
Uncle Dave
Demystifying Lower Leg Fork Service
If you happened to not be a cyclist, but read a lot of things written about bicycles, you would probably think that “servicing your lowers” was a critical part of the mountain biking experience. How often does this get talked about? When should you do it? Will you die if you don’t?
Myself, there has seldom been a time over the last 5 years where I haven’t felt like I’m neglecting at least one fork. It all came to a head this year (well…actually last year at this point!) when I had not one, not two, but three forks from three different brands that all were screaming at me to have their lowers serviced! Crazy times.
You’d think that such a fundamental thing to the experience of cycling would be easy to accomplish. Roadside lowers service booths, perhaps? And, in a sense, it is. Easy to accomplish, that is. Fox and Rock Shox all provide some sort of documentation on the process and most people that work on their bikes themselves should be able to follow along. Do not be daunted by the process. It can be messy, yes, but easy enough to complete.
You’d also think that sourcing the correct oil would be a trivial process. I mean, we’re all continually servicing our lowers so most shops should have an entire section dedicated to just this one task, right? But over the past year or so while trying to find the “correct” oil for my lowers, I’ve been on the following wild goose chases…all from reputable bike shops!
1) I tried to source some Fox 20 weight gold locally. Nobody that I phoned locally had any in stock. Ordered it online.
2) I tried to source some Fox Teflon Infused 5 weight locally. Nobody that I phoned locally had any in stock. One told me that they did, but when I showed up they tried to sell me R3 instead. When I explained to them that the damper side lowers oil mixed with the damper oil and it was advised that you really should use Fox Teflon Infused 5 weight, the only thing that registered was skepticism. I finally hassled our local Fox people to send me a bottle.
3) I went back to this same shop that tried to sell me the wrong Fox oil, searching for the Rock Shox recommended “Maxima Plush Light”. They now told me that they don’t sell fork oil, because they’d prefer to do the work themselves! I guess at least now they aren’t trying to sell people the wrong oil, so there’s that. But what oil are they using on their customers bikes?
4) I tried to source “Maxima Plush Light” from a few other shops. Nobody that I phoned locally had this oil. I walked into a shop and they recommended two other Maxima oils (neither “plush” nor “light”) or some Rock Shox 0w30. I sent a frantic text to my Rock Shox connection and he told me the 0w30 should be fine, so I bought that. As I left the shop, they gave me a volume recommendation that contradicted the official Rock Shox recommendation.
I live in one of the mountain bike capitals of the world (I would argue). I have people connected to major suspension companies that will answer my e-mails (occasionally). I care about doing this right (for the most part). Even with all of that at my disposal, it proved to be tremendously difficult to follow the manufacturer’s recommendations for a lowers service! And several shops gave me bad advice! Getting to the bottom of this felt like an important thing. Forks are an expensive, critical component of our bikes. It seems rather important to me to use the proper oils at the proper volumes but nobody else seems to really give a shit. So maybe I’m overthinking it? Maybe it really doesn’t matter and you can just jam whatever volume of whatever oil you have in there and call it a day?

Topher getting down to work at Obsession Bikes.
Fox
I decided to reach out to a few manufacturers to hear what they had to say about things, and to try to separate fact from fiction. I started with Fox because they seem the most specific about things, with two separate and very definitive oil requirements.
The first thing that I wanted from Fox was confirmation on why they have different oil requirements for each side of their fork. My understanding was that the (correct) 5 weight in the damper side is doing double duty by slowly cycling through the damper, while the Gold 20 weight in the air chamber side is just lubing things up. But there must be more to it, right? For a more official explanation, Mr. Sean Estes of Fox provided the following:
The reason you want to use a specific oil is because part of the magic of Grip dampers is that they are self-healing, meaning they are designed to be able to ingest some bath oil into the damper and in turn be able to purge that oil back out to prevent pressure build up inside the damper that would otherwise lead to performance degradation or worse. With this in mind, the bath oil needs to be the same spec as the damper oil for this system to work as intended.
Taking things further, Mr. Brian Lampman, Engineering Manager at Fox provided the following.
The oil bath for the damper side is basically a percentage of oil required in a full damper and the 5wt damper oil is used inside and out. Grip X & Grip X2 have different bath oil requirements in a common 36 chassis because they have different oil volumes for the same given travel.
