
Full Review
2025 Santa Cruz Vala eMTB
Many of the e-curious seem to be looking for something a little different in an eMTB, and larger manufacturers are trying to cover all the bases. Maybe you are looking something to replace shuttles that take you to long gnarly descents, so you want all the power and all the travel; a dh bike with an electric assist. Some of you are considering something that isn't as big a leap from the trail stealthy bike you still enjoy riding, particularly in weight, but you'd like a little more vertical, distance and speed than your heart, lungs and legs will provide. Maybe even something that could pass as a pedal bike.
My suspicion is that most riders are somewhere in the middle, not wanting a beast they think will be hard to handle in their every day terrain but still capable descending when they approach the limit of their abilities and experience or go on a trip to Whistler, Moab or the Alps, and with enough power and battery capacity that they won't get dropped chasing their buddies who have already dipped a toe into the electric pond. If you are in that last category, this could be the kind of eMTB you've been looking for.

The Vala loves the steeps on Cypress Mountain in West Vancouver, and getting up to them. I was tempted to overfork the bike to 170 but it kept surprising me with what it could do with the stock travel in the low and slack position.
What is the Vala?
If this is the first you've heard of this bike, and you missed my first impressions review, the Vala is a new eMTB platform for Santa Cruz. You could call it a replacement for the 2023 Heckler(not to be confused with the Heckler SL) and it has a similar use case, geometry numbers and travel (160 front and 150 rear). So why did Santa Cruz break tradition and run with a new name? One with deep roots in the company at that?
2025 Santa Cruz Vala Highlights
- BOSCH Performance Line CX 85Nm motor
- 600 Wh battery (250 Wh aftermarket extender)
- MX (mullet!) Wheel (29 front, 27 rear)*
- 150mm Rear Travel
- 160mm Fork Travel
- SM-XXL Frame Sizes
- CC & C Carbon Frames
- All bikes under 50lb (22.7kg)
- Adjustable Geo
- Adjustable Progression
- Four Bar Suspension (with Horst Link)
- Size-specific rear centres

The Vala cuts a nice silhouette, and one that is distinct from other Santa Cruz bikes past and present. For more on spec. frame details and construction, check my first impressions piece on the Vala. Photo - Deniz Merdano
The now-discontinued Santa Cruz Heckler is powered by a Shimano motor and by most accounts, it works pretty well. This time around Santa Cruz was eyeing up the Bosch Performance CX motor and they found they couldn't hit the kinematic numbers they were looking for using VPP because of the size and alignment of the Bosch Motor. In particular, the engineers were looking for lower anti-squat values. Getting the number right meant choosing another motor or swapping VPP for another suspension platform. Santa Cruz chose the latter, going with the Horst Link design that until 2014 was controlled by Specialized. This caused much brouhaha on social media, mainly from riders of bikes from other brands, but not so much from Santa Cruz customers. My take is that I'll choose the bike that works better over the one that uses a particular suspension platform, whether it works with the platform or not. And this one works pretty well.

eMTBs corner really well thanks to the low-slung weight.
I have ridden this bike a lot, particularly in the last month. We had an incredibly dry and sunny January and the trails were mint. While it was snowing in New Orleans and on the Florida Panhandle, we were enjoying dry trails and temps that would freeze up over night to firm up the trails and then warm up during the day; as close to perfection as you can get. Since then it's been chilly but the snow riding has been pretty good as well. In six months I've gotten to know the Vala pretty well, and the news has been mostly rainbows, unicorns and brown pow.

