Long Term Scratch/Slash Preview

Plus Killer Photos and Vid

Words by Connor Macleod. Photos by Derek Dix.
Date: 2011-11-13

This year I had the opportunity to long-term test Trek’s Scratch Air 9. With a 66-degree head angle, 170mm (6.7") of travel and weighing 32 pounds the Scratch was an aggressive all mountain machine. It seemed like the perfect bike to explore British Columbia’s endless single-track, but would it hold up? The Scratch Air has all the ingredients to go big and fast yet designed to pedal like an XC bike. After only a few rides I knew the Scratch was good but only time would tell how good. This review should answer any Scratch questions and compare it to the all-new Slash.  


  After a season of testing on BC’s finest single-track, the Scratch looks as good as it rides.

It’s evident that Trek is passionate about gravity mountain biking because they are listening to what riders and racers want. The Scratch is designed for riders that want to pedal up and shred down with confidence usually only found on a downhill or freeride bike. Trek has done a great job with their build kits. Right out of the box it sports a telescoping seat post, dual ring guide, and a Fox Talas fork. Having these essential parts added at the factory saves you time and money. Another nice touch is the colour matching Trek has worked on with Fox and SRAM/Truvativ/Avid.


  The 2012 Slash looks similar but sports new tubing, angles, internal routing, and rear shock.

Both the Scratch and Slash use a simple yet refined suspension system; the same design as its big brother the Session 88 downhill bike. Its 'Full Floater' system offers a progressive bottomless suspension feel when descending and contours to uneven terrain while climbing. The Slash replaces the RP23 with an all-new Trek exclusive DRCV (Dual Rate Control Valve) Shock with Kashima coating for a smooth durable finish. It gives you the efficiency of a small volume canister with the big hit control of a large volume shock. The DRCV seamlessly adjusts its air volume based on the terrain. The only manual adjustment is the pro-pedal switch (climb-ride-descend).


  You literally cannot build a custom trail bike better than the Slash.  

After a handful of rides aboard the Slash it’s easy to feel the improvements over the Scratch. The DRVC shock feels incredibly stable over rough terrain, with superior big hit control and pedaling efficiency. Both the Fox fork and rear shock feel smoother thanks to a flashy coating of Kashima. The Slash is currently one of the only bikes with internal seatpost and cable routing. Have a closer look at the seamless Rockshox Reverb integration; it looks awesome and there is one fewer cable in the way trying to scratch your Slash, pun intended. The hydraulic switch comes mounted to the front brake via matchmaker for ergonomics and weight savings. Other frame details include a new integrated downtube and chainstay protector with a chain slap silencer and lastly bottle cage mounts.  


  Fox makes some of the finest suspension in the World, and Trek customizes it.

Trek has done an excellent job packaging the Slash with seamless frame and parts integration. It's hard to ignore the custom matched Kawasaki green Sram XO build kit and Fox 36. In fact during recent rides I have been asked – “you must have customized every part on that bike” and my response was, “actually I just built it out of the box last week”.


  Attention to detail on every square inch of the Slash.

It all comes together on the trail, you feel everything working together as it should; controls are in the right places, suspension factory tuned, and its practically silent. Bikes like the Scratch and Slash allow you to focus on the trail rather than your bike, making down. After a handful of rides on the Slash I feel I am riding better, with more confidence and having more fun than the person behind me. Winning.


  Tired of the same old trails? The Scratch was the perfect bike to explore BC’s finest backcountry.

This summer the Scratch saw a handful of days in the Whistler Bike Park, Sun Peaks Bike Park, Panorama Bike Park, Silver Star Bike Park, Harper Mountain, Pemberton single track, Chilcotins, Della Creek, Seven Summits in Rossland, Mt 7 Psychosis, Squamish epics, Sunshine Coast, and every rock and root on the North Shore. Not once did I feel like I had too much or too little bike. I just had fun and enjoyed all of BC’s riding on one bike. Simply awesome.


First shot of the day, first 10 feet of trail. Della Creek BC. Brad Holmes photo.

