Bike Review

Chromag Primer 27+

Words Pete Roggeman
Photos Dave Smith
Date Feb 9, 2017

For some time, a thought had been forming in the back of my mind. Even if I didn’t think about hardtails too often, I knew that spending time on one would be good for me, in an “eat your broccoli, Peter” kind of way. The thought was worming its way in, but I was content to push the broccoli around the plate and tuck back in on some steak.

And then a few things came together and all of a sudden I had a gorgeous Sky Blue Chromag Primer built up. The time for excuses was coming to an end. The time had come for a few forkfuls of broccoli.

Primer -Fox 36 plus

The Chromag Primer is designed to work with 27+ or 29″ wheels. It is also designed to gobble up trails.

If you missed it, have a glance at the first look, where I covered the Chromag Primer’s geometry, build, and other details.

Learning to ride the Chromag Primer

I was coming back to a hardtail for the first time in about 12 years so this is just as much about that process. Initially, I’ll admit to feeling all kinds of apprehension. What if I can’t hack it? What if I hate it? Will I be slow and not be able to ride with my buddies when I want to ride the Primer?

Chromag Primer Review | | Riders: Cam McRae & Pete Roggeman | Location: Cypress | Trail: Upper Tall Can

Switching to a hardtail may make you feel undergunned at first, but you get over it pretty quickly.

I needn’t have worried, and I won’t keep you in suspense: I bloody love this bike. But it wasn’t an overnight process. It went something like this…

Ride one: the Shake Down. Took it out solo, for about an hour on a few mellow trails. Forgot that riding mellow trails means ‘go fast’, and also forgot that I was riding a hardtail. Rode right off a bridge and smacked into a tree. Ok, dummy, let’s just give it a bit of time to get used to the new mustang before we head to the rodeo.

Ride two: more shaking down, more speed, less crashing into trees. Despite its ~29 lb. weight and 3″ tires, this bike climbs faster than expected. Taking some time to find ideal tire pressure in the WTB Bridger 3.0s (I’ve settled btwn. 12-14 psi front and 13-16 rear, depending on terrain and conditions).

Rides 3-6: Somewhere around ride #4 or 5, I felt like I was getting used to riding a hardtail, for real. Then came Expresso, a flow trail on Mt Fromme with a few rough bits. Rode from start to finish which is 5-6 minutes if you don’t stop. Managed decent speed, kept it together everywhere, but definitely felt my hands and ankles at the bottom of the trail. Remembered that riding a hardtail used to be more punishing, even for 25-year old me. I also enjoyed how it scooted out of corners and how accelerations had just a little more pop.

Ride 7: Time for another slice of “you suck” pie. Hit a 3′ drop at speed, thinking: “the fork and tires will eat this shit up”. Actually, the problem was I wasn’t thinking at all. Forget to use my legs and arms to absorb the impact, blow a foot right off the pedal, and almost careen into the bushes. On a flat, wide piece of trail. Manage to hold it together and make the next turn. Maybe I don’t suck, but I’ll think about that feeling in my ankles the next 7-8 times I hit drops on the Primer. It also forced me to improve my technique a bit – no matter what bike I’m on. Bikes with 5″ of travel make you lazy.

Rides 8-12: Feeling like maybe I’m figuring out how to ride a hardtail. Can’t help but notice, though, that I still mostly ride this bike when I’m out with people who ride at a more casual level, but not with my regular riding crew. I don’t want to be the guy that forgot to pack his parachute. Going to have to deal with that eventually.

Rides 13-18: Cam steals the bike! Truth be told, I hadn’t ridden it in a few weeks because I was going from one press camp to the next and hadn’t had time to get back to it. Cam loves the thing. I’m jealous and plot the day when I’ll steal it back.

Chromag Primer review | | Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Mt Seymour

Winter 2016/17 in Vancouver has meant something novel: riding in snow and ice. Surprisingly, conditions have been outstanding almost all winter. And it’s been a perfect way to get used to the Primer and take advantage of its Plus-size capability.