Peanut butter berms in January. Photo - Deniz Merdano
The Buddy Test
When I'm testing a bike I often let some of my riding buddies borrow it. This gives me some good feedback and allows me to get second opinions for my impressions. This was one of the most universally well-received bikes I've loaned out. Riders called it easy to get comfortable on, described the chassis as solid ("typical Santa Cruz"). The Maven brakes and Schwalbe Radial tires were also very well-received. These match my impressions closely and I think one reason why riders who weren't used to eMTBs felt so comfortable was because of how closely this resembles a pedal bike. In fact, it feels more like an Amish bike* than any other full-powered bike I've ridden. Much of this is to do with the svelte weight of just under 21.8kg/48lbs on my scale.
*Used ironically of course. And it's actually ironic; the Amish do in fact ride e-bikes but they only charge them with solar power (power from God). True story.

The Vala likes ferns.
One Problem Solved - Mysteriously
When I first rode the Vala I was smitten. This happened more quickly than usual despite the very challenging trails we started with. The overwhelming sensations were balance and composure. We were riding terrain that was mostly very steep and quite rocky and rough on the first day and I rode lines that were close to the limit of my abilities with some confidence. Everything seemed rosy and pretty much perfect until I got the bike back on the North Shore. The bike continued to be fine on lower speed tech trails or faster lines that were relatively smooth, but when speed ramped up, and the trail surface was very rough or loose, that early confidence and composure was gone. The bike felt skittish and a little unpredictable. I wondered at the time if I just hadn't set the bike up well enough for that condition so I went over my settings again. Everything seemed fine but the skittishness persisted.

The Vala with the Bosch PowerMore range extender attached. It adds 250Wh to the 600Wh that comes with the bike for lots of ride time.
Searching for a solution, I started from scratch on the suspension set up, removing all the air from shock and fork, and I arrived at roughly the same spot. My suspicion was there could be a problem up front so I pulled up on the fork from the handlebars (while holding the wheel between my feet) to make sure there wasn't lube clogging a port. I also opened the relief valves to see if there was air pressure building up in the lower legs. I didn't notice any air release and the ride height of the fork hadn't seemed low so I assumed I hadn't solved anything.
Despite everything seeming fine, and changing nothing, the problem went away after that. It may have been related to the fork in some way but, considering I didn't identify a problem, it could have been something else, like me. Sometimes when a bike feels off I wonder if I'm the system that is glitching. It seems unlikely though, considering the bike only felt off in one particular trail condition. What I can now say with some certainty is that the problem wasn't the geometry or kinematics of the Vala. This was a problem that either wasn't a problem, or one that cleared up mysteriously.

The Bosch Powermore range extender uses an interface that bolts into the water bottle mounts to allow a quick swap between bottle cage (included with the Powermore) and extender. The extra height makes a large bottle a little tight on a large frame, but the bottle went in and out easily.
Bosch PowerMore Range Extender
When the bike arrived I was promised a battery booster but it didn't arrive in time for my first article about the bike. I've been using the bike exclusively with the Powermore attached lately and I haven't been able to kill the combination of the 600Wh internal battery and the 250Wh extender for a total of 850Wh. I was on a night ride recently with a bunch of fast characters and we did two top to bottoms of Mount Fromme, led by Wade Simmons himself, climbing exclusively on singletrack. We did around 1100m/3600' of climbing and covered roughly 20km/12m and I finished with 34% of the combined 850Wh still to burn. I didn't spare the horses much because of the pace and I spent most of the ride in boost. Another ride was a little longer with 1325m/4350' of climbing and 26.6km/16.6m distance and I finished with 18% of that same 850Wh after 3:06 riding time.* Similarly, I spent a lot of time in boost and I was hammering pretty hard (for me). Both of these rides were done in chilly weather which has a significant impact on battery life but hopefully these are still useful as reference points.
For reference, yesterday I did a quick rip in the snow without the Powermore and I climbed 456m/1496' and travelled 10.1km/6.3 miles in 52 minutes and used 42% of the 600Wh battery. The temperature was -3ºC/27ºF which undoubtedly impacted battery performance.
The interface that bolts to the bike works well but I neglected to clip it fully on a recent ride and it bounced out and hung from the cable, seemingly without damage. The system didn't like it though and it went into limp mode, which worked fine until the climb got steep. I had to cycle the power and then everything went back to normal. Despite a few glitches, like this self induced one, the Bosch system has been very reliable and consistent.