My mechanical skills stop at a multi-tool and tire lever, so I have to have a reliable bike. I also get testy when I miss out on rides because my bike is in the stand. I always want my bike to work, without doing any work. Is that too much to ask? Apparently not, the Scratch (with one exception) proved to be the most reliable bike I have ever ridden. The frame is as tight and smooth as day one thanks to sealed bearings, quality hardware, and a refined design. Aesthetically the bike looks great, with little signs of wear and tear, despite everything it’s seen. Trek’s paint has really held up and it only looks weeks old.  


  Slashing corners aboard the Scratch like it’s a Session.  

As discussed in part 1 Trek really nailed the build on the Scratch Air – a perfect balance of parts to go up and down the mountain. Nothing on the bike had to be replaced nor were there any major repairs. I had one broken spoke and I tensioned my rear wheel once. I was totally impressed with the DT Swiss wheel set; they stayed straight, tight, despite weighing under 2000 grams.


  The Scratch Air is hands down the most fun I have had on a bike, can you tell? Brad Holmes photo.

The Slash switches to SRAM XO, a light build more robust than some downhill bikes. Everything looks and feels sharp with the whole system integrated beautifully. The only carbon found on the Slash is its XO cranks and the wide 29.5” Bontrager Bar. The Slash replaces the Scratch’s DT Swiss wheels with an even lighter tubeless ready Rhythm Elite wheelset. Other notable parts include a new lightweight Truvativ dual ring guide with a taco bash guard, Reverb seatpost, and new Bontrager XR4 team issue 2.35” rubber.


  The Scratch was the perfect bike to explore BC’s backyard. 

Changing the tires on the Scratch made the biggest difference in ride characteristics. The stock 2.35” Bontrager XR4 Expert’s surprised me; they were light, grippy and they lasted. For more aggressive terrain such as the Whistler Bike Park I put on Maxxis Minnions. This simple and easy change made the Scratch feel like its big brother the Session 88. For longer XC type riding I put on some 2.2” WTB’s, reducing the rolling weight and resistance making epics that much nicer.


  Leave your truck at home, climb up and shred down on the Scratch.

The second simple swap out was the handlebar. After riding the Scratch with its stock Bontrager Rhythm bar for a few months I talked to Zach at Answer/Manitou. He suggested I try a different bar and see how it feels. We put on an Answer ProTaper, a lower, wider, and stiffer bar. I instantly felt more comfortable and liked the aggressive body positioning. Wide bars are the only bars in downhill racing thanks to greater control, power and cornering. We also swapped out the Bontrager grips in favor of some Answer Fall Line DH grips, which were slightly thicker and felt great in my hands. I was surprised at how much these two simple upgrades made to the overall ride and feel of the Scratch. So far I see no need to replace the Slash’s 29.5” carbon bar.


  It’s easy to see why BC was the birthplace of freeride with terrain like this. 

When I realized the Scratch came with a remote seat post I was stoked, despite of all the horror stories. Adding a remote adjustable seat post will change the way you ride period. The Scratch Air uses a Crank Brothers Joplin 4, with a cable-actuated remote. This post has always worked, some days better then others; however they are simple to maintain and it has never let me down, pun intended. The Scratch really benefits from having an ‘uppy downy’ post because of the extreme opposites its capable of. Nice to see Trek spec this, it’s all about the whole package.'

  Disneyland is a trail everyone talks about, no doubt with views like this.

2011 marked the release of 10 speed drivetrains, and the Scratch exploited every one of those speeds. With a 24/36 chaining upfront and an 11-36 in the rear you had all the gears you needed while still running a dual ring guide like a pro. I broke a couple of chains over the course of testing and noticed that they are slightly more prone to breaking however; it really just comes down to proper maintenance and shifting habits. 


  Thanks nsmb.com and Rock Shox for all the hard work on Dales

I was really impressed with all of the Shimano drivetrain, the Shadow rear derailleur did an excellent job missing all the rocks and none of the shifts and the front derailleur was the best I’ve ever used – no more ‘feathering’ into position.  You’ll notice the Scratch uses a direct mount front derailleur for better performance.   