Ride 19: #Snowmageddon strikes Vancouver. I ride in the snow a few times with a 165mm bike with high volume 2.5″ Maxxis Minions. Realize that the WTB Bridger 3.0 tires on the Primer are what is really called for, so I complete my plan to steal the Primer back from Cam when he’s distracted by a shiny new bike. Turns out to be the perfect choice. There are some spicy moments: steeps, ice-covered rock, unpredictable snow depth, but I forgot about what bike I was on and just focused on riding the thing. Between the many hungry knobs and sipes on the WTB Bridgers, I had ample grip. The lack of rear suspension meant nothing in the softer conditions – all that really mattered was finding traction and keeping it.

Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Mt Seymour

After getting such a good taste for snow riding this year, we’re really going to miss it when it melts. And it’ll probably be years before we ever see a winter like this again.

That was December 15th (or so). I haven’t ridden any other bike since then but I have been riding a lot. Sometimes in soft snow on steeps, sometimes firm, packed snow on flatter, faster trails. Other times in a mix of slush, mud, and loam. The full gamut of winter north shore conditions. I am now a full-fledged hardtail convert. No longer do I worry about who I’m riding with or what trail we’re riding before deciding to bring the Primer.

I bloody love this bike. But it wasn’t an overnight process.

The snow has melted and I’ve put some time in on dirt, on trails that demand your attention, and will rap your knuckles if you fall asleep in class. There have been a few days where I just didn’t have it, and when that happens, there’s less to rely on to get me through. Those days have been rare, though, and in general, I have enjoyed the simplicity of riding a hardtail, as well as how it has changed me as a rider and reminded me of some things I had forgotten.

Great, but how does it ride?

The Primer’s geometry is progressive. Not ‘progressive for a hardtail’. Progressive, period. The chaps at Chromag are hardtail aficionados and they ride everything Whistler has to offer without rear suspension – sometimes for 4 or 5 hours at a time. The Primer is their first cut at a plus-friendly frame that also accepts 29″ wheels, but it also represents the vanguard of their aggressive geometry. A 65-degree head tube angle and looong reach numbers combine with 16.3″ (415mm) stays and a 12.6″ (320mm) BB height (w/ 160mm fork).

Chromag Primer Review | | Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Cypress | Trail: Upper Tall Can

The Chromag Primer was designed for quintessential North Shore riding. And nothing is more quintessential shore than Cypress Mountain.

While we’ve gotten used to numbers like these for long-travel trail bikes (AM, Enduro, whatever), this is a bit different for a hardtail. And it’s certainly part of the reason I got myself into trouble a few times early on. The riding position felt very familiar and very comfortable and that had me entering sections with more oompf than I may have been ready for until I got used to it. But most people (me included) are going to ride just a bit more slowly on a hardtail – that seems normal, right? So you may want a slightly steeper head angle and a slightly higher BB. Not me, though, and not in our terrain. I’ll give up a bit of front end quickness in exchange for confidence when it gets steep.

Like with any other bike with a lazy head angle, the more aggressive you are with your inputs, the better it corners. So, trust your tires and tip it over, and be rewarded. The Primer is snappy coming out of a corner, but I wouldn’t call it nimble when you’re going side to side in short order. I’m not calling it sluggish, either. The lack of rear suspension gives it an extra measure of responsiveness, but this is a Corvette, not a Lotus Elise. Short chainstays mean you can get it around but that long front end likes to track at speed. Let me also remind you that so far I’ve been running it with huge tires and wide rims – I fully expect the 29-inch experience to change the feel a bit. All things in good time…

Chromag Primer Review | | Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Mt Seymour

Body english is so important. Working on my grammar on Sticks ‘n Stones, Mt Seymour.

Let’s talk about how this bike pedals. If you’ve ever owned a steel hardtail, you’ll remember the subtle, silky feeling as you turn over the pedals. That’s flex, hoss, and it’s nice. Look, this is not a light bike, and the wheels are not spritely, so acceleration isn’t violent. However, once you’re spun up to speed, it ticks along nicely and carries momentum well. Without trying, I’ve put in some decent climbing efforts and found myself remembering that a hardtail – even one with a big fork, fat tires, and burly components – can feel like an efficient pedaler.

Chromag Primer Review | | Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Mt Seymour

I generally left the Primer’s climb switch in the Open position…

Not surprisingly, technical climbs are not the Primer’s favourite pool hall. When the trail tilts up and gets rough, pay attention. Steep and smooth is cruisy. Flat and finicky is fine. The wrong side of the matrix just requires your A-game.

