think, because there’s often some significant injury risk at stake.

And yes, I’m thinking of a specific example here. Related to the recent best trick at the Crankworx Les Gets. Nicholi Rogatkin went off like a frog in a sock when he landed a 1080 on his 3rd attempt. It’s no mean feat, I get that, and he obviously tried hard to get it, but his reaction is too much for me. He interviews fine, but I think the NFL would be embarrassed of such antics.

(click here to see Nicholi’s 1080 and celebration)

Sincerely,
Neil Armstrong


Dear Astroman:

We’ll talk first about my personal view on outwardly expressing any sort of pride or celebration over an accomplishment. The short version…I’m not really into it.

Long ago I raced bikes. I wasn’t all that good at it, but I had a few results. For some reason, dual slalom was my best event. As long as the jumps were no more than knee high I could compete with the best of them. The best of them at out of the way, no consequence races.

I think the first Dual Slalom I ever entered was a BC Cup at Sun Peaks. I wouldn’t suggest that it was the who’s who of mountain biking that entered this event, but there were some pros. I qualified okay and eventually found myself in a semi-final against…shit…I can’t even remember. Some early days pro DHer from way back when. The first run was pretty tight. Can’t remember exactly how that went. On the second run I found myself in front of him from the start. I could hear him nipping at my heals and then…nothing. I got to the finish and looked back up. He was sprawled out somewhere high on the course and there I was in the finish. The victor.

And I remember thinking to myself “Hey. I just won this thing. I really shouldn’t have. But I did. Shouldn’t I be celebrating?” So I put my arms in the air. Which was a pretty stupid thing to do.

1 – My opponent was sprawled out on the course with a minor injury.

2 – It was a semi-final at a late-90’s BC Cup Dual Slalom race.

3 – It felt really, really unnatural.

Regardless, in that moment, I figured out that I’m not really the sort of guy that is all that into celebrating. New job?  Birth of a child?  Deposition of a tyrannical Prime Minister?  Maybe I’ll pour myself an extra beer that night. Race victory or major cycling accomplishment?  Well, lucky for me I got my ass handed to me in the final and I didn’t have to worry about celebrating. And I can count my decent race results in the decade that followed on one hand. And I can’t do tricks on my bicycle. So this really is a theoretical discussion than any sort of life problem that I’ve had to deal with.

I’m actually having one of those correlation/causation thoughts in my head right now. If I had been more into celebrating, would I have had more to celebrate?  Too late to change that now.

So back to Mr. Rogatkin. I’m actually tremendously confused as to what to think about this guy. The lack of the visor. The Dubai sponsorship. At first glance, he seems like the jock kid of slopestyle. A gymnast on a bicycle. But then he does everything with such enthusiasm…how can you be annoyed by that?

But as I start to look at slopestyle lately, I can’t get excited by it. As Cam asked in the post for the recent Semenuk video – should this be the future of Slopestyle?  For me, the answer is an enthusiastic YES. The super technical, Tony Hawk Pro Skater button mashing spinfest that slopestyle has become is boring. Impressive, but boring. I’d rather watch that Semenuk video a few dozen times than watch most slopestyle competitions. But…oh shit. We’re not talking about that, are we?

Slopestyle. Claimers. Ordinarily, I’m not that into it. But I’m going to let Mr. Rogatkin do whatever the hell he wants after landing that. That was impressive. Smooth and impressive. If I ever did something like that, no matter my policy on celebrations, I would probably start by shitting my pants and then I would embark on a series of frightfully embarrassing actions that would let the whole world know exactly what I’d just done. In all honesty, he seems remarkably restrained.

Sorry,
Uncle Dave


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whatyouthink
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whatyouthink  - June 22, 2016, 6:44 a.m.

All I could see during the video was that his helmet wasn't strapped.

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nat-brown
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Nat Brown  - June 21, 2016, 12:04 p.m.

I need to own this one. I submitted it without feeling strongly about the subject, but thinking that Dave could make something of it. I think he did a great job, but my question was pretty lame. Who the fuck am I to call someone specific out for doing something as innocent as celebrating in a way that does no harm to anyone? An asshole, that's what. Sorry Nicholi.

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pete@nsmb.com
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Pete Roggeman  - June 21, 2016, 4:47 p.m.

I see both sides of the argument and I do not think at all that asking a question like that should force you into penitence. Similar themes run throughout pro sports - the NFL penalizes players for spiking the ball or excessive celebrations. Soccer players get yellow cards if they pull off their jersey after scoring a goal. Don't even get me started on baseball where a rookie or unestablished player isn't allowed to even watch the damn ball fly over the fence. Nope. Just put your head down and run the bases - almost apologetically, as if you have to worry about hurting the pitcher's feelings. Well listen, ace, don't hang it over the plate next time. Then hockey, where players - usually young ones - get berated for overly exuberant celebration, but other players like the Sedins have been criticized for their casual celebrations after goals. "They don't care enough" say the critics.

So which way do you go with all of that? It's hard to discern. Personally I love players/athletes that have personality and flair. I think that celebrating is one thing, but it crosses the line when it's taunting. That's not at play with Rogatkin or in Slopestyle - those guys all seem to have a lot of respect for each other.

At the same time, it does look studly when an athlete pulls off something god- like and then casually saunters over to play the next point, take a face-off, or whatever.

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nat-brown
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Nat Brown  - June 22, 2016, 8:57 a.m.

I agree with you, and I'm not retracting my opinion on the matter. However, I think I'm on the wrong side of things on 2 counts. 1. Stating it publicly WRT one person and 2. trying to gather a mob on the Internet to spotlight that one person. I also don't think what I did is a really big deal, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't say sorry. Nicholi's something like 19 and I've got 20 years of life experience on him. He should be free to make his own way in the world without this sort of scrutiny and pressure. I hate conformity and that's what I was ultimately trying to apply to him, at a pretty sensitive age. When I was his age I was picking my ass and bumping into things. An apology was in order in my view.

Putting that all behind me though, those are some interesting points you bring up. I was pretty deeply involved in baseball as a kid in Australia and had no idea about the rookie thing. Some cocky fuckers I played with might have gotten themselves into trouble when they played in the majors. And hockey, well, with my outsider's perspective I find the whole Canadian culture around that fascinating. I'm pretty sure statistics would say there's no way the Canadian drought of Stanley Cups is explained by random chance. It's crazy how much pressure gets put on those guys. That's a more fitting discussion for the previous week's Uncle Dave…

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Dirk
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Dirk  - June 22, 2016, 8:52 p.m.

Dude. We've only got room here for one neurotic apologist with an opinion that nobody cares about.

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rvoi
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rvoi  - June 21, 2016, 11:20 a.m.

I thought Rogatkin showed amazing restraint. Hitting that 1080 like butter warrants a few fist pumps and an optional shout out to the deity of his choice. Wouldn't it would be boring if he just coasted away?

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humanpowered
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Humanpowered  - June 21, 2016, 1:46 p.m.

Boring? No way! just coasting away after that would be amazing! That would really get people talking.

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