The Slash feels right at home here on the North Shore.

I’m happy to see companies like Trek spec’ing premium models like the Scratch Air and Slash 9 with Fox Suspension. Fox continues to push the boundaries and make awesome products. For part two of the review I wanted to see what kind of magic James Downing at SuspensionWerx could put into the Fox 36 Talas. When you get your suspension back from James you feel like one of the Atherton’s, every detail on that suspension has been custom tuned to your weight and style. James’ work is instantly noticeable on the trail, the suspension was smoother, more responsive and less fatiguing on long descents.
 

  This bike saw more trails, jumps, hits and steeps than any other bike in BC, missing only a week to replace this chainstay.

While the Scratch was incredibly robust and reliable it did fail once. The chainstay broke on the drive side while riding in the Sun Peaks Bike Park. I wasn’t completely surprised, after all it was my goal to see exactly how much the Scratch could handle. I am 6’ 3”, 190 lbs and like to ride fast technical trails, and am a good test of durability. Looking at the picture you can see it failed at the bend under a welded housing tab, on the other side were signs of tire rub from flexing. So it looks like it was a combination of factors that led to the frame's failure. The Slash has a redesigned chainstay that eliminates welded housing tabs for superior internal routing system and greater strength.


  If you’re itching to give up nothing on the downhills, the Slash is for you.

Frames break and it's an inconvenience but what’s important is that the company finds a solution in a fair and timely manner, and Trek did exactly that. My emails were replied to promptly and professionally, and Trek had a new chainstay sent out before the end of the week. The replacement chainstay showed up days later ready to be installed. I was totally impressed with how easy Trek was to deal with and how quickly they found a solution.


  The Slash comes with a full serving of confidence on moves like this on Dales.

The Scratch and Slash are to mountain biking what the Callaway Big Bertha is to Golf. Grip it and rip it. Trek gives you all the tools you need in a wicked package. Riders of all skill levels will love riding these bikes; rookies will love its confidence-inspiring ride and experts can continue pushing its boundaries.


  Outdoor playtime just got improved 110% with the Trek Slash. 

After 12 years of mountain biking the Scratch was the first piece of gear to change my outlook on mountain biking. As we grow up we have less time to ride and less appetite for risk. But we value our time spent riding more and more. The Scratch made every ride special because it could do everything effortlessly. If you want to go fast, climb for hours, shuttle or jump you can do all in the same ride, and have a wicked time.


  Explore the North Shore on Friday, shred the Bike Park Saturday.

After spending a season aboard the Scratch I realized how powerful a properly designed AM bike can be. Trek took a great product with the Scratch and made it even better with the Slash. If you are considering a new trail bike be sure to look at Trek, whether it’s a deal on a new or used Scratch or one of the 3 new Slash models. These bikes are incredibly well designed and the proof is in the ride.


 Trek continues to set the bar in this ever-changing bike game. 

In the next few weeks I will have a compressive look at the all-new Slash and compare it to some of the other 2012 offerings such as the Rocky Mountain Slayer and Specialized Enduro. Riding is just getting interesting here on the North Shore as we move into winter, providing us the ultimate testing ground. Stay tuned for a Slash edit in the next couple weeks. 


  So far the Slash has exceeded all expectations and turned some heads along the way.


2011 Trek Scratch Quick Look

Pros Cons
•    Extremely versatile and adjustable design
•    Stable and controlled suspension platform
•    Stiff and light
•    Excellent parts spec
•    Robust design
•    Fun to ride/confidence inspiring
•    Great company to deal with
•    Broke once
•    Some house branded parts could be improved
•    No bottle cage mount
•    Pricy  (MSRP $5039.99)


The Slash rails on Dales.