The PowerMore's cord was a little long. I think some sort of tether to keep it tucked away was supposed to be sent along. Fortunately, an easy hack was putting one twist in the cable, which kept it out of harm's way.

The battery pack easily slides into place using a bracket that attaches to the water bottle mounts. It comes with a bottle cage that snaps into the same mount when you aren't using it.

And it snaps out just as easily.

Swapping from bottle cage to Powermore, or vice versa, takes no more than 30 seconds.
Powermore Downsides
There are a few of downsides to this Range Extender, and to others as well. The most obvious one is that when it's installed, you won't have a water bottle cage on your bike. I used to wear a pack all the time but now I try to avoid it whenever possible, particularly one with water inside. Another is cost. After you've dropped a very large packet on your new Vala, you'll need to drop another 690 CAD or 525 USD if you decide you want more electron storage. Finally, it adds 1500g or 3.3lbs of weight to your bike. And that weight is fairly high on your frame and concentrated in a small area. I can't tell you I could feel it on a ride, but I haven't tried back to back laps, which might be reveal a difference.

Chunk is no problem. Even with speed. Photo - Deniz Merdano
Vala Battery Size
The 600Wh battery strikes me as an odd choice for this Santa Cruz. Bosch's new 800Wh battery weighs 600g (1.3lbs) less than their previous 750Wh for a total of 3900g/8.6 lbs. This is 900g/2 lbs heavier than the 600Wh juice box the Vala comes with. The Powermore stores 250Wh and weighs 1500g, or 600g/1.3lbs more than an extra 200Wh housed in the downtube. I would also bet you the price difference between the 600 and 800 is much less than the cost of the Powermore. Because the 600 and 800 are the same length, other brands have given riders the option to choose either one. Santa Cruz decided, based on weight and the more svelte silhouette allowable with the narrower 600, not to go with the 800 or offer it as an option.

I find this gap on Meat Sweats on Cypress a little tricky. The run up isn't very long, coming up short isn't an option (as you might be able to tell from the photo), and carrying speed is a little challenging. I did it three times for Hailey to get the shot and it worked out fine. The bike came back to earth smoothly but without the plush trophy truck landing of the 180/170mm Norco Range VLT I tested last year, which is to be expected. It didn't help that I had bruised ribs at the time but the Vala kept me from tumbling.
I like going for huge rides on eMTBs and I'm no fan of range anxiety so I would go for the 800 all day every day if it was offered. When Norco gave the option of 540, 720 or 900Wh batteries in their previous generation of VLT bikes, I chose the 900 and never regretted it for a moment. While we were testing the bikes we had all three batteries and I used the 540 a couple of times but then slid the 900 in and never looked back. I wish Santa Cruz had given riders the choice of batteries but I understand why they went with the 600. And TBF, the range of the smaller battery is impressive all things considered. If you are a heavier rider and you like big rides, the Powermore will be your friend. If you are lighter and/or you only want a portion of the max power the Bosch motor can provide, from one of the useful three modes below boost, the 600 could be just fine.