Air springs use a different oil spec and lower volume because of less chassis volume (capped inside the entire upper tube in most cases) compared to the damper side chassis volume (volume inside and outside the upper tube all around the damper). Less room for the oil allows it to get up the foam ring and wiper easily when cycling the fork.
This is sort of fascinating. Not only do you need to get the oil right, it really seems like you can mess things up if your volumes are off too! Mr. Jordi Cortes had thoughts on both of these subjects.
When we work on oil development, we work with a supplier to hit specific requirements. Lubrication and damping are two factors but compatibility with parts is another. Many oils can actually degrade rubber or cause seals to swell and lose function. There are definitely cross compatible oils but that can be a crap shoot. Just buying expensive stuff doesn’t necessarily mean it works. For that reason it’s probably best to stick to the factory oil unless you or someone you trust has firsthand experience. Volumes are critical as well. You’re balancing positive, negative and lower leg volume which can drastically affect your ride. Too much oil and your spring curve will get extremely progressive and you may get some leakage from excess pressure. Too little and you’re getting a more linear spring but also not lubricating the internals properly and in the case of a recirculating damper you’d run the risk of oil loss.
So, straight from the horsiest of horses' mouths, hit your volumes and use the right oil.
Another thing that I was really interested about was crush washers! I asked Jordi just how important it was to replace your crush washers each time you crack your fork open, and for any hot tips on servicing your forks.
I think we’ve all recycled crush washers but they do serve a purpose. Similar to oil drain washers, you really do want that thickness to prevent metal on metal contact and ensure proper torque. As for tips, plan it out, run through each step before doing it, don’t allow any sharp objects anywhere near your work and use the right tools. I’ve seen people use the rebound cover as a tool to hammer on to remove the damper from the lowers. That usually doesn’t end well.

Formula
After talking with Fox, I felt pretty good about my strategy of using the right oil and following the manufacturer’s instructions. Maybe this is just a Fox thing though? Maybe another manufacturer will have a differing philosophy. Since I already had the Formula folks on an e-mail chain, I posed some similar questions to them about their forks. May as well take advantage of a captive audience, right?
The advice given by Formula wasn’t much different than from Fox. They also have two oils, one damper oil and one bath oil. But beyond that, they seem a lot more easy going about the process. Baptiste Del Monte at Formula had these things to say.
We do offer two oils, OJO1 for the hydraulic cartridge and FX for lubricating the stanchions, as well as inside the air chamber to lubricate the quadring. The properties of the two oils are different: the one for the hydraulics is stable even with varying temperatures and offers good wear resistance. On the other hand, the oil for lubricating the stanchions is not suitable for hydraulics, just as hydraulic oil is not suitable for lubrication. The stanchion oil is more viscous and contains specific additives to reduce sliding friction. If you can’t find our oil, OJO1 (in the cartridge) can be replaced with Kayaba 01. FX (stanchion lubricating oil) is very similar to Fox Gold 20WT, so that can be used instead. You should never use low-viscosity oils with few anti-friction properties for the stanchions, otherwise, you risk poor smoothness, jamming, and lack of fluidity on rough terrain
While not outright encouraging experimentation, Formula did seem okay with mixing things up a little bit in their damper.
It is not recommended to use oil that is too viscous in the cartridge, as this could lead to pressure imbalance problems, since the cartridge is designed to work with OJO1 or possibly with less viscous oils. In the colder months, especially when temperatures drop below zero, there are two ways to improve performance. First, you can use a less viscous oil in the hydraulic cartridge, such as Formula brake mineral oil, to make the hydraulics more fluid and responsive. Second, you can modify the lubrication of the stanchions by mixing FX oil with OJ01, resulting in a combination that improves smoothness without compromising performance. However, this is a modification only for users who will change the oil again in warmer months, not for those who disassemble the fork once a year or less.
After that, I asked them about any concerns with oil volumes, or with bath oil mixing with the damper.
Getting the correct volume in the hydraulics is essential to ensure the cartridge functions properly, otherwise, emulsions may form and compromise performance. As for the stanchions, too little oil reduces lubrication, while too much increases internal pressure, with the risk of pushing out the dust seal. Changes to these volumes will not affect the characteristics of the fork.
Rock Shox
My final port of call was with Rock Shox. I had numerous casual conversations (fun!) about fork oils with a few different Rock Shox people and I knew that they had similar advice to Fox on most topics. However, what I really wanted to know was why Rock Shox had so many different available oils and which of them were cross compatible. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to nail down an official response from Rock Shox.