I wanted to make a video showcasing awesome BC riding on the Scratch. I wanted to shoot something new, that’s both fun to ride and shoot.  My friend Brad Holmes suggested we try out Della Creek just outside of Lillooet B.C. The trail has shuttle access, which was great because we were carrying heavy camera bags. It drops almost 4000 vertical feet along a ridgeline overlooking the Fraser River. The trail is fast and flowy and could be ridden on any mountain bike; however, the Scratch was clearly the ideal bike. After shooting for 10 hours Brad and I arrived at the truck exhausted and ready to head home but the keys were missing. We had not seen anyone in the past 2 days and my truck was 4000 feet up the mountain.  The only answer was to ride up - a final test of the Scratch’s pedaling ability. Despite the heat, lack of food, water and energy the Scratch was comfortable to pedal up the fire road and reached the top in 2 hours. Check out the video and check out Della Creek one day - just remember your keys!


Reviewing the shots after day one at Della. Brad Holmes photo.

 




Thanks
Derek Dix
Brad Holmes
James @ SuspensionWerks
Zac @ Answer/Manitou
Sombrio


Connor will be back soon with a more comprehensive look at the 2012 Trek Slash. Until then let us know what you thought about his words/riding, Derek's photos and the video shot with Brad Holmes below. You can also fire some questions for Connor.

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Posted by Guest at 12:34 AM on 11-14-2011
I bought a rocky mountain slayer this season and after reading this passage in the article i realized i felt the same way. "After 12 years of mountain biking the Scratch was the first piece of gear to change my outlook on mountain biking. As we grow up we have less time to ride and less appetite for risk. But we value our time spent riding more and more. The Scratch made every ride special because it could do everything effortlessly. If you want to go fast, climb for hours, shuttle or jump you can do all in the same ride, and have a wicked time." i had always ridden a dh bike but these new all mountain machines are just awsome!
Posted by JCL at 03:24 AM on 11-14-2011
"Fox makes some of the finest suspension in the world, and Trek ruins it"

;)
Posted by BareFootMeshback at 07:45 AM on 11-14-2011
This review should be on pinkbike. It broke! You buried this fact deep in the article and excused it by saying you are 190 and ride tech aggressively. This describes a lot of riders in BC! I'm sure it is a refined bike that was hard to nitpick but still it broke and it costs $5000.
Posted by synaptonaut at 08:18 AM on 11-14-2011
It's "DRCV"...not that I really care about a marketing abbreviation.
Posted by Guest at 08:23 AM on 11-14-2011
Nice detailed review. Quick question, aside from the slash 9 what other rides in the same category could be consider a contender? maybe SB-66, Knolly Chilcotin.

Yes I am looking for options for 2012, thanks.
Posted by biggles604 at 08:24 AM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by BareFootMeshback (Post 2588331)
This review should be on pinkbike. It broke! You buried this fact deep in the article and excused it by saying you are 190 and ride tech aggressively. This describes a lot of riders in BC! I'm sure it is a refined bike that was hard to nitpick but still it broke and it costs $5000.

Bikes break, it's a fact of life. It would be nice if they didn't but I would much rather see a review that pushed a bike to the absolute limit. The true test of the bike/manufacturer is in seeing how they handle a breakage like this: What is the turnaround time for the repair? What's been changed to stop it happening again?
Posted by Guest at 08:24 AM on 11-14-2011
Trek is mountain bike speak for "broken frame."
Posted by walleater at 08:49 AM on 11-14-2011
Instead of the current wave of 'For Racing Only' type frames, I really wish manufacturers would make a 'For Hacks Only' version. How many of these lightweight 'freeride with skinned milk and no whipped cream' frames are going to be in one piece in three years time? Give me the whipped cream doods! I'd rather a bike weigh 1.5Lb more if it means that the I don't have to keep checking for cracks or send a fork away due to creaky crowns.
Posted by hampstead_bandit at 09:58 AM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by BareFootMeshback (Post 2588331)
This review should be on pinkbike. It broke! You buried this fact deep in the article and excused it by saying you are 190 and ride tech aggressively. This describes a lot of riders in BC! I'm sure it is a refined bike that was hard to nitpick but still it broke and it costs $5000.


to be fair to the tester, he mentioned tire rub chewing its way through the inside of the swingarm / chainstay

with metal removed by the tire, its not surprising the swingarm tube then failed?

perhaps the rear wheel spokes got a little slack due to all the abuse from the 190lb / aggressive tester...and allowed excessive wheel flexure?