The mystery of the rotating power port. After using the Bosch Powermore battery booster a few times I wanted to remove it for a ride. When I tried to put the rubber cover for the port cover back in place, I discovered the receptor had rotated and would no longer accept the cover. I loosened the grub screws that seemed designed to keep it in place but couldn't re-align it. I didn't want to force it for fear of destroying it so I kept the Powermore plugged in to prevent water or dirt to foul the port. Eventually I got angry, twisted it hard and got it back to where it belonged seemingly without negative consequences.
My Least Favourite Part
This is the second bike I have tested with a Bosch motor and, particularly when I started using the Powermore, I noticed something that had been annoying me. The plug interface, to either charge the battery or attach the Powermore, is a complicated pattern with intricate shapes. This makes sense because it can only be plugged in one way. The male and female ends are almost square and the female end can't be easily deciphered at the bottom of the bike if you are in a dark space or if your vision isn't ideal. Even when you can see it clearly, and at eye level, the correct orientation isn't easy to determine. This means fumbling around with the plug, at the bottom of the bike, until you find the sweet spot.
Considering all the smart people at Bosch, it's surprising they couldn't create an easy to use interface so the plug would be idiot proof to line up - even for this idiot. It seems to me if the frame of the opening where the plug goes in was an easy to decipher shape with a clear top and bottom, this would solve this problem. Even simpler might be a coloured arrow on each side that needs to be matched up. If I was keeping this bike, I would do that with some nail polish. This is a minor gripe in a complicated system that has few flaws, but it's also one that is easily solved.

Aligning this thing with perfect light when it's at eye level isn't too bad. Doing it while bending over the bike in a dimly-lit garage is a pain in the ass. A trapezoidal recess on the bike, or one that is rounded on the top and square at the bottom, would solve this issue, as would clearly-coloured markings to line up male and female ends. Photos - Cam McRae

Bosch clearly knows how to do this. The plug for the Powermore will only mate with the recess in the housing one way because there are bumps in the battery that align with divots in the plug. The recess is helpful as well because of the oblong shape but it would be even better if the bottom was (for example) square.
More on The Ride
After partially recovering from an unfortunate partying injury, made vastly worse by a riding mishap a few days later, I felt like I was starting from scratch. I spent about 5 weeks doing nothing while my bruised ribs and spine healed, and coming back was daunting. Luckily the Vala had my back (and ribs). I didn't mind the weight of the 60lb Norco Range VLT when I was able-bodied but dealing with an injury that was still tender made it too much for me.
Getting on the Vala allowed me to slowly build my fitness and deal with a more manageable bike that was easier to move from place to place before, after and during the ride. As I began to feel less like an invalid, I seemed to get to know the bike on a different level, cornering and carrying speed better and gradually attempting moves I was doing way back at the end of 2024, and the bike felt better than ever.
Early on while I was riding the Vala, it felt like a normal 160/150 bike with progressive geometry but lately I've been starting to push it a little harder and it's been responding enthusiastically. This is a very versatile machine that excels on long trail rides, tight tech terrain and even chunky high-speed sections and steeps that make your nose bleed. It's not a monster truck and plowing isn't the way to extract the most performance from it, but I have been surprised by what it can handle. This is a very well sorted machine in terms of geometry* and suspension kinematics, both up and down.
*I stayed in the low/slack setting

The Baden Powell is a hiking trail that also allows mountain bikes. It extends all the way across the North Shore - for 50kms. There are sections that are used for transfers between mountain bike trails as well. Photos - Deniz Merdano

This is the same move from the previous photo. One of the best things you can do on an eMTB is climb up things you shouldn't be able to. This one wasn't too bad though.
Component Performance
One of the most remarkable elements of this bike is the tires. Schwalbe's Radial Magic Marys are unlike any tire I've ridden. The carcass is much more compliant for a given pressure and the grip is amazing. I have been riding higher than usual pressures but getting more compliance and grip. They've also stood up remarkably well, considering lots of road miles to and from the trails, and I haven't had a single flat. I'd urge you to give them a try.
The Maven brakes were also a hit, both with me and others who rode the bike. And there were no complaints about sore hands. Other than that, the AXS stuff worked well, the Reserve carbon wheels were flawless, and the spec. was very well chosen indeed.