Things I’ve learned

Clipless pedals are great because I’m used to them and they do keep my feet planted better when the rear end is shaking me around. But I switched to flats when the snow arrived and have been on them for two months now. That led to a few raised eyebrows. “You’re going from clipped in on a dualie to flats on a hardtail? Aren’t you worried about being bounced off?” I was worried at first, but you get better at gripping and feeling the pedals so it becomes less of an issue. You can GTFO the bike more easily which is handy when you get in over your head – which I find has happened more often than normal as I get used to the hardtail. Mix it up. Enjoy the change.

Saddles are always important because they’re a contact point, but they’re even more important on a hardtail. The Chromag Trailmaster LTD is a husky fella and has slightly more cushion in the nose which works well if you perch there on steep climbs. It’s not a featherweight at 320 grams, but the comfort is worth it. A brand that specializes in hardtails knows a thing or two about saddle design. The heavy duty leather holds up well to mud and moisture. Occasionally it gets a bit rough after it’s been wet, but a dry ride with a softer fabric over your bum will buff it right back out again.

Gear selection and line choice on technical climbs is more important than on a dualie. Mashing only works for a bit, and then you’ll get bounced off line and dab.

Line selection is always more important on a hardtail but the firm rear end makes it fun to double over things that would otherwise make it a bad day.

You will become very aware of where your back wheel is. Aiming the front and letting the rear wheel follow is not enough – you often have to place both wheels. This will make you more precise.

Chromag Primer review | | Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Mt Seymour

The North Shore gives you lots of opportunities to learn precision. Snow just adds more fun.

If you’re reading this, it’s quite likely you are also thinking about adding a hardtail to the mix. Perhaps you’re already a tribe member, in which case I hope to be able to provide enough about my impressions to inform your future decision.

Component Performance

Hardtails make great test bikes. Components and their performance are easier to isolate when the rear wheel isn’t suspended, and the narrower margin for error means I get closer to the edge of control more often. This is partly because I still often ride into sections at speeds reserved for more skill or more suspension, and partly because that’s just the way it is on a hardtail: some terrain is a bit hairier, and always will be.

Tires. Wheels. Brakes. Your Fork. Bars. Saddle. These things are critical.

DT Swiss Spline ONE 40mm wheels and WTB Bridger 3.0 Tires
I’m going to start with the wheels and tires because they’re a big part of the story with this bike, and have been significant so far in a range of conditions. This is a meaty wheel/tire combo. Lying in wait are some Maxxis Minion DHF/DHR in 27.5 x 2.8 that I can’t wait to try and compare, but the constant onslaught of snow has kept me opting for the extra flotation of the Bridgers, even though I’m sure the chunky Minions will provide more bite.

Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Cypress | Trail: Pull Tab

You’ll never meet a rider on the shore that doesn’t have an opinion about tires. Small wonder.

The WTB Bridger 3.0s have been good for intermediate aggressive riding, and great in hard and loose over hardpack, as well as snow (soft, crusty, and firm). Rock face grip is only so-so, and the rubber compound isn’t the stickiest, so there are times when the wide tire still breaks loose over slick sections. With that said, the round profile is very predictable when being leaned over, until you reach the edge, and then you really lose ’em. In the snow, this is a blast. In dirt it’s also a blast, actually, but I’m looking forward to trying something with a little more beef on the sides. The knobs are small and quite tightly spaced for our conditions up here, but they have been shedding mud well and dig into soft dirt admirably – just not as well as a more aggressive tread would. Still, given their better than expected rolling performance, I wouldn’t complain about running these tires year roundup here. Sidewall support is good, but should be given the tire’s weight (~1170g which isn’t light but this is a proper 3″ tire so it’s all relative). The leading edges of the knobs are ramped, and they have sipes aplenty.

Chromag PRIMER - DT SWISS - 27.5+ rim detail

The 40mm wide DT Swiss Spline ONE XM 1501 wheels do a great job of handling the 3.0″ WTB Bridger tires. They have put up with abuse as I’ve been re-learning the art of riding a hardtail.