I'm not a huge fan of Trek (I prefer a certain Canadian 'split-pivot' brand) but Trek sure make some pretty bikes and the ABP suspension has a good ride quality even if the DRCV can 'interfere' at times

one certain thing about the bigger companies like Trek and Specialized is the efficient warranty when things do go wrong :)

compared to my riding buddy who has been waiting nearly 5 months for a replacement rocker from a USA "boutique" brand, he bought a 2011 Specialized Enduro whilst the UK distributor and USA manufacturer pissed him about, and has no plans to return to the boutique brand once the elusive rocker returns

in my workshop, I deal with warranty returns on a regular basis with both Specialized and Trek (more often for hybrids and road bikes rather than the mountain bikes) and have nothing but praise for their efficient turn around
Posted by Guest at 11:06 AM on 11-14-2011
Everyone I know that rides a Remedy or Fuel EX has cracked or broken the chain stay. Sure that's only a half dozen or so and its on the shore but there not all hucking and shredding big lines. I agree walleater, some companies are going too light or sticking with poor designs to save mfg $$ and simply don't last. Warranty claims while dealt with were all painless either.. Like their new designs and folks rave about their descending prowess but still would pass until I hear of fewer failures.
Posted by Sharon at 11:16 AM on 11-14-2011
Very positive review!

I ride a Session in the bike park and have ridden it on some shuttle runs where you do have to pedal. The Session is a beast to pedal, but when its at speed its incredibly nimble.

The Slash sounds like a great do it all bike if it descends like the Session, is as nimble probably at lower speeds due to its lighter weight and requires less effort to pedal.

Guess the question would be Remedy or Slash!

( oh and Conner, nice red outfit but variety is the spice of life! )
Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 12:04 PM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by BareFootMeshback (Post 2588331)
This review should be on pinkbike. It broke! You buried this fact deep in the article and excused it by saying you are 190 and ride tech aggressively. This describes a lot of riders in BC! I'm sure it is a refined bike that was hard to nitpick but still it broke and it costs $5000.

I don't think it's fair to say this info was buried when there is an image, a caption and text all referring to the issue. Many other publications - print or web - would have avoided any mention of this. I know that first hand.

And in terms of Connor's use of the bike - if you had ridden with Connor you would know that the volume, intensity and amplitude of his riding must be considered as a factor in the failure. The vast majority of even very skilled riders don't subject bikes to anywhere near Connor's level of abuse. Another factor would be the amount of time Connor spent in bike parks. Most riders of AM bikes never take them to a bike park. Connor took his to four - including three of the most challenging in the world - and even rode Mt. 7 Psychosis on it.

This information is useful to someone who is trying to make a decision about a purchase and it should be included in my humble opinion.
Posted by Bryce at 12:19 PM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by cam@nsmb.com (Post 2588388)
I don't think it's fair to say this info was buried when there is an image, a caption and text all referring to the issue. Many other publications - print or web - would have avoided any mention of this. I know that first hand.

true

In the future, it would be interesting to handle those things anonymously through a shop just to see what the actual turnaround time is for Joe Mtnbiker.
Posted by TokyoDrift at 05:33 PM on 11-14-2011
Hey everyone this is Connor, and I hope I can answer anything I missed in the review. I have enjoyed everyones comments and point of view especially regarding the failure. First of all this is the only chainstay failure I've seen or heard of, and I'm heavily involved in this industry. I feel like I put 3 years of use over an 8 month period b/c it was so versatile and capable. I should also add that many times I was riding with a 30-40lbs camera bag, with the weight sitting right over the rear wheel.