I don't recall Hailey climbing any trees and she didn't have a drone so, despite being there, I'm mystified by how she got this shot.
Bosch Performance CX System
There was a lot of fanfare about the updated Bosch system this bike ships with, but I only noticed one dramatic difference from the previous system; it is quiet on even rough descents unlike the previous version. I don't find it much quieter on the climb but it isn't loud or annoying ether. Beyond that the batteries are lighter and the system is said to be more efficient, but unless you are very sensitive to a little descending rattle in some conditions, I wouldn't steer you away from the previous system if you are hoping to save some money.
The app works well and if you set it to allow location tracking, even when you aren't using the app, it will record every ride. If you always remember to turn on the app before your ride, this isn't necessary. If you happen to have two Bosch-equipped eMTBs, the app can only handle one at a time and you'll need to remove one bike to pair the other. This will apparently change in a future update.
The motor is responsive and powerful and even relatively natural feeling, particularly in eMTB mode, which responds closely to your inputs and will only give you max power if you really put your own power down.

As tested, the Vala XO1 Reserve model I've been testing retails for 11,500 USD. Corresponding CAD prices are 9500, 11,100, 12,400,15,000 and 16,700. Swipe for geometry.

Vala Geometry.
Closing Thoughts
As I mentioned earlier, the Vala rides very much like a pedal bike on most of the trails I generally ride. And the ways that it rides like an eMTB aren't all bad either. After some time on an EEB you start to recognize what a heavier bike excels at. The most noticeable to me is suspension performance. The extra weight pushes through the resistance of the suspension seals more easily and the fork and shock simply work better. The lighter you are the more noticeable this will be. Obviously climbing is improved thanks to the motor but cornering is more solid, as is riding through rough and loose sections. This bike hits several sweet spots in terms of geometry, travel, weight and motor and battery. It's not finicky and has stood up well to moisture and muck.

On top of the gloss grey seen here, the Vala is also available in Midnight Green. Photo - Deniz Merdano
I'd prefer to see a small display, like Shimano's EP8 system is spec'ed with, to give you more detailed information on your ride, current speed, and battery life. There is one available now and there are rumours that a more detailed display will be made available to replace the multi-coloured bars that give you battery life in 10% increments. While we are on my preferences, I'd love to have tis bike with the 800Wh battery from the factory.
Beyond that, this is a thoughtfully (and luxuriously) spec'ed bike with a well built and sorted frame. The Bosch motor is among the best out there with a very dialled system to control it, and wireless components for controlling and monitoring power output. The details are good and everything feels solid. And if you go for this spec. level, you're going to pay for it. Carbon wheels are nice on an eMTB because of the extra weight, but you can compromise with heavier tires and/or inserts to keep aluminum hoops running true. The same goes for componentry weight, particularly when you are starting with a light frame and a battery that is smaller than most, so I wouldn't discourage you from going down the a few levels if you'd like to save some cash. The S spec level, for 11,000 CAD or 8500 USD looks like the sweet spot to me, if you'd like some money left over for a trip. Or for food.