The 40mm wide XM 1501 Spline ONE wheels from DT Swiss are holding up well. They’re a wide rim that, in combination with the Bridgers, make for a very substantial amount of alloy and rubber. They are stiff but not harsh, and despite some hard hits, they’re still straight as shower rods. I can’t remember any spokes pinging when they were new, and none have come loose. The 36 tooth star ratchet hubs offer a 10-degree engagement angle, which is good if not as excellent as the near instant engagement of some competitors – I’ll likely get a 54t upgrade kit and report back. Still, even if DT aren’t the blingiest hubs, they just don’t fail, they’re light as a sparrow’s ear and solid as a rhino’s arse. Safe as houses. At 1,850g for the wheelset, there’s nothing to complain about weight-wise for a wheel of this girth.

Chromag Primer - rear tire clearance

Available only in 27.5 x 3.0, the Bridger is WTB’s dedicated Plus tire for aggressive use. They are testing the clearance limits of the Chromag Primer, but have handled most of what I have thrown at them during winter on the shore.

Fox Factory 36 Float 29″
On a hardtail, your fork is like your Maginot Line. Wait, that’s a terrible analogy. Let’s call it the first but in a way it’s also your last line of defense. The Chromag Primer is optimized for a 140-160mm fork up front, so you can be damn sure I maxed that out like an AmEx in December. Fox’s FIT HSC/LSC damper is a hot number and given how much abuse the front end takes, I’m really happy with the way it rides. It absolutely needed two spacers, but the way I have it set up has provided good small bump compliance and crucial progressivity so that I can hit things with the front end and not bottom out. Here’s what I’m running right now (when the snow melts and steeper trails open up, I’ll add a bit more HSC):

Spacers: one yellow + one blue
Air: 78 psi (Sag ~25%)
HSC: 10 out from closed
LSC: 15 out from closed

Chromag Primer Review | | Rider: Pete Roggeman | Location: Cypress | Trail: Upper Tall Can

Your fork is always important. Never more so than with a hardtail. Especially on chunky steps and steep chutes. Fox 36? Fox 36.

What do you expect from XTR? Perfection? Well, yeah. And that’s what I have to report.

Shimano XTR brakes
Powerful and consistent. They do take a while to warm up in this cold weather and squeal like bastards until that happens, but there is also likely a bit of contamination in the pads from stuff the snow is picking up, and even road salt from riding on the road. Performance is unaffected. The lever feel, adjustability, and consistency of the XTR Trails is terrific. I’m running 180mm rotors front and back and in these conditions that’s been fine, but if I were riding valley trails in Whistler I’d think about a 200 up front. The importance of good brakes is amplified without rear suspension to save your ass when you mess up. I expect to go through brake pads a bit more quickly as a result.

Chromag Primer - Rear dropout detail

Shimano XTR Trail brakes and 180mm rotors are reliable high performers. Bonus: that frame detailing.

Shimano XTR drive train
The Primer is designed around a 1x setup and I have a 32 up front and an 11-42 on the back. What do you expect from XTR? Perfection? Well, yeah. And that’s what I have to report. I’m waiting a bit longer to install a 44 in the back and also have one of Shimano’s new XT front rings which is supposed to offer better chain retention, but so far that has not been an issue. I have hit some choppy sections at speed but not nearly what I expect to encounter once the trails are clear.

Primer - Rear cluster

With an 11-42 rear cluster and a 32t front ring, the Primer is capably-geared. But I’ll soon be adding an 11-44 XT cogset to add a bit more range. Shifting has been perfect and I haven’t dropped a chain yet.

Chromag Primer - Chromag trailmaster seat

The Race Face Turbine Dropper has been flawless so far – even in cold weather.

Race Face Turbine Dropper post
I want to give this unit a bit more time because just like wheels, a dropper post can’t be tested quickly. But so far I have had only positive experiences with Race Face’s new Turbine. This has included consistent performance in cold weather. The thumb shifter has a bit of cable play and rattles slightly but it doesn’t affect performance and this feels like a small complaint. I like the return speed, which isn’t fast but it is smooth. Everything is well-constructed in typical Race Face fashion. Installation was fairly straightforward and it has to be said that RF’s product manuals are easier to follow than any others I’ve seen.