Bikes I would consider competition for the Slash
-Cove G Spot - I've tested this and many friends rock them - wicked fun/hand built right here/ WC proven suspension
-Santa Cruz Nomad - it been around for a while and keeps getting better
-Specialized Enduro - proven suspension design with great angles for going down
-Devinci Dixon - few of my friends swear by these, not quite as DH friendly out the box as the Slash

- Dont know much about Yeti's, not to common around here.
Posted by Sharon at 05:45 PM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by TokyoDrift (Post 2588491)

Bikes I would consider competition for the Slash
-Cove G Spot - I've tested this and many friends rock them - wicked fun/hand built right here/ WC proven suspension
-Santa Cruz Nomad - it been around for a while and keeps getting better
-Specialized Enduro - proven suspension design with great angles for going down
-Devinci Dixon - few of my friends swear by these, not quite as DH friendly out the box as the Slash

- Dont know much about Yeti's, not to common around here.

Pivot firebird, if you what to trade sometime to compare let me know!
Posted by 4Runner1 at 05:52 PM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest (Post 2588369)
Everyone I know that rides a Remedy or Fuel EX has cracked or broken the chain stay.

Really? I've been riding my Remedy for a year solid with no issues. I know several people that ride Fuels and haven't heard of one cracking. Maybe your 200 lb buddies should stay away from the flat landings.
Posted by connor at 05:57 PM on 11-14-2011
mine has 3 seasons on it and still going strong..
Posted by synaptonaut at 08:10 PM on 11-14-2011
The Scratch 9 Air is indeed a sweet riding bike. I was able to borrow one from one of the demo reps in my area for a couple of weeks and it was fast in terms of efficiency like my Remedy but felt way more solid and controllable (slacker head angle, burlier fork). Strongly considering hocking the Remedy for the new Slash. I am impressed that you broke the chainstay, though you do have 30 pounds and a few inches on me.

PS, one should also note that the tires that came stock on the Scratch were crap. The newer version of the XR4 is much better luckily.

Cheers!
Posted by clarklewis at 09:45 PM on 11-14-2011
nice to see the frame failure addressed in the article with transparency.
not surprised connor broke it, he rides harder than 99% of us.

even fancy carbon frames can fail (explode) if you beat on them hard enough.
its incredible how tough our bikes are for how relatively light they are.

what bikes in this weight class (really light 6" bikes) have proven over time to be tough? nomad? enduro? others?
Posted by ReductiMat at 10:09 PM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by hampstead_bandit (Post 2588349)
in my workshop, I deal with warranty returns on a regular basis with both Specialized and Trek (more often for hybrids and road bikes rather than the mountain bikes) and have nothing but praise for their efficient turn around

I recently went through a boutique warranty return on a snapped swingarm and it was painful as f@ck.

Love the bike to bits, but the next one will be with a big guy for this fact alone.
Posted by CoilAir at 10:49 PM on 11-14-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by TokyoDrift (Post 2588491)
Bikes I would consider competition for the Slash
-Cove G Spot - I've tested this and many friends rock them - wicked fun/hand built right here/ WC proven suspension
-Santa Cruz Nomad - it been around for a while and keeps getting better
-Specialized Enduro - proven suspension design with great angles for going down
-Devinci Dixon - few of my friends swear by these, not quite as DH friendly out the box as the Slash

- Dont know much about Yeti's, not to common around here.

Great review!

I would love to see a Kona CoilAir thrown in the mix as competition. I've done everything in the past year and a half on it and it's been great. Pedalling epics, Shore tech, WBP, it does it all.
Posted by Guest at 06:50 AM on 11-15-2011
Sorry I'm commenting about this here, and maybe others have already said something, but why have you chosen to have the order of the posts go from most recent to least. It's annoying to start reading posts, which I like to do, and have a bunch of quotes from other posters be answered even though I haven't seen the original. Other people comment on things I haven't read from other posters and so on. It's just my beef. Thanks for listening.
Posted by dclxvi at 10:56 AM on 11-15-2011
"After 12 years of mountain biking the RANGE was the first piece of gear to change my outlook on mountain biking. As we grow up we have less time to ride and less appetite for risk. But we value our time spent riding more and more. The Scratch made every ride special because it could do everything effortlessly. If you want to go fast, climb for hours, shuttle or jump you can do all in the same ride, and have a wicked time." i had always ridden a dh bike but these new all mountain machines are just awsome!
Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 11:11 AM on 11-15-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest (Post 2588696)
Sorry I'm commenting about this here, and maybe others have already said something, but why have you chosen to have the order of the posts go from most recent to least. It's annoying to start reading posts, which I like to do, and have a bunch of quotes from other posters be answered even though I haven't seen the original. Other people comment on things I haven't read from other posters and so on. It's just my beef. Thanks for listening.