What I learned
The conclusion that I took home after all of these conversations was that I hadn’t been overthinking it. I did some crazy shit with suspension forks back in the day, running fast and loose with oils and volumes. In this day and age though, if you think you need anything other than the stock oil at the stock volume, what you probably actually need is a suspension tuner, not a creative servicing solution. With the wisdom I now possess as a rule following middle aged man, my advice for servicing your lowers is simple.
1) Buy the right oil.
2) Follow the manufacturer’s instructions.
3) Dispose of your oil properly. In BC, it’s easy. Any BCUOMA depot will be able to handle it. If you aren’t sure, search for “gear oil disposal” using your favourite disposal app. Further instructions can be found here.
That’s it! Happy servicing.
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Brad Sedola
1 week, 6 days ago
I've been using the same 1l bottle of 5w Bel-Rey for at least a decade for lower fork service. Sourcing the proper stuff for whichever fork brand was the biggest PITA. The old double crown Stratos forks were the cats ass using ATF.
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Shinook
1 week, 6 days ago
I go through this regularly with people. Most bike shops aren't competent enough to do suspension work, even something as simple as changing bath oil. It's remarkable to me how many shops have just flat out screwed this up to the point of damaging the fork and it comes down to an inability to follow instructions.
This was particularly evident with DVO, their previous forks (idk if this is still an issue) had issues with Maxima (and RS fluids, by extension) causing seals to swell. One of the more prominent shops in my area had a DVO fork dropped off and they used Maxima fluids, despite the instructions saying clearly not to do so and DVO explaining repeatedly every time you call - DO NOT USE MAXIMA. Yet he used Maxima and the fork was seized so badly I couldn't compress the damper rod by hand, it had to go back to DVO for rebuild on day 1. How many forks did this shop send out like this? This was done by the supposed suspension expert at the shop!
I've known others that cracked shafts due to overtorquing foot nuts/bolts, stacking crush washers, forgetting to put oil in, seals reversed, etc. Another one had somehow clogged the negative dimple and the fork sucked into it's travel (due to overpressurized negative) by about 25% with no weight on it - they informed the customer that 25% was for "top out protection" and refused to fix it. It's a consistent theme and I just don't understand how it's so hard for shops to follow directions and do it properly.
and yes, the bad advice. The whole damper fluid in the leg thing was a mindwarp for some of the shops.
Anyway. I'll get off my soapbox, but the point is - this is an easy process, it is documented, yet it constantly gets screwed up and people really should just take it to suspension shops instead of assume people know what they are doing - they often don't.
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thaaad
1 week, 6 days ago
R.T.F.M. has rarely steered me wrong.
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Pete Roggeman
1 week, 5 days ago
Amen. And if you know how much work goes into producing manuals and service guides, it becomes that much easier to do it exactly as they specify. Sometimes the reasons aren't obvious, but usually the reasons have....reasons.
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ReformedRoadie
1 week, 3 days ago
A local shop - no longer around - used to have a pint glass with a rubber band. That's what they used for suspension servicing.
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Skooks
1 week, 3 days ago
No shop is as motivated as I am to do the job properly. That's why nobody works on my bike but me.
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ultimatist
1 day, 15 hours ago
hear hear!
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rolly
1 week, 6 days ago
Sourcing fork oil was a pain. Just stock it in store! LBS's stock most other service supplies. Three shops lost my business because they didn't have it.
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Merwinn
1 week, 6 days ago
I hear you, however my guess is that there isn't much demand to stock those fluids. As for me, guilty as charged; SW does my fork n shock annually because I don't have the tools, talent or patience.
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Ripbro
1 week, 6 days ago
I guess we are just lucky in Calgary, most shops have Fox, Maxima, Motorex on the shelf. However, you can often save some money if you go to the local motocross shop. Trying to find oils like motorex supergliss is another story, and I haven't been able to source that. I find that Fox Gold is too thick and adds damping if the temps are not high enough.
I like fully sealed dampers , as I can't imagine a fluid that has to lubricate and run in a damper is the best at both. Its likely to thin for a lower oil and too thick in the damper. I also suspect that the teflon additive doesn't do much other than help fox sell oil.