Primer - Turbine thumb detail

The optional Turbine dropper Hop-Up lever gives you a shifter-style orientation that is intuitive and ergonomic in use.

Chromag OSX 35 bar, HiFi 35 stem, Palmskin grips
Having spent the majority of my time on carbon bars over the last few years, I must say that the feel of an alloy bar is nice to come back to. Just a wee bit of flex and the knowledge that, like the steel frame, the bars will last a long time. The OSX 35 are wide, stout, and good looking bars. Due to the long 473mm reach of the size L Primer frame (complete geo here) and my propensity for short stems, a 35mm length HiFi 35 stem was my choice, and I remain happy with the quick steering and super precise feel. The Palmskin grips are a bit softer and grippier so you can ride ’em bareback. I usually wear gloves but like the grips either way.

Chromag Primer - hifi35 stem

Chromag HiFi 35 stem (in 35mm length). Who wouldn’t want a couple of bears grabbing their hairy crotches on a stem?

I was overdue to step back from all the cutting edge bikes I had been riding and be reminded about the simple joy of a good steel bike. I rode hardtails for years before dualies were attainable for me, or even very good, so there’s no question that some of what I was feeling was nostalgia for those early days of ‘riding technical‘*.

*You should watch the whole thing, but the reference is at 1:30 if you’re not familiar with it.

Primer - chainsaw sticker


Do you hardtail? Do you wish you did? Or wish that you wish you did?


Feb. 12, 2017, 11:27 a.m. -  Rob Gretchen

Great review….loving my Surface in 27+ guise… the seat angle definitely takes some getting used to… it doesn't quite feel right until the going gets really steep… and then guess what.. it feels right…


Feb. 11, 2017, 2:20 p.m. -  megrim

Great write up, Pete. I think thought many of the same things when I got my Primer. I thought the bike ride a lot differently between the 29 vs 2.8 Minion plus tires. I've got the 29 wheels kicking around, if you want to give them a go…



Feb. 12, 2017, 10:39 a.m. -  Pete Roggeman

Thanks, Megrim. I have equivalent DT Swiss wheels in 29 form waiting for the switch, to keep things consistent.


Feb. 11, 2017, 12:49 p.m. -  jaydubmah

Great review Pete! - I appreciate the candour of the learning process getting back on the hard-tail wagon. I'm looking forward to hearing how the primer rolls with 29'er wheels vs the 27.5+. Also, do you, or anyone out there have real-world experience on the Chromag Surface compared to the Primer?

Also - it seems like the Rootdown geometry has been redesigned to match that as the Primer - so, could be a more affordable option at the expense of the gorgeous hand-built frame…


Feb. 11, 2017, 3:18 p.m. -  megrim

I've ridden the primer in both 2.8 plus and 29. Different beasts for sure. And I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other. Read Cams take on plus vs 29 on the SC Tallboy. Pretty much sums up my experience too.
However, I would choose to ride the plus in the cold and the wet and the 29 in the dry.


Feb. 11, 2017, 4:49 p.m. -  jaydubmah

Thanks for the beta, and I'll check out Cam's thoughts on the Tallboy. Cheers!

Feb. 12, 2017, 10:40 a.m. -  Pete Roggeman

I haven't spent time on a Surface so I can't help you there. Your Rootdown assessment is accurate.


Feb. 11, 2017, 11:41 a.m. -  Reinhard Wagner

Hi Pete,
very nice review, thanks for the insights and also the nice pics. I'm on a '13 Honzo since 3 years, after riding dualies for more than 10, I made much of the same experiences that you describe. It seems the time is just right for these new school hardtails - geo numbers, oneby drivetrains allowing short chainstays, and the availability of dropper posts, solid 29er wheels.
I'd be curious to test a Chromag Primer, but I'm afraid their availability in continental Europe is non-existent 🙁



Feb. 12, 2017, 10:44 a.m. -  Pete Roggeman

Hi Reinhard, thanks for the comment. Chromag does have distribution in some European countries but testing one before buying might be a challenge unless you know just the right people. Here's the distribution list:[HTML_REMOVED]view=article[HTML_REMOVED]id=1130[HTML_REMOVED]Itemid=551


Feb. 11, 2017, 11:12 a.m. -  ZigaK

Just thought it looks familiar:
The caption is hilarious: Tight and awkward? Not where this bike shines – but who wants to ride that shit anyways?