This is the perfect place for commenting on this issue.

I agree with you and we are working on getting it swapped. It was a communication issue between the editorial side and the tech side. Hopefully it will be rectified soon.

Thanks for the feedback.
Posted by ol' dirty at 11:16 AM on 11-15-2011
Great review. I like how straight up you were about the snappage. Bikes break when you're putting that kind of time on 'em. Warranty is key.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TokyoDrift (Post 2588491)

- Dont know much about Yeti's, not to common around here.

Been riding an SB-66 on the shore since September and it's changed my outlook on riding as well. My impressions are pretty similar to your thougths on the Scratch, it pedals up like a hardtail and shreds down like a mini-dh. Way stiffer and agile than I thought it would be. Viva la trail bike revolution.
Posted by stuart@nsmb.com at 11:24 AM on 11-15-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by clarklewis (Post 2588605)
what bikes in this weight class (really light 6" bikes) have proven over time to be tough? nomad? enduro? others?

I'm still riding a Giant Reign frame from 2008 without any issues. All of the parts have been swapped over time, but the frame keeps on trucking. As for weight, 31 lbs +/- for an XL, depending on the build.
Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 12:03 PM on 11-15-2011
We have had a Remedy around here since 2008 that has been treated pretty much like a rental - and it has stood up very well. And we've got two years into an S-Works Enduro - again it's seen more ass than a toilet seat - and it's perfect. No pivot work on either bike and everything works smoothly.
Posted by boomforeal at 12:23 PM on 11-15-2011
wow, solid long term review. i went back and skimmed the preview, which came out early last year - with a video of connor riding the shore in the snow - and here the long-term follow up comes with the mountains again covered in snow, a full season + later. taken together they produce an incredibly clear picture of the scratch: the preview lines up the interesting features and design elements, and this review deals with most of the in terms of their utility and durability - along with providing some perspective on how they informed the overall design and riding experience. it's almost a shame that such a comprehensive study was conducted on a bike that will no longer be in production - hopefully trek has taken these experiences and perspectives into account in developing the slash. the riding, the photography/videos, the writing AND the ensuing discussion... A+
Posted by hampstead_bandit at 12:56 PM on 11-15-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by TokyoDrift (Post 2588491)
Hey everyone this is Connor, and I hope I can answer anything I missed in the review. I have enjoyed everyones comments and point of view especially regarding the failure. First of all this is the only chainstay failure I've seen or heard of, and I'm heavily involved in this industry. I feel like I put 3 years of use over an 8 month period b/c it was so versatile and capable. I should also add that many times I was riding with a 30-40lbs camera bag, with the weight sitting right over the rear wheel.

Bikes I would consider competition for the Slash
-Cove G Spot - I've tested this and many friends rock them - wicked fun/hand built right here/ WC proven suspension
-Santa Cruz Nomad - it been around for a while and keeps getting better
-Specialized Enduro - proven suspension design with great angles for going down
-Devinci Dixon - few of my friends swear by these, not quite as DH friendly out the box as the Slash

- Dont know much about Yeti's, not to common around here.

that is what I ride, with the RS Reverb seatpost its 30.4lb

for a more FR / DH setup you want a Fox 36 Float lowered to 150mm which gives a 66 degree HA, a 50mm stem and wide bars, dropper seatpost and big volume aggressive tires with a tubeless setup

and the icing on the cake is the Fox "volume adjustment kit" for the RP23 shock which maintains small bump sensitivity, whilst preventing easy bottom out, which is an issue with the stock Dixon shock tune for more aggressive riding
Posted by mfreeman72 at 02:14 PM on 11-15-2011
Thanks for the great review; as someone in the process of looking at a Slash 8 for 2012 this is very much helped inform my decision. There's a lot of great AM bikes out there, and it sounds like the Slash is very much a viable player.