Height - 6'/183cm (mostly legs)
Weight - 165lbs/75kg
Inseam - 37"/94cm. (turns out I hadn't measured correctly previously)
Ape Index - 0.986
Age - 58
Trail I've been stoked on lately - Sam's Dad's Trail
Bar Width - 760mm
Preferred Reach - 485-500mm
Comments
4Runner1
1 month, 1 week ago
600 battery only is a let down for this bike. With the new gen weight reduction, the 800 is where it’s at. I’m on my third year with the previous gen 625 battery and while I’ve never run out of juice, I’ve been close a few times.
I’ll be buying a new bike next year and won’t be considering anything less than the 800 battery. Range extenders are not a consideration for me, as not being able to carry a full size bottle is a deal breaker.
Great review, Cam. Love that you guys are covering emtb.
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
If a battery is easy to take out/swap I think i would go for a second battery in my pack over any range extender ?
For my app the ( lowspeed singletrack) 630W on my EP8 is fine,
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Ryan
1 month, 1 week ago
Now that we've had a couple generations of ebikes and also bike geo seems to be stabilizing, are there any real 'innovations' (for lack of a better term) that I can expect going forward? I think it's great that bikes are stabilizing in a good spot but I'm also finding them a bit boring personally and not sure if it's just me losing interest or if something is different now than 4-5 years ago.
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
I think most of the full power bikes are 85NM which is about as much power as modern the drive trains can handle, I've broken an X01 chain on the EP8 but then I've broken chains on amish bikes but not an X01
Also batterys got bigger about 3-4 yrs ago so 600+ watts became pretty normal but yeah maybe nothing much all that new I think the drive train might be a limiting factor along with what is allowed to be a class 1 E-bike ( 19mph/ 31kph 750 watt motor ? )
gear boxes which might eat too much power on an acoustic bike but might be just the thing for the E-mountain bike application
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[email protected]
2 weeks, 5 days ago
Yes, gear boxes. And we don't need 12 speeds on the Mopeds. 6 speeds would be fine. And a chain chain and c-rings that are suitable for the additional power output. Only makes sense
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jordaño
1 month, 1 week ago
Integrated motor and gearbox. I currently have no interest in an ebike, but might reconsider once there are more bikes spec'd with a Pinion MGU or something similar.
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
I have run NX with X01 for 3 seasons which I refreshed towards the end of last season so it did OK IMO and NX was really cheap to replace but yeah integrated gear box might be nice
Shimano motor has had reliability issue if you read the interent while bosch is suposed to be better but you hear about both brands failing, the pinion was developed by a drone mfg er and is suposed to be crazy powerful ?
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jordaño
1 month, 1 week ago
Are you thinking of DJI? My understanding is that the engineering background for the Pinion is Porsche transmissions, not drones.
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
well i just did a little rough google and it might be the amflow pl, I watched some youtube where the Brit e-bike guy back to back tested different motors up hill, and it was FAST
maybe its a drone motor with a gearbox
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ohio
1 month ago
As others alluded to, the DJI motor is by far the state of the art right now, and at least a generation ahead of Bosch, Shimano, Brose, TQ, etc. Once Amflow's 1yr exclusivity expires, expect a number of OEMs to offer bikes around that motor, and then expect the big 3 motor MFGs to learn from that high-speed, gear reduced architecture and intro their own compact, high power motors in ~3-4 years.
On the battery front, improvements will be incremental, but there are new cells on the horizon that will bump range about 10%, possibly as much as 20%. After that, I'd be surprised if we see improvements on any relevant timeline.
The biggest changes I expect is for the public and the manufacturers to realize that once you have electric power, weight just doesn't fucking matter the way we've been trained to think it does on human-powered bikes. This will mean bigger batteries with more range, ability to run your bike in max power modes for longer, and less money spent (wasted) on lightweighting. Spending an extra $1000 in carbon frame and rims to save 1kg or save 500g in XX components makes sense on a 15kg bike you have to push yourself, but is absolutely irrelevant on a bike that weighs 25kg - especially when it actually rides *better* because of the extra weight.
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Cam McRae
1 month ago
Agreed. Although I'd argue the main benefits of carbon rims have nothing to do with weight, and for me they good carbon wheels worth the extra cash (We Are One for example) in terms of longevity and lack of maintenance. I have several pairs of carbon rims that I've never had to tension or true.