Feb. 11, 2017, 1:35 p.m. -  Morgan Taylor

@boomforeal look at that!


Feb. 11, 2017, 1:36 p.m. -  Morgan Taylor

I shot this photo, and I didn't even make that connection. Stare at it long enough and you'll find Red the dog!


Feb. 11, 2017, 6:44 p.m. -  boomforeal



Feb. 10, 2017, 6:27 p.m. -  Andy Eunson

How did you get along with that 75° seat tube angle? I know one guy that suffered knee pain within a week of riding a hardtail with such a steep SA. I know personally I can't ride a road bike that steep without a seat post with serious setback. I had a Scott with a 75 SA and an FSA post with 35 mm setback. Mountainbikes are not road bikes but still, I have long femurs.


Feb. 10, 2017, 7:15 p.m. -  DrewM

It's an interesting question…

Although, from the photos, Pete has his saddle pushed far forward on a post with little offset (lots of rearward adjustment left if he wanted it effectively slacker) so I'm guessing it works great for him.

Actually, assuming the geometry is all listed as un-sagged (75-degree STA / 65-degree HTA with 160mm fork) with 20% sag (32mm) and Pete's 160mm Fox 36 being already 4mm shorter that the stock Lyrik (567mm vs. 571mm) the STA is going to be notably steeper than advertised when pedaling the bike. Bleeding edge steep.

Speaking strictly from numbers-on-paper it certainly wouldn't work for me.

But, it's good to have many different fit options on the market so if it works for Pete guaranteed it works for plenty of people.


Feb. 10, 2017, 11:15 p.m. -  Wacek Keepshack

Reasons for knee pain are hard to identify, it can come from anything. Mine comes when I don't keep them warm enough. A certain feature of a mountain bike where we move around seems to be the last to blame. No1 culprit is always a Clinical issue, either from injury or genetic then no2 is insufficient hip stability which is adressed by lifting stuff on the gym or doing lots of legitimate Yoga. Most bikes these days have 74+ seat angles. To me personally it makes little sense how it could make it worse for the knees because the steeper the SA the closer your body is to running position which we evolved to through last several hundreds of thousands of years. I'd sooner expect fatbike riders to be complaining on knee pain due to the humungous Q-Factor. Have you exprimented with crank arm length? What pedals do you run? Low hip stability + clipless pedals with lots of float, making your foot unstable is a very bad combo. To sum up knee pain: Doctor [HTML_REMOVED] Gym [HTML_REMOVED] crankset/ pedal type then keep them warm and pedal standing as much as you can, let your body work as it is built by evolution.

Cheers! Good luck, I hate to be out from riding because of knee pain, it's one of the worst feelings to not be able to trust a knee when wanting to push hard. Ewww


Feb. 11, 2017, 4:34 a.m. -  boomforeal

I had a first generation chromag samurai. 6'2″ on a large frame, the 71 sta was the only thing I disliked about that bike. currently on a last-generation chromag surface with a 73 sta, no offset seat post and my saddle slammed forward, which is better - but for steep up and down riding, I dream of 75/76*…

ftr I run a Thomson layback post on my road bike, saddle slammed back on a 72* sta frame - apples and oranges


Feb. 12, 2017, 10:46 a.m. -  Pete Roggeman

My femurs aren't that long. At 6'1 I have a 32″ inseam.


Feb. 12, 2017, 11:27 a.m. -  Andy Eunson

Stumpy. I'm maybe 5'5″ but my inseam is 31.

Feb. 10, 2017, 11:27 a.m. -  Garrett Thibault

Great write-up Pete. I always have trouble going back to a hardtail after a bit of time on a full-sus too. I find it really helpful if I can follow behind someone who's close to my speed, but I usually lead with on my full-suspension bike. It basically sets the speed and lets me work on the form and line choice.


Feb. 10, 2017, 9:30 a.m. -  james

a rollicking review of a fascinating bike. what a looker. i've wondered about that head angle, so incredibly slack, but probably what's needed to ride with confidence in its terroir.