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Franky
1 week, 6 days ago
Surprised that Fox didn't mention it but the 5wt Teflon infused has been phased out and replaced by a Teflon free 4wt with otherwise the same specs, the two can be mixed without issue.
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Jotegir
1 week, 6 days ago
Interesting, and here they were insistent the Teflon part was very important when it was introduced. Glad to be rid of it personally.
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SuspensionLab_JonoChurch
1 week, 2 days ago
Normally I'm the first to suggest people should stick with the factory oils but the 5wt teflon is one I avoided using for several reasons (not least of which being the environmental impact!). I think the theory was that the teflon added lubricity to the thinner damper oil to help it work in the lowers, but I found it didn't do much at all and probably contributed to accelerated wear on things the the IFP shaft. Not surprising since dupont themselves suggest teflon isn't supposed to be used as an oil additive. I would change it out for 4wt motorex years ago and never had the same wear problems as forks that ran the 5wt for longer than a year. Once you have more bath oil volume like the grip dampers you can get away with thinner oil since you aren't relying on a tiny amount to cling to the bushings.
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Flatted-again
1 week, 2 days ago
Here is is!
https://www.pinkbike.com/news/photo-story-intend-bc-factory-tour-and-assembly-of-an-infinity-dh-fork.html
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SuspensionLab_JonoChurch
1 week, 2 days ago
Yeah I have seen that before - I know they feel pretty slick but aren't a brand I get to see much down here, so I don't know if there is any special reason that it suits the intend forks but for everything else I wouldn't use a teflon additive, or attempt to blend my own mixes full stop (because chemistry is hard!)
Jotegir
1 week, 2 days ago
Wow! The guy himself!
Would you say motorex supergliss is generally an adequate replacement for 20wt Gold and the 4wt motorex is a good replacement for 5wt teflon infused (assuming the new 4wt isnt simply rebranded motorex)?
For some reason, 20wt gold and 5wt teflon infused are perpetually difficult to get in Canada. It's always a crapshoot whether distributors have the stuff, let alone the LBS (for resale in any event) - I'm sure you can sympathize from the NZ perspective!
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SuspensionLab_JonoChurch
1 week, 2 days ago
Supergliss 100k is equivalent to 20wt gold in viscosity (100cSt, minus the "tackifiers" Fox adds) but both are too thick for most forks in my experience. I tested this stuff several years ago and was surprised by how much drag those oils add. Supergliss is a slideway oil (high load, low speed) so feels really nice at low speed and bouncing in the carpark but becomes problematic at high speed. Probably OK for short travel, small stanchion XC fork but I prefer something around the 50cSt mark. So the supergliss 68k is maybe still a little too thick and the 32k is probably good but theres better options IMO. And the 4wt motorex is a perfect replacement- thats exactly what the Fox branded stuff is.
And yeah both oils have always been inconsistent to get hold of here - another reason I like to stick with regular motorex oils so I can always use the same stuff.
Flatted-again
1 week, 2 days ago
Yeah, I just think it’s a hilarious picture. We talk about air pressures and oil amounts in such small increments, and then these guys are just pouring some amount into a beaker and calling it good.
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Dave Tolnai
1 week, 2 days ago
Thanks for all of your additions. It’s good to hear the experience of somebody running their own shop. I guess what lead to this piece was all of the conflicting advice. My thought was that if I could highlight some of the potential issues of just stuffing any old oil, at any old volume in, that might help people to make better decisions.
But then again, now we have another fox oil and potential questions of compatibility! It’s crazy there isn’t more transparency and guidance from the manufacturers.
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CSmtb
1 week, 3 days ago
I've been able to get some supergliss through S4 Suspension for the shop I work at (Cranked in Airdrie). They have it under 'Air Chamber Fluid' on their site. It comes in 125ml bottles at most but that's good enough for most fork services or three.
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Jotegir
1 week, 3 days ago
You can get bigger sizes, up to 4L. I believe it's just called "lowers lubricant". Check the part numbers:
big sizes
125 ml
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Kenny
1 week, 2 days ago
Here in North Van, suspensionwerx sell supergliss.
The also sell Ohlins oil which I believe is supergliss 68k, so if you have an Ohlins shop near you, that might be the ticket.
I've also heard that you can put supergliss 68k/Ohlins in pretty much anything.
I have a huge jug of the Ohlins oil and put it in everything.