Would you consider the DJI motor vetted enough? I have no idea how many bikes are out there but I have yet to see one in the wild. Many motors seemed great early on but the realities of dealing with heat, cold and wet have vexed many of them. I'd like to hear from some real world users, not to mention try the bike myself, before I listen to any proclamations. A drone and an eMTB are entirely different species.
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ohio
1 month ago
Actually 100% agreed on carbon rims. They have been way more durable for me and need almost no truing compared to aluminum. I'll never go back to Al on my bikes that are ridden hard.
The DJI is literally exclusive to the single Amflow model right now, which is why you never see them. My understanding was the exclusivity was 1 year, but I'm not sure the details or exact dates. But I doubt the Amflow sold in large numbers as a no-name brand, and a somewhat quirky, somewhat middle-of-the-road trail bike. I expect to see a lot more whenever the exclusivity is up. Is it vetted? Well, they will have that extra year of testing under their belt, and DJI is coming into this with a ton more experience than Bosch and especially Shimano in high speed motors. No guarantee that it's reliable, but DJI is a big enough org that I'm confident they'll stand behind the product if there are warranty issues. I probably won't be one of the first customers. However, if gen 1 goes well, I'd be one of the second.
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[email protected]
2 weeks, 5 days ago
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[email protected]
2 weeks, 5 days ago
Gear boxes and all their advantages. And we don't need 12 speeds on the Mopeds. 6,7 speeds would be fine. And a chain and c-rings that are suitable for the additional power output. Shorter cranks could allow lower BB's. It's not a bicycle anymore--it is a Moped. So if the aim is to engineer to Max-Moped-Effectiveness, then they it use the same components as Bicycles. There are a lot of improvements that can still be made.
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Cr4w
1 month, 1 week ago
Your comments about weight have me wondering how much of a performance advantage just carrying a few pounds of extra muscle might be towards suspension performance and cornering in general. I've definitely spoken with much smaller riders who just get tossed around so easily. I've got so much dense weight and leverage that I can lean into and through pretty much anything.
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Cam McRae
1 month ago
The same concept applies, which is why I believe the suspension performance advantages of eMTBs are felt more by lighter riders.
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Znarf
1 month, 1 week ago
Hey, cool review!
I wonder how the bike would ride with a 170mm fork and the shock set to 65mm stroke. (Which I read somewhere is possible without clearance issues and results in 162mm of travel.)
There would be no weight penalty, just a bit more cushion.
I am still hesitant about emtbs, but for rides with my little son and his shotgun seat I „have“ to buy one. The wife already bought a Trek Rail and I promised to also buy an emtb so we can ride a bit further from home, when we‘re out as a family. Try new things and not start to become a grumpy old man etc.
We hauled him up and around on our non assisted bikes so far, but with the seat he is now 20kg and I am climbing slower and slower now :)
That said - did a nice ride on my beloved Madonna V2 today and can’t wrap my head around why I’d ever want a different bike. That thing rides FANTASTIC!
I have to admit, I am eyeing the Vala hard. As I have to maintain our bike fleet, it seems one of few emtbs which could last several seasons of actual use. And it is almost the only emtb I don’t find fugly.
The S-Spec with a proper discount is almost borderline acceptable value, as the dropper, brakes, wheels are absolutely adequate. No swapping necessary.
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
lowest spec SC E-bike has been pretty good for 3 season IME
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
as i understand it SC dropped the VPP design so they could go bosch becuz the bosch physicaly would not fit the VPP design ?
The Heckler/ Bulit with pedals is 52 lbs so 48 lbs doesnt really impress me that much and Vala looks to me like a big full power E-bike minus 4 lbs ?
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Cam McRae
1 month, 1 week ago
I believe that’s mostly what I said, but it wasn’t that it couldn’t fit at all, it was that it couldn’t be aligned to achieve the suspension kinematic numbers (particularly anti squat) they were after.
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
ok yeah I missed that on 1st read, there is a lot of info in this test, good test btw
I havent got a read on love for the Shimano motor just smack talk you read on the users page so maybe they wana try Bosch ?
I like vpp altho to be honest I don't get to ride a bunch of bikes so I have nothing to compare with
SO would I buy an SC with the different rear end, probably cuz I think SC does a really good job but this time I would have to do more than look at a picture and cha-ching