Feb. 10, 2017, 4:33 p.m. -  Perry Schebel

Because of the lack of rear sag, hardtails should (IMO) be sitting at 1-2 degrees (depending on fork travel) slacker than a dually of similar design intent. This is probably hovering around 66.5* sagged, so spot on in terms of contemporary trailbike geo.


Feb. 10, 2017, 7:16 p.m. -  Cooper

Yeah, hardails only get steeper as the suspension compresses, so the static HTA can seem a bit extreme, but actually isn't.

I think mine is somewhere around 63.5/64 static HTA.

Feb. 10, 2017, 9:26 a.m. -  Merwinn

Nice write-up and a good read. Recommended. Wish my old Stiffee frame could take the big wheels. Have a friend who ponied up for the GX build Primer with 29″ wheels with the same colour. A beaut of a bike. Will there be a part deux highlighting your experience with wagon wheels? Or am I just too tired to remember what I just read?


Feb. 10, 2017, 12:04 p.m. -  Pete Roggeman

Thanks, Merwinn. You can be forgiven for not remembering it all because I think that was 3,000 words. Yes, I'll be reporting back again after the switch to 29″ wheels and will also give some thoughts after I've put 2.8 Minions on front and back.


Feb. 10, 2017, 9:04 a.m. -  brumos

Curious, have you installed the 54T star ratchet yet? If so, any noticeable, real world difference?
I'm running a 36T and thinking to up it to 54T as well, but most of what i've researched says it's not worth the $$$. There's also the durability issue… more teeth = shallow, less contact between teeth engagement.


Feb. 10, 2017, 12:04 p.m. -  Pete Roggeman

Not yet. Working on getting one sent from DT. I'll be updating on that as well if I get it on there.


Feb. 10, 2017, 1:19 p.m. -  Jan

I have a 54T on my 350 hub (also on a chromag, FWIW). I wouldn't go back, the difference is night and day particularly on technical climbs. Indeed, it's an expensive upgrade and was hard to justify.
I've opened up the hub twice to check the internals and it's as clean as the day I installed it. No reliability issues yet knocks on wood
It also makes a lovely sound with with DT ratchet grease (Not nearly as imposing as an Hadley, i9 or CK, but still evident)


Feb. 10, 2017, 3:58 p.m. -  brumos

Good to hear! How long have you been using it?

Feb. 10, 2017, 6:21 p.m. -  Andy Eunson

Word of caution. Use a light grease that isn't sticky and as little as possible. Too much can cause the star ratchet to stick a bit in the toothed bore and skipping can result. I wrecked a 36 tooth that way.

Feb. 9, 2017, 10:24 a.m. -  ExtraSpecialandBitter

My first ride back on a hardtail was after running an ultra the day before and lets just say it only lasted 5 minutes. I had just picked up the bike and was riding up Bridle Path and tried to lay down some power to go up and over a rock. The extra power and lack of traction made my rear wheel spin and my front end did not lift up at all. The front wheel hit the rock and I made an awkward front flip / endo and used my face to cushion the blow on the rock and landed on my quad on another rock. The stress from the day before and the impact on my leg gave me dead leg (which was agonizing). I couldn't bend my knee enough to ride for 2 weeks after that, so I think your first ride actually went pretty smooth. 😀 Since then I've become a big fan, it just took some getting used to.


Feb. 10, 2017, 10:59 a.m. -  Cam McRae

Trial by fire!


Feb. 10, 2017, 12:05 p.m. -  Pete Roggeman

Dead leg sounds horrible. So do ultra marathons. Either way: respect.


Feb. 10, 2017, 1:41 p.m. -  DJ

maybe i'll just avoid a hardtail trial by fire after reading that…..
BTW best internet handle ever.


Feb. 10, 2017, 1:49 p.m. -  ExtraSpecialandBitter

Thanks! I don't think most people fall going uphill… just me. And considering how painful it was, it went away pretty quickly, so it wasn't that bad.
I thought it was more rare, but I wonder what the percentage of 'getting back on a hardtail' riders eat it their first ride out. We need you to help us find the data!

Feb. 10, 2017, 4:52 p.m. -  Nat Brown

Count me as #2. OTB uphill too, but without anything more than some lost skin.

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