Question to Connor: did you even use the Mino Link thingy on the Slash, or did you pretty much set it and forget it?
Posted by ibeaver at 02:43 PM on 11-15-2011
hohoho, happy huhu.
The mino - its a good idea in fact. I've a scratch now for about 3 months. It was a warranty replacement for a Remedy 9 2009 frame ( the last good year imho - it cracked at the head tube, on the inside ). the Scratch is a bit short on the top from having a steep seat angle. Gives pluses and minuses. You can climb like a goat (no matter who tells you not) but I found it a bit nervous specifically with the mino set to the high position (higher bb). I'm not sure if the nervousness is coming from the fact I'm ripping faster down the trails or that I was going slower with the older remedy... Also to add, when I did have it in the higher postion, steep technical rides had me feeling a bit more like I'm going to go over the bars, no matter how I put myself over the bike.

It does ride all day epics, and can handle most of the goods on the way down:D
Posted by ibeaver at 02:46 PM on 11-15-2011
Either way I think I would say Trek should fire the product manager for having three different bikes in three years for the same target user. Seems the Slash brings back the remedy angles and addresses the frame issues from 2009 and addresses the short feeling of the Scratch. Damn pity I got a warranty a couple months before this new frame was announced... :deadhorse:
Posted by myarmisonfire at 06:36 PM on 11-15-2011
Why is Talas wrong several times in the article?
Posted by cam@nsmb.com at 10:57 PM on 11-15-2011
Quote:

Originally Posted by myarmisonfire (Post 2589012)
Why is Talas wrong several times in the article?

My apologies - missed it editing too late at night.
Posted by spotter at 07:33 PM on 11-16-2011
I've got this bike. Unfortunately due to long term injury I've put a lot less time on it than I hoped to this year.

In the time I have spent on the bike, I can say that it is easily the best FS bike I have ridden. It's light, goes up well, descends better. I have ridden DRCV and I prefer the ramp up of the large volume RP23. Don't get me wrong, DRCV does exactly what it advertises, this is just my taste.

I keep believing I own a freeride bike, because of how it descends, but then I put it on the scale... I have done full XC days on it and no complaints... well, one: I sold the dropper post because I hated it (not the idea, just the function of the CB post) and have needed it numerous times. But of course there's no one to blame but myself.

Am I concerned about the chainstay? Not really. Chainstays are a dime a dozen (not literally, of course).

This is my 'one bike.' Now if only I could throw on a set of 29'ers for XC rides...
Posted by Guest at 04:16 PM on 11-28-2011
As a fellow tall rider (6'-3" as well) i was curious as to what size Slash you were testing and what you thought of the sizing compared to the Scratch.
Posted by Guest at 10:42 PM on 02-20-2012
When I bought I looked at the Scratch, Ibis HD, and the Nomad. I ended up with the Giant Reign XO. Decent weight, great angles, DHX5 Air, and Maxel. 2011 has the re-designed lower link and so far, no problems. I can honestly say I have ridden the bike beyond what it was designed for and it's been an great performer. 23 mile trek one day and 8' drops the next. You'll want to change out the the 180 up front however. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by Guest at 02:11 AM on 03-19-2012
Funny how some folks could break this and that, blame the manufacturers for their lack of quality blah-blah but FAILED to take a closer look at themselves.

If you are 6.3', 200 pounds and beyond, rides like no tomorrow... then stay away from carbon or AM bikes... sure some of them can take a lot of beating but if you don't choose you line and lands it like a DH bike, of course they will fail. Connor broke the CS because he is TESTING the bike, putting it through its limits, do you ride like Connor? If you don't, rest assured the CS will hold. Further more, Trek addressed the problem with the new Slash... what more do you want? Cherry on top? Oh btw... loose a few Kilo while you're at it, it'll help you save your money by not breaking your bikes.