something that I don't like on Bullit and was a problem for me is stuff plugged in around the motor which the Vala appears to have when it could have been mounted somewhere better. Be plugged in while lubing the chain the pedal comes around and wipes out the charging port, my bad of course but is was 100$ that didnt need to be and the ports are right in the dirt and smoo
I didnt catch where the power-on switch is ( ? ) but its down low on the Bullit and that sucks IMO
Vala still seems " BIG " to me which is not a problem
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Cam McRae
1 month, 1 week ago
The power switch on Bosch bikes is on the LED on the top tube. It's much more convenient.
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RNAYEL
1 month, 1 week ago
@cam , I figure this is the bike you were riding when I interrupted you on Fromme a month back. Did you manage to drain the battery?
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Cam McRae
1 month, 1 week ago
It was and I did not. The closest I’ve got is 18% left.
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Kos
1 month, 1 week ago
"MX (mullet!) Wheel (29 front, 27 rear)*”
I did not find the footnote for this starred bullet point. Hoping it reads “can easily be converted to 29/29”?
As far as the charging cord alignment goes, my wife’s Liv has the same issue, so……you see that little fastener to the left of the charging port? Go ahead and plug in the cord, then take a silver Sharpie and put a hash mark on the cord’s plug that points at the little fastener. Problem solved, though an annual Sharpie Refresh is called for.
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Brian Moreaux
1 month, 1 week ago
Party-related injury eh?!? Sounds like young-man stuff.
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Cam McRae
1 month, 1 week ago
Indeed.
My punishment for these sorts of antics is to not sugar coat them.
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papa44
1 month, 1 week ago
I had always been a big fan of magic Mary’s but they are no joke to seat, I gave up on them after I accidentally over pressured one with a tube in it trying to seat it and it burst both the tube and my eardrum. Never had a problem with maxxis tyres though. Maybe someone will jump in and tell me what I’m doing wrong? Also there was one moment where you said pedal bike and then a bunch of times you upset the meat powered masses..
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago
I also have not had any problem with Maxxis, Assguy/ DHR II in double down they go on easy and seat with a Beto floor pump so i just keep buying them i'm on my 3rd or 4th set
Obviously the MM's are made to a different spec
are we allowed to say Mullet ?
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papa44
1 month ago
Yes to mullet, no to mx! That’s the hill I’m dying on, we can add push/pedal bike and e-bike to that too. While we’re here I’m throwing in “could care less” when actually meaning “couldn’t care less”. There’s probably more but I can feel my blood pressure rising already
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago (below threshold)
hey all you acoustic or amish wankers if you don't like E bikes don't read the artical , don't commment
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Merwinn
1 month, 1 week ago
Insulting people doesn't get you anything but enemies. And I have an ebike.
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Cam McRae
1 month, 1 week ago
People are welcome to comment as long as they are civil, which goes (ahem) for everyone.
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Flatted-again
1 month, 1 week ago
I’m not mad, I’m just … disappointed by your comment XXX_er.
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Trogdor
1 month, 1 week ago
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Trogdor
1 month, 1 week ago
Didn't we just have a big discussion recently on how calling us/them amish/acoustic bikes is hurtful? Plus throwing in a wanker on top of that?
Gear down big rig....Its just bikes.
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Peter Leeds
1 month, 1 week ago (below threshold) log in to show
With a motor it is not bike related.
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Jotegir
1 month, 1 week ago
XXX, you're supposed to let the anti-ebike crowd come in, rant for a while, and then make fun of them. It doesn't work if you shoot first!
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XXX_er
1 month, 1 week ago (below threshold) log in to show
if you don't like E-bikes don't read the artical and don't comment, its real easy to stay in your lane
in any case they don't wana stay in the lane so it doesnt really work anyhow altho there might be less people sharing their feelings on this artical which is a positive, so I figured why not try the pre-emptive strike eh ?
So how many subjects on NSMB do people mess up for no reason than they don't like it, that only happens on the E-bike file and its accepted as OK
I don't comment on or read a lot of the articals, It would be pretty screwed if I did and apparently I AM allowed to,
but i have more respect that that for the contributors which is apparently not the case for e-bike haters
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Trogdor
1 month, 1 week ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycling/comments/acbhb8/found_this_humorous/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_butt
on
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