SRAM Guide Ultimate Brakes

Photos Kaz Yamamura and Adrian Marcoux

For a while there it felt like we had been sentenced to several more years of bikes with SRAM 1x drivetrains and Shimano brakes. Not that there was anything wrong with that, it just didn’t feel right to have all those clamps elbowing each other in the gut, fighting for bar space. Matchmaker and I-Spec weren’t being put to use as much as any spatial purist would have wanted. We had great brakes and great single ring drivetrains, just not from the same brand (depending on who you asked, of course).

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My first ride on the Guide Ultimates was in Squamish. It’s a great place to test anything but like with most trails from Vancouver to Pemberton, your brakes are your lifeline.

By early 2014 the Avid Trail X0 had been clawing back ground but it was the introduction of the Guide brake that really allowed SRAM to push back against Shimano’s emerging supremacy. After almost a year of them on my main test bike, the Guide RSC had me seeing it the other way, and all of a sudden I didn’t look at a bike with SRAM brakes as a potential liability – I came to prefer it. Power was good, modulation was great, lever feel was crisp and repeatable, and they tolerated it when I didn’t bleed them until the second pad change. Every now and then I got a little pump or fade, but it was only after long descents and it usually corrected itself quickly. There was one exception which I described in my review of them. Bottom line was that I rode them hard for a long time, treated them like shit, and they still worked and felt great.

A year later came the SRAM Guide Ultimate. It had the same master cylinder and lever (albeit with carbon and Ti sprinkled about) but caliper design changes like alloy pistons led to smoother feel and return, while an enlarged pad cavity and new heat sink brought lower operating temperatures due to better heat dispersion and more consistent feel and performance. They also announced the Bleeding Edge bleed ports that made that process easier and faster (and cleaner), and the new two-piece Centerline X Rotor, which saved about 15g per wheel. It was like taking Frank’s Red Hot Sauce and adding Chili Lime – the new version was even better without making me forget what was so great about the original.

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At the lever, the Guide Ultimates look identical to the Guide RSC. Except that black lever is carbon, and the hardware is titanium. It can be your little secret. Photo: Adrian Marcoux.

The list of changes was long and even though the improvements were incremental, they added up to better claimed performance and lighter weight. Of course, the only thing that didn’t get better was the price: the SRAM Guide Ultimate comes in at $288 US per wheel (plus ~$70 per rotor) or $88 more than the Guide RSC. When you compare to Shimano, they’re basically identical to XTR and XT, respectively, with SRAM’s brakes weighing a handful of grams less per wheel. Have a look here for a more detailed rundown on the differences between the two brakes.

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Changes to the Guide Ultimate caliper are visually subtle but more significant under the hood: 1) greater cavity space (more air circulation); 2) a new heat sink; 3) bleed port is re-designed for easier and cleaner bleeds, 4) banjo and bleed port are re-positioned to the very bottom of the caliper for fluid to flow more easily – you can see the new bleed port at the lower right corner of the caliper (it’s the round rubber cap).

So now we have a great brake in the Guide RSC that changed a lot of opinions about SRAM’s place in the pecking order, and then they went and made it better. Was this just a carbon and Titanium trickle-up or are the Guide Ultimates notably different? I’ve ridden them for 5 months, through two pad changes (and only one bleed), in all kinds of weather, for bike park laps and long, rough 5,000′ descents, and they’ve been damn near perfect. From the long steeps of Whistler’s Creekside to soaking wet descents from Revelstoke’s alpine, to favourite loops on the shore I haven’t detected significant differences in the feel of the Ultimates vs. the RSCs. Like with the RSC, on sustained, steep descents I experienced some front lever fade, but a move up to a 200mm rotor (for certain rides) took care of that problem.

Which one should you buy? If you’re sizing them up at full retail, and $166 (for both wheels) in savings is significant to you, the cheaper Guide RSC is a terrific brake that will not let you down. If you want to save a little weight and will ride or race aggressively, you will appreciate the added consistency and heat-dissipation of the Guide Ultimates. Whether it’s worth the money is your call, but both brakes are best-in-class unless you prefer the on/off feel of Shimano instead.

In less than two years SRAM have rolled out a complete line of excellent trail/all-mountain brakes under the Guide moniker that have re-established a strong alternative to Shimano and restored faith in their ability to make great brakes – once the doubters give them a chance.

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My test brakes came with the Centerline rotor, whereas the new Centerline-X is a two-piece design that saves about 15g per wheel. No performance difference other than the weight savings. Photo: Adrian Marcoux

The SRAM Guide Ultimate retails for $288 per wheel (w/o a rotor) and weighs 240 grams for a front caliper (including hose, caliper, pads, and lever).


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DrBrownPow
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Def my prefered break! Love the modulation of Sram.

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clay
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"Whether it’s worth the money is your call, but both brakes are best-in-class unless you prefer the on/off feel of Shimano instead." You make it sound as if the Shimano brakes have poor modulation; but obviously if that were the case, they wouldn't have been the benchmark for SRAM to beat. I've read nothing but high praise for the modulation of the XT/XTR brakes…even the SLX line carries that excellent reputation.

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myles-mayhew
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It's my opinion that the majority of shimano owners reckon "modulation" is the amount of lever throw before the pad makes contact with the disc. They work, sure. But modulation? Shimano? Pfft.

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jonathan_kingstone
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What Clay said x2.

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andrewbikeguide
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Noise? Still seem noisier than Shimano one the ones I have seen riding around?

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pete@nsmb.com
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They have been the same as the Guide RSCs for me, which is to say that when cold, wet, or both, they squeal until they heat up. Recent Shimano brakes I've used haven't been much different.

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qduffy
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I would agree. My RSCs are noisy when really wet but quiet quickly when they get warm and they stay quiet after that. I find them quieter and a bit smoother feeling at the rotor than the Shimanos I've used in general though - maybe the newer rotor design?

I like both brands, but just slightly prefer the Guides' balance of modulation and power, the ergos on the lever, and they feel marginally more fade resistant. We're talking serious subtleties here so run whatcha brung.

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