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IslandLife
1 week, 4 days ago
It strikes me as odd that while Fox is super anal about the various oils and volumes needed in order for the fork to function properly, yet they seem to not care at all that for years now, every fork that comes from the factory is jammed up the wahzoo with so much fucking grease it rides like shit until you open it up and pull all the excess grease out.
Thanks Fox for the extra grease but maybe just provide it in a separate container with every fork vs jammed into the air spring?
This has been a problem for so long now... do they just not give a shit or is there some other reason for this? Dave can you email Jordie about this... it's driving me bananas!
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Bikes
1 week, 3 days ago
Grease is an assembly cost issue. High let quality assembly and qc, much higher cost.
Being anal about type and quantity of lubricant is an engineering and technical writer (manuals) issue, as well as warranty (cost) for stuff other do. Suspension action is subjective so poor action due to too much grease likely doesn’t get warrantied.
Anyway, thode two issues likely have two separate teams that have different drivers and I’d be surprised if the mfg team talks much to the technical team with regards this issues.
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SuspensionLab_JonoChurch
1 week, 2 days ago
Forks have not had too much grease in the air spring since about 2016/2017....not only do they have less grease now but the negative chamber volumes are so much bigger that its really hard to put too much in there. Some of the shorter travel 32/34 xc forks possibly have a bit much + the bath oil tends to ingest easily but thats not as noticeable on a cross country bike. If you wipe out the grease and it feels better its probably because you grease the dust wipers at the same time, and maybe topped up the foam rings that were dry from sitting around.....I see many forks that people have wiped too much grease out of, or assembled with the bare minimum and the friction (or wear) from the dry seals is 1000% times worse than how they felt when they were new.
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IslandLife
2 days, 23 hours ago
- 2021 Fox 36: Initial harsh ride, suspected too much grease. Remove air, fork stuck down due to grease clogging... pull, pull, pull, big squelch sound and it free'd up. Took it apart... gobs of grease, removed the grease... and put back together. Rode like butter.
- 2022 Fox 36: Same as above.
- 2023 Fox 36: Just took it apart before riding it - same shit.
- 2024 Fox 36: Just took it apart before riding it - same shit.
Anecdotally from friends and a couple local shops = this is still very much a normal thing. Maybe I just have bad luck or it's a conspiracy againts me. Deep state big fork trying to drive me nuts!
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olaa
1 week, 6 days ago
Gotta give some cred to Formula, included with my first Selva were oil, tools and a service set (o-rings, foam, etc). For us that don't have a bike shop nearby that is really nice!
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D_C_
1 week, 6 days ago
I get that you want to find the right oil if it’s going to end up in the damper, or it will alter your damping characteristics. But for bath oil with the sole purpose of lubricating the lowers, I doubt you need to be that specific, in spite of the official line from the manufacturer.
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D_C_
1 week, 5 days ago
Just to add - I was not aware of the possible seal swelling issue, as described below. I guess you need to be a little bit careful.
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SuspensionLab_JonoChurch
1 week, 2 days ago
Seal swelling is possible, but also if the oil is too thick it can be dragged past the seals and leak (also gets sucked in to the damper and air spring easier). Thick oil also adds a form of viscous damping at high speed. If the oil is too thin is doesn't lubricate as well under load so the fork is harsher and creates more wear. Personally I think Rockshox struck a good balance with its plush dynamic light and 0w30 (they are very similar) - not too thick or thin
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Sethimus
1 week, 4 days ago
but what if you have to service your upper leg instead?
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Nick Meulemans
1 week, 6 days ago
The easiest forks to service (by a large margin) have to be Manitou; I'm surprised you didn't give them a ring, Formula is low on my list, below the major players (Fox/Marz, RS, Suntour, Ohlins, EXT...)
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[email protected]
1 week, 3 days ago
I have always, after the initial first ever service, done the lowers myself. Little surprised you had issues getting the oil. Granted, most shops carry only 1L containers. Recently did the lowers in 38 GRIPX2. S4Suspenion was killer! Had the oil I needed in stock, sold it in smaller quantities, had the parts and recommend SKF seales. I am now a firm beleive in SKF seales over PEM. I am hey are green but barely noticeable and performance outshines asethcis. Feel great.
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Bikes
1 week, 3 days ago
The bike industry should adopt some type of sae like standard on oils…at least with regards to compatibility. The weights may give you crap performance but one shouldn’t have to worry about seals and lubrication quality within a spec viscosity range.
Anyway, I won’t hold my breath. The bike industry seems pretty fly by the pants but they market themselves as some type of engineering tour de force.
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Heinous
1 week, 6 days ago
Shout out to Cane Creek for making the Helm’s super easy to service at home.
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Nicolas Brunner
1 week, 4 days ago
Very interesting piece, thanks!
This emphasises the importance of good service manuals even more. Personally, I'm very satisfied with the way Rockshox/Sram handles this.
I do lower leg services on a regular basis, but the biggest pain-point of doing it IMHO is having to remove the fork. I have tried not removing it (just removing the brake caliper). However it was nearly impossible to hammer the bolts loose on the bottom of the fork with the entire bike in the working stand. Any tips on this?
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Shinook
1 week, 4 days ago
It's a pain to remove, but that's the best way to do it sadly. Leaving the fork on the bike is asking for trouble - either dirt/debris from the bike or some awkward movement (e.g. flipping it upside down) bending the rods.
The correct/best way to do it is remove the fork. It adds some nuisance and 5-10min but in the end, it's safer, less likely to do damage, and you'll be able to do the job cleaner doing so.
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Skooks
1 week, 3 days ago
I almost never remove the fork just for servicing the lowers. I put the bike on the ground upside down. Never had a problem knocking the foot studs loose.
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mnihiser
1 week, 4 days ago
I rotate the bike in the stand so it's nearly vertical and the bottom of the fork is about shoulder height. Drain pan underneath to catch the mess.
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Flatted-again
1 week, 3 days ago
Lower leg services have always been pretty easy as long as I’ve got the steps laid out in front of me and the right tools. The push seal driver has been great for getting seals in, but one thing that gives me pause every time is pulling the seals out. I’m fine using a box wrench to lever them out but it just seems like something can go wrong. This popped up recently (https://www.redsidemtb.com/product-page/fork-seal-remover)) and while it’s expensive compared to a box wrench, I’m tempted just for the piece of mind.
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Andy Eunson
1 week, 6 days ago
Here I can walk to S4 and buy what I need or book a service. Good reminder that one of my bikes needs a full fork service. But yeah a lowers service is dead easy for anyone with a few tools and some mechanical aptitude. Just about every time I perform that service I do a short test ride on the street and up and down the curbs and I usually wonder why I did not do it sooner the improvements are so noticeable.
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vantanclub
1 week, 6 days ago
For lower leg Rockshox, If you live in Vancouver go to Daytona or another motorcycle shop, they usually have a wall of suspension fluids that are ~$10-$20/L.
Check the CsT 40 against this https://www.peterverdone.com/wiki/images/a/a7/PVD-ISO-Viscosity-Data.gif
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ShawMac
1 week, 5 days ago
On of the the things I love about Fluid Function is they have all the Maxima oils, and are really quite happy to hear you are servicing your own forks and shocks. They even provided me advice on oils and service.
I love doing my own suspension service, but after doing my own rear damper service, it became abundantly clear that it wasn't worth my time for that one when Fluid Function is so fast and reasonably priced for Rockshox, and just down the road. The Charger 1, 2 and 2.1 dampers in forks were really easy. Haven't done a Charger 3.
My new DH build is a Fox 40, and I immediately started planning my first services by trying to look for the right oils and what is an acceptable equivalent to the Fox oils that are 3x the price. It was challenging. The other frustrating thing was sourcing the foam rings if you don't want the full service kit. With my RS forks, I was able to get a bag of 40 or 50 35mm rings for about $20 which meant lots of quick and easy lower services. I haven't found anything similar for Fox 40 unless its from Alibaba which I am not sure I would trust.
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Jotegir
1 week, 5 days ago
S4 has foam rings for 40s but they aren't OEM. Not aliexpress either but they worked fine when I was doing the stocking orders for our shop.
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ShawMac
1 week, 5 days ago
Sweet. Good to know. I also see that RWC sells an aftermarket ring set for $4 US, so 10 sets of those would probably worth the order too.
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King Cardbeard
1 week, 2 days ago
How old is this research? Fox 5 teflon infused is no longer being produced they now recommend fox 4wt.
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Dave Tolnai
1 week, 2 days ago
That’s fair. I did write most of this a fair while ago, as the answers were rolling in. I sat on it for a long time as we waited for other responses. Spring felt like a good time to roll it out, as